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[Denu-devel] Denu's Status

From: Shux/Tannewt <shu...@co...> - 2005-08-26 07:41:33

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Just wanted to send out a quick status report.  I just recently
started to continue work on 3.x and now those changes are in
subversion.  If you are still interested in Denu, I suggest you check
out the berlios subversion repository 3.x is leaps and bounds ahead of
2.x already.  3.x mainly features a better interface with drag and
drop support along with (hopefully) more manageable code.  I'm
currently looking for people to write window manager modules, test
denu on other distros besides Gentoo, write documentation and maintain
the evergrowing denu central database.  All of these positions require
dedication and flexibility because Denu is still in constant change.
Thanks,
Scott
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[Denu-devel] Status, Senioritis

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-05-31 05:48:58

Hello everyone I just felt its time for an update.

Today I added two new people to denu.  Hopefully they will help get
things done.  I've come down with a bad case of senioritis.  The
symptoms include not doing calculus homework, denu work or work work
(that I get paid for).  I have three weeks until graduation.  Thats 13
school days.  No I'm not counting.  :-|  Anywho, denu is going to start
coming along, I can feel it.  I'm going to focus on storing custom
entries.  Shachaf will be working on the config system and dasdodge will
be working on window modules.

Matt are you there?  Are you still available to do the gnome and KDE
modules?

Alright lets jump start the discussion.

~Scott

[Denu-devel] Denu 3.x Status

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-05-02 06:05:27

Hello Ladies and Gents,
I spent all day chugging along on 3.x and its come to a mildly useful
state.  The fluxbox import/export functions are working.  This also
means that those of you interested in writing Window Modules can go to
it.  Many things will change but that will be mostly configuration based
stuff.  Also, another feature I want to implement is svg based menus. 
Denu will then take an svg and convert it as necessary.  I think this
will allow for the best icons because they will be converted to the
correct size.
Check out revision 20 in the subversion repository,
Scott

[Denu-devel] Re: Fw: cross wm-menu managing

From: Scott <sco...@co...> - 2005-04-26 14:58:56

Niklas Paro wrote:

>Begin forwarded message:
>
>Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:35:20 +0300
>From: nicke <hi...@el...>
>To: Matt Kynaston <ma...@gm...>, <den...@li...>
>Subject: Re: cross wm-menu managing
>
>
>Hello
>
>What a coincidence, I actually planned calling my program DMenu, or
>DMenus... And no, I don't mind your CC-ing, however, Denu doesn't either
>seem to be the kind of project that I searched for. What I planned was
>this:
>
>* Provide some sort of a default system-wide applications.menu file
>which include all possible categories.
>
>* Generate menus with a simple command, that can be included for example
>in .xinit, so that users always will have up-to-date menus.
>  
>
I see.  Thats what the original denu basically did.  The 0.x and 1.x
series.  With 2.x a gui was introduced.

>As I understand it, you want to create a gui program to manipulate
>applications.menu files, which of course also is needed. The thing is, I
>do not feel a need for a gui.
>  
>
With denu 3.x I am writing a separate library which you could use.  Its
almost finished.  It to will include (I haven't written it yet.) an
autofill function as I call it.  Yes, my aims are for writing a gui but
the library can be used for anything.

>About the name... this is the primary reason i forward this mail to the
>Denu mailing-list; what do you think, would it be okay that I call my
>program DMenu (for Desktop Menu), or should I come up with something
>different? There is a chance that people would mix the names...
>
>Kindly answer directly to this my email when you have come to a
>conclusion, as I'm not registered.
>
>  
>
With regards to your other email, denu 3.x has no dependency on
portage.  It does lean towards gentoo because thats what it is developed
on, but with 3.x portage dependency will not be a factor.  Regarding the
name I think it would cause confusion but if thats what you wish to name
it, name it that.  The name denu stems from a combonation of "dipper",
denu's original name, and "menu".
Good luck,
Scott

[Denu-devel] Re: cross wm-menu managing

From: Matt K. <ma...@gm...> - 2005-04-25 12:00:36

Hi Niklas,

I'm still working on the pyxdg editor - it basically works, but I'm
getting pretty bogged down with other stuff, and the pyxdg author is
in a similar position and hasn't committed my changes. But I'm always
happy to share code :D

My aim is to integrate it with Denu, another cross-wm menu editor:
Denu's actively looking for contributors right now - hope you don't
mind me CC-ing this to their list.

