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Re: [Celestia-developers] Wikibook Qt entry modified
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From: Fridger S. <fri...@de...> - 2012-03-27 20:39:45
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Selden, On 03/27/2012 08:34 PM, Selden E Ball Jr wrote: > Fridger, > > According to the Wiki book entry about VS10, one has to make several > changes to files in order to get VS2010 to work with the svn files. > One cannot simply download the svn code and invoke the compiler > as is possible with vs2008. If that is not true, please update > the Wikibook page appropriately. > > http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Celestia/Development/Win32_platform First +Third point: modification of a couple of directory macros. This is straightforward, takes a few minutes and is due to the fact that we want the celestia executable located in the celestia root dir rather than in Release/ or Debug/ (the standard MS convention). Without the obvious adaptation of macros, running Celestia.exe from the IDE with CTRL+F5 fails, but starting Celestia via WE still works. Here are my settings that work without complaints: I compile with F7 and run with CTRL+F5 from the IDE. General property: Output Directory: $(SolutionDir) Intermediate Dir: $(Configuration)\ Target Name : $(ProjectName) Debugging property: Command : $(TargetPath) Command Arguments: Working Directory : $(ProjectDir) Second point: I have no problems with the static Windows libs from SVN. Besides the full VS 2010 installation, I have the redistributables for VS 2005 and VS 2008 installed, for running various applications that need them (e.g. Maple, Matlab,...). That's easy to do if required. Furthermore, I just checked with the familiar 'depend' tool which modules are linked into my VS 2010 celestia.exe. I only found msvcp100.dll no earlier versions. Note that there are various incompatible library sets around! I am always referring to the latest set committed by Chris to SVN about 2 years ago. Moreover Andrew now has compiled a new set with VS 2010. I have tested it a few days ago. His new set works as well as the present SVN set. > Please don't forget that people now expect the Wikibook to > contain the appropriate documentation. Right. Unfortunately, significant parts of what you wrote into Wiki during the past days are misleading | incorrect. It would be better to gain some practical experience with the matter before updating the Wiki book ... > My understanding from reading Nokia's Qt download page is that the > amsll download is just an installer. It then provides a menu of > many options, which potentially consist of many hundreds of megabytes > of dditional downloads. The binary archive I was referring to has 53 MB and the Qt Creator suite (I checked once more!) has 137 MB after unpacking and installation. That is the usual size factor of ~ 2.5 in zip archives. And THAT is PEANUTS. I assure you that the start-up time is no longer than that of e.g. firefox 11.0 which is typically 2-4 seconds. Your statement in Wiki of Qt Creator using /90 secs/ start-up time is misleading and incorrect. Just download that binary Qt Creator archive yourself and you will see that it only takes < 1 minute. You can't do any harm without installing it. I quote from Nokia http://qt.nokia.com/downloads >>The source code is available as a zip <http://get.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator/qt-creator-2.4.1-src.zip> (31 MB) or a tar.gz <http://get.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator/qt-creator-2.4.1-src.tar.gz> (25 MB). Obviously, if the zip sources are only 31MB, how can the installed program be 5 GB (!) as you claimed previously?? > They also provide an ISO which seems to be only for Desktop development > which is more than a GB, and which still needs updates to bring it up > to the current version. I wasted several days trying to update the > (somewhat older) version that I had. Because you mistrusted my long experience...;-) > I was never able to reproduce the performance you described > and am much too frustrated with it to be willing to spend more > days trying -- especially since I have something now > which works fine for my purposes. (Except for Symantec's false > positive. In addition to reporting it to our local support channel, > I used a reporting page on Symantec's Web site. I suspect neither > will result in a fix in the near term, though. In the meantime, I have > selected SEP's "exclude" option which allows Celestia-qt4 to run.) Note that problem is a rather general one related to SONAR scans. There are NO definite virus signatures to hunt for in this case. Hence many more false positives occur. Fridger > s. > >> Selden, >> On 03/27/2012 07:06 PM, Selden E Ball Jr wrote: >>> Fridger, >>> >>> I'll be glad to update the Wiki page when the files in >>> Celestia's svn repository actually support vs2010. >> I am regularly compiling SVN with VS 2010 since ONE year without ever >> encountering any version specific problems. (I also have VS 2008 SP1 >> installed on XP . This allows me to cross-check with VS 2008 any time). >> A few days ago Andrew has also succeeded to compile Celestia.SVN and >> the external libs in windows/ with VS 2010. What else do you