Re: [Chiba-users] integrating chiba with jboss seam

[Joern T. <joe...@go...>]

>
> Would you explain why it wasn't for you and what you exactly mean by
> '(still)' ? ;)
>
> Joern
>
>
> It depends on context ofcource... :-)
yes - i can underline that ;)

>
> I am working as a consultant, and most work (for me) includes relational
> databases and web frontends, (complex) business rules and system
> integration.
> Seam is one of the better Java EE frameworks in this context for server side
> java technology.
> If you start from a relational database you can generate a fully functional
> CRUD GUI for your related entities in under 60 seconds, ... nice fully
> functional working code :-)
one for you

>
> I had high hopes for XForms 5 years back ... I even implemented a fully
> functional product catalog editor and publication system (using
> XForms/Chiba, Cocoon/Forrest, XCBL schema).
> I was hoping (nearly certain) XForms soon would be supported in browsers,
> and that serverside Java frameworks would pick up and use
> XSD/XML/XForms/XHTML2 etc. and that tools would be able to generate good
> CRUD GUIs based on these technologies. These hopes have not been fulfilled.
i can't object that - though i never had the 'hope' that XForms would
become widely supported in browsers natively (the IE catch) in the
foreseeable future.

Some things - like Malt whisky - take longer ;) but are nevertheless
good. XForms has made a tremendous step forward with 1.1 and the WG is
as active and motivated without even giving it a break after
successful rollout of 1.1.

Same is true for the implementations that are *now* starting to leave
childhood behind and support complex requirements. We shouldn't forget
that good form frameworks are awfully hard to specify and to develop
as you can see by all the failed projects that put this on their
agenda and followed their own way. Often this ended deep in the woods.


> Lack of good recipies and tutorials for Java backend with XForms frontend
> have not helped either (when was Chiba cookbook last updated?)
Think Ronald mentioned it - For long years we've driven Chiba with a
minimal team of often only 2 core people. We concentrated on the
software and let others write the tutorials. You'll find a lot of
these on the internet. In the meantime our team has grown a bit and
there are improvements on the way.
>
> I still think XForms is a good standard, and I would have liked to see Java
> web frameworks using it :-)
Me too of course.

>
> So, I am looking forward to see the code integrating Chiba and Seam ...
> maybe I can use it, maybe I can STILL use XForms!! :-)
Wouldn't that be great ? ;)

I'm happy to help.

Joern
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