Matt

On 4/25/05, Niklas Paro <hi...@el...> wrote:
> Hello!
>=20
> I've been thinking about developing a cross wm menu managing tool.
> I have a fairly simple tool already using pyxdg to create fvwm menus
> from the desktop entries. As I read this mail:
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2005-March/006247.html ,
> I figured we could do a coordinated effort. I'm at least interesting in
> contributing if you already have something going. If you're interested
> I can mail you what I have got so far.
>=20
> regards,
>=20
> Niklas Paro
> --
>   Niklas Paro
>   hi...@el...
>=20
>

[Denu-devel] 3.x files

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-04-15 06:43:03

Attachments: denu_design_doc libDenu.py mockup.xml

Attached are the beginnings on denu 3.x .  It includes a mockup, general
function/variable list and the beginnings of libDenu.py .  Check them out.
~Scott

[Denu-devel] Want in on 3.x? Want to code?

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-04-14 22:57:55

Alright, I'm about to embark on the writing of 3.x .  If you'd like to
help with the writing please email me and we'll set up a berios svn account.
Thanks,
Scott

Re: [Denu-devel] 3.x planning.

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-04-14 22:56:39

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Matt Kynaston wrote:
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  <pre wrap="">Hi all,

Many apologies for the silence - brand new day job is interfering
badly, and I've just signed next weekend away doing work on my
brother's boat... great for adding to my sailing credit for later in
the season, bad for contributing to Denu :(

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I'm just glad you are still interested.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid...@ma..."
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  <pre wrap="">But... my pyxdg stuff is ready to roll. Well, at least in a state
where I can start working it into a denu WM class for import and
export functionality. But this can only be written once the format for
storing denu menus is nailed down.
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I'm working on that.<br>
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    <pre wrap="">libDenu - Deals with XML manipulation and import export.
        Functions:
    </pre>
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  <pre wrap=""><!---->
&lt;snip&gt;

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    <pre wrap="">                import
                export
    </pre>
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Are there still going to be separate classes for each WM? If so, these
should just call the import and export methods of the given WM class,
passing the denu menu.
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Yes, the import export functions in libDenu are wrappers from the wm
specific functions.<br>
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With xdg, it's going to be a little weird (hey, everything with xdg is
a little weird ;)... most stuff is designed to work by making changes
from a 'base' or system menu. That said, there's nothing to prevent us
from creating the menu from scratch and completely overriding the
system menu - you just don't bother to merge it. But I've got a
feeling that a little bit of magic will be needed to help it decide
which route to go...

I'd still like to do that part of it, but have a lot less time now.
The steps forward I see for getting my xdg stuff in are:
   1. iron out the format libDenu stores the menu in (if XML, tags for
menus, apps, etc)
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I'm should have this nailed down by next week.&nbsp; That is my number one
priority at the moment.&nbsp; I need to play with pyxml first.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid...@ma..."
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  <pre wrap="">   2. create base WM class
  </pre>
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Base class?&nbsp; Or generic model?<br>
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  <pre wrap="">   3. create xdg WM class
(as always, these are suggestions, not dictact)
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Yup, cool.&nbsp; I'd love it if you would do the xdg module.&nbsp; I can handle
the smaller WMs.<br>
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Where can I best help with the time I've got? Should I put together a
basic XML format for the denu menus that we can build on?
  </pre>
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I think that you can best help with brainstorming both on the storage
front but also in transference over the web.&nbsp; Also, brainstorm for the
gui.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid...@ma..."
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  <pre wrap="">
Matt