want? >>> (Personally, given the likely release schedule for the next >>> version of Celestia, it seems to me to be more appropriate to update >>> to VS11, even though it's still in beta. VS11 and Win8 both will be >>> shipping this autumn. Betas for both are available for free now.) >> It is an old rule of experience that one better awaits the SP1 release >> with any version by MS. >>> I'm only willing to document what happened when I tried to use the tools. >>> If your experiences are different, please feel free to update the >>> Wikibook appropriately so that others will be able to reproduce your >>> results. >> As I am writing repeatedly, I have documented my results a long time ago >> in shatters.net already >> (e.g. in the Qt thread) >>> while Qt Creator seems to provide significant help for those who prefer >>> GUI interfaces, I personally find its size (more than 1 GB of initial >>> download, more than 5GB when installed, plus many hours to update it) >>> unnecessary for someone who is only interested in bullding from svn. >> Wait a second! >> According to NOKIA, the /binary/ Qt Creator 2.4.1 download for Windows, >> http://qt.nokia.com/downloads/qt-creator-binary-for-windows >> has a size of 53 MB only. It downloads in ~ 30 SECONDS on my machines. >> It installs in a VERY short time and only takes 2-4 seconds to start! >> When I read your strange remarks about Qt Creator it sounds as if I was >> constantly lying to you ;-) >> Fridger >>> s. >>> >>> >>>> Selden >>>> On 03/27/2012 06:18 PM, Selden E Ball Jr wrote: >>>>> I've added a section about using qmake from the Windows command line. >>>>> >>>>> (After managing to get the Qt SDK in a state where it did not build >>>>> any runnable executables, I deleted it entirely and started over.) >>>>> >>>>> s. >>>> So at least you seem to agree now that my repeatedly recommended way of >>>> ONLY installing the Qt-libs is much more efficient compared to >>>> installing the huge QtSDK. I really don't understand why in your new >>>> Wiki entry you recommended people to install the old VS 2008 (not even >>>> emphasizing the importance of SP1!) instead of the current and >>>> well-working VS 2010. Once more: unlike VS 2008, the VS 2010 Express SP1 >>>> allows for clean 64 bit compilation! >>>> I suppose you read in the recent discussions between Andrew and myself >>>> that we are planning to update the whole SVN build process for Windows >>>> to the VS 2010 level. Since building with VS 2010 works perfectly at >>>> least since ONE year already, there is little reason, indeed, to suggest >>>> users to install the old VS 2008 at this time. >>>> Moreover, your Wiki remarks about Qt Creator really distort its >>>> tremendous usefulness. Of course, I don't know what you expect your >>>> readers to do with the installed Qt building environment. But I can >>>> assure you that in regular coding work (as I or Chris are involved >>>> with), Qt Creator offers tremendous conveniences! The editor of Qt >>>> Creator is great and has such features like switching between header and >>>> source files with a click, storing a list of files that are being worked >>>> on, locating errors/warnings with a click in the code, finding the >>>> definitions of classes and methods with a click, activating a debugger etc. >>>> And it works the same on ALL platforms, performing practically all >>>> required configuration automatically or at worst with a couple of clicks! >>>> Fridger >>>> PS: Just read your problems with Comodo Internet Security. This is a >>>> familiar effect with most antivirus suites offering /dynamic/ features >>>> (SONAR scans!). I had the same with many newly generated executables in >>>> Norton's IS 2011. This is nothing to worry about, since the freshly >>>> generated executables are usually unknown to the antivirus software, >>>> hence => quarantine. Just go to the config of your virus software and >>>> enter the respective file names or subdir in the exceptions dialog. >>>> Here is one of many links that complaint about false alarm >>>> http://community.distributed-monkey-engine.com/vanilla/index.php?p=/discussion/20/false-symantec-endpoint-protection-12-warning-on-32-bit-windows-dme-for-vmware-pop/p1 >>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> This SF email is sponsosred by: >>>>> Try Windows Azure free for 90 days Click Here >>>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/sfd2d-msazure >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Celestia-developers mailing list >>>>> Cel...@li... >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/celestia-developers >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> This SF email is sponsosred by: >>> Try Windows Azure free for 90 days Click Here >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/sfd2d-msazure >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Celestia-developers mailing list >>> Cel...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/celestia-developers > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF email is sponsosred by: > Try Windows Azure free for 90 days Click Here > http://p.sf.net/sfu/sfd2d-msazure > _______________________________________________ > Celestia-developers mailing list > Cel...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/celestia-developers |