BTW, ran into (YA)GME over at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.realistanew.com/">http://www.realistanew.com/</a>
Focusses mostly on editing the app files themselves. Uses pyxdg for
parsing. Nowhere near as ambitious as Denu, but mentioned lots on the
Ubuntu forums and worth checking out

  </pre>
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Yeah, no worries.&nbsp; Denu is the swiss army knife.<br>
~Scott<br>
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Re: [Denu-devel] 3.x planning.

From: Matt K. <ma...@gm...> - 2005-04-14 22:03:18

Hi all,

Many apologies for the silence - brand new day job is interfering
badly, and I've just signed next weekend away doing work on my
brother's boat... great for adding to my sailing credit for later in
the season, bad for contributing to Denu :(

But... my pyxdg stuff is ready to roll. Well, at least in a state
where I can start working it into a denu WM class for import and
export functionality. But this can only be written once the format for
storing denu menus is nailed down.

> libDenu - Deals with XML manipulation and import export.
>         Functions:

<snip>

>                 import
>                 export

Are there still going to be separate classes for each WM? If so, these
should just call the import and export methods of the given WM class,
passing the denu menu.

With xdg, it's going to be a little weird (hey, everything with xdg is
a little weird ;)... most stuff is designed to work by making changes
from a 'base' or system menu. That said, there's nothing to prevent us
from creating the menu from scratch and completely overriding the
system menu - you just don't bother to merge it. But I've got a
feeling that a little bit of magic will be needed to help it decide
which route to go...

I'd still like to do that part of it, but have a lot less time now.
The steps forward I see for getting my xdg stuff in are:
   1. iron out the format libDenu stores the menu in (if XML, tags for
menus, apps, etc)
   2. create base WM class
   3. create xdg WM class
(as always, these are suggestions, not dictact)

Where can I best help with the time I've got? Should I put together a
basic XML format for the denu menus that we can build on?

Matt

BTW, ran into (YA)GME over at: http://www.realistanew.com/
Focusses mostly on editing the app files themselves. Uses pyxdg for
parsing. Nowhere near as ambitious as Denu, but mentioned lots on the
Ubuntu forums and worth checking out

[Denu-devel] 3.x planning.

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-04-13 06:13:44

Attachments: denu_design_doc

Attatched is my current design doc.  My goal with 3.x is to promote
cleanliness and efficincy through efficient code.  Hopefully many
redundancies will drop.   As you can also see I am splitting it into a
back and front end.
~Scott

Re: [Denu-devel] [Fwd: Denu 3.x Planned Classes and Functions]

From: Matt K. <ma...@gm...> - 2005-04-04 11:43:14

I'm confused! Which list should I be replying to?

Matt

On Apr 3, 2005 2:35 AM, Scott Shawcroft <shu...@co...> wrote:
>  
>  
>  -------- Original Message -------- 
>  Subject: Denu 3.x Planned Classes and Functions 
>  Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 10:11:45 -0800 
>  From: Scott Shawcroft <shu...@co...> 
>  To: denu-devel <den...@li...> 
>  
>  Here is a copy of what I came up with last night.
> 
> _*libDenu*_ - Deals with XML manipulation and import export.
> editEntry
> viewEntry
> addEntry
> deleteEntry
> addSpecial
> addFolder
> save
> open
> autoFill
> update
> sysupdate
> saveEntry
> saveSpecial
> moveEntry
> import
> export
> getWM
> getInstalledWMs
> backup
> 
> *_denuGUI_*
> pixmap-manager
> initialize
> closeWindow
> closeDenu
> about
> loadConfig
> saveConfig
> openWindow
> (More needed in here)
> *_
> denu-wm_* - wm replaced with name of window manager name.
> import
> export
> getVersion
> 
> Here are some goals for 3.x:
> Document all...
>  functions
>  classes
>  variables
> Friendly GUI
> command-line interface ?
> modular
> tooltips
> help section
> documentation
> simple interface
> user levels?
>  -Beginner
>  -Intermediate
>  -Advanced
> 
> Please keep this list intact. Add stuff if necessary and and
> comments/questions to the bottom of the list.
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
> 
> 
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[Denu-devel] [Fwd: Denu 3.x Planned Classes and Functions]

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-04-03 01:35:27

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<pre>Here is a copy of what I came up with last night.

_*libDenu*_ - Deals with XML manipulation and import export.
editEntry
viewEntry
addEntry
deleteEntry
addSpecial
addFolder
save
open
autoFill
update
sysupdate
saveEntry
saveSpecial
moveEntry
import
export
getWM
getInstalledWMs
backup

*_denuGUI_*
pixmap-manager
initialize
closeWindow
closeDenu
about
loadConfig
saveConfig
openWindow
(More needed in here)
*_
denu-wm_* - wm replaced with name of window manager name.
import
export
getVersion

Here are some goals for 3.x:
Document all...
    functions
    classes
    variables
Friendly GUI
command-line interface ?
modular
tooltips
help section
documentation
simple interface
user levels?
    -Beginner
    -Intermediate
    -Advanced

Please keep this list intact.  Add stuff if necessary and and
comments/questions to the bottom of the list.

Thanks,
Scott


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[Fwd: Re: [Denu-devel] Other Gnome 2.10 menu project and personal update.]

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-04-03 01:35:15

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      <th align="right" nowrap="nowrap" valign="baseline">CC: </th>
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<pre>On Apr 1, 2005 1:08 AM, Scott Shawcroft <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:shu...@co...">&lt;shu...@co...&gt;</a> wrote:
&gt; Here is a link to a new editor for gnome 2.10.  Its more similar to a
&gt; menu editor such as kmenuedit.  Denu is still in its own league.  Check
&gt; it out here, <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67">http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67</a> .

Yah - I did an ebuild for the 0.1 version a while back, but haven't checked 0.2:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85019">http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85019</a>

&gt; As of denu 3.x development its in the back of my mind and I have to
&gt; leave it there.  I have an English paper due on Tuesday and then I go to
&gt; Southern California on a choir trip.

OK, I'll do my best to get the promised WM classes across this
weekend. It's been fairly hectic for me since Easter :(

&gt; It is also going to include server-side changes to an xml
&gt; format for the database also.  If you guys have any ideas on this data
&gt; transfer let me know.

How do the updates work currently on the server side?

Matt
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[Fwd: [Denu-devel] Other Gnome 2.10 menu project and personal update.]

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-04-03 01:35:15

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<pre>Here is a link to a new editor for gnome 2.10.  Its more similar to a
menu editor such as kmenuedit.  Denu is still in its own league.  Check
it out here, <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67">http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67</a> .

As of denu 3.x development its in the back of my mind and I have to
leave it there.  I have an English paper due on Tuesday and then I go to
Southern California on a choir trip.  My goal is to get the gui set and
the classes and variables etc. defined and then go in and code the
functions.  It is also going to include server-side changes to an xml
format for the database also.  If you guys have any ideas on this data
transfer let me know.
Thanks,
Scott
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[Fwd: [Denu-devel] denu 3.x idea]

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-04-03 01:35:13

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<pre>I just had an idea.  (Love it when I do.)  I was just adding two 
programs to my menu and I was think of how adding an entry should be 
done and where it placed in the menu structure.  I was thinking that it 
would be cool to have an option where denu would put an entry in a 
default folder.  A guess if you will.  It would guess within reason 
where to put the entry within the existing structure.  That would only 
be an option.  Another option would be like it is now and a third would 
be some sort of drag and drop capability.  I'll have to look into it in 
more detail.  Thats just a random set of ideas.
~Scott
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[Fwd: [Denu-devel] Two more things...]

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-04-03 01:33:11

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<pre>I've just had two more ideas.  In denu we need to have tips that display
on mouseovers.  (Forgot the name.)  And we also need to include a tips
and tricks at the start up of denu.  Also, now that my brains going,
automatically filling the installed side of things upon initial install
should save some confusion.
Those are my random thoughts.
~Scott
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[Fwd: Re: [Denu-devel] Internal Format]

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-04-03 01:33:01

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<pre>On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:45:26 -0800, Scott Shawcroft
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&gt; Matt,
&gt; How do we want to store the menu within denu.  Should we store it
&gt; similar to it is now?  Should we keep two concurrent versions, one XML
&gt; one for the treeestore?  I think import/exporting to XML will work.

No? Any particular reason?

Like I tried to say before, the problem with the current TreeStore is
that it I don't see think it will be very flexible when it comes to
handling variable amounts of data. You've basically got a structure
something like at table (sorry for the bad ascii art):

+-------------------------------+--------+--------------+-----------+------------+

| Icon                          | Name   | Executable   | Comment   |
Name[es]   |
+-------------------------------+--------+--------------+-----------+------------+
| /usr/share/pixmaps/folder.svg | Apps   |              |           | 
          |
+-------------------------------+--------+--------------+-----------+------------+

| /usr/share/pixmaps/app.svg    | My App | /usr/bin/app | Nice prog |
Hola mundo |
+-------------------------------+--------+--------------+-----------+------------+

If you want to add a Name[de] column (or anything else) every item in
the table has to be expanded.

With hierarchical structures, you don't have that problem. In XML, the
above could look something like:

&lt;menu name="Apps"&gt;
  &lt;app name="My App" executable="/usr/bin/app"&gt;
    &lt;icon&gt;/usr/share/pixmaps/app.svg&lt;/icon&gt;
    &lt;comment&gt;Nice prog&lt;/comment&gt;
    &lt;name xml:lang="es"&gt;Hola Mundo&lt;/name&gt;
  &lt;/app&gt;
  &lt;menu name="Submenu"&gt;
     &lt;!-- more stuff --&gt;
  &lt;/menu&gt;
&lt;/menu&gt;

You can just keep adding stuff inside the &lt;menu&gt; and &lt;app&gt; tags
without breaking the original structure.

You could also do the same thing with objects:

class Menu:
    parent = None
    name = ''
    icon = ''
    apps = []
    submenus = []

class App:
    parent = None
    name = ''
    icon = ''
    comment = ''
    name_loc = []

mymenu = Menu()
mymenu.name = 'Apps'
mymenu.icon = '/usr/share/pixmaps/folder.svg'

myapp = App()
myapp.name = 'My App'
myapp.icon = '/usr/share/pixmaps'
myapp.comment = 'Nice prog'
myapp.name_loc['es'] = 'Hola mundo'
myapp.parent = mymenu

mymenu.children.append(myapp)

In many ways, the XML and object approach are identical, since python
converts the XML to a tree of objects when it's parsed. The only
practical difference is that one would be stored as a human-readable
text file, the other as not-so-readable cPickle object.

Anyway, sun is shining and I'm off down to my brother's boat for the
first sail of the season :) I'd hoped to finally get the pyxdg stuff
out the door before I left. It's nearly there, but every time I turn
around it bites me somewhere new :| Back Tues.

Happy Easter!

Matt
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[Fwd: [Denu-devel] Internal Format]

From: Scott S. <shu...@co...> - 2005-04-03 01:32:39

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<pre>Matt,
How do we want to store the menu within denu.  Should we store it
similar to it is now?  Should we keep two concurrent versions, one XML
one for the treeestore?  I think import/exporting to XML will work. 
Similar to it is now.  Do you think that any methods on updating the
database and its client side files would be better?  All of these issues
need to be discussed before the core can be created.
~Scott
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