[ bzflag-Patches-452887 ] New Flag: SuperDrop (SD)

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Patches item #452887, was opened at 2001-08-19 03:28
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Status: Open
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Priority: 5
Submitted By: Dave Brosius (dbrosius)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: New Flag: SuperDrop (SD)

Initial Comment:
In my opinion, every powerful flag should have also 
have a handicap. GM and L, to me, are to powerful, 
without limitations. Sure there's CL and ST, but I'd 
like to even the score a little.

This new flag will strike fear in the hears of GM and 
L tanks. These tanks, won't dare shoot at you, will 
probably run from you, and may even turn into the 
hired muscle, fighting YOUR enemy tanks for you. This 
new flag thus is very powerful. To compensate, the low 
budget tanks, tanks with lesser flags, and especially 
those with none at all, will find you a tasty morsel.
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It's simple.

The SuperDrop flag when grabbed, does not change your 
tank's characteristics at all. However, when you drop 
it (either serendipidously, or when blowed up) causes 
all tanks (both friend and foe {and yourself}) to also 
unwillingly drop their flags. All of these flags are 
sucked up into the ether.

Sure you can always just drop the flag, but I think 
the real power is in carrying the thing around, 
chasing down L and GM tanks.

Client and server change

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>Comment By: Dave Brosius (dbrosius)
Date: 2001-08-20 18:40

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Ok, I updated the code so that the superdrop action ONLY 
happens if you get blowed up with the flag. Just dropping 
it does not do anything.

Now there is no incentive to casually cause everyone to 
lose their flags. Hopefully this alleviate some fears that 
it is too powerful. Remember, that the player 
really 'gains' no advantage, he just loses his 
disadvantage. 

Posted (v2)

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Comment By: Dave Brosius (dbrosius)
Date: 2001-08-20 14:23

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I disagree. If I've got 
V, A, F, MG, ST, CL, IB, T, N, SH, SR, PZ, G, ID or any of 
the bad flags, I don't really care that much if I lose my 
flag. Especially if I'm having the snot beat out of me by a 
GM or L player. If I can just blow up this tank that 
holding the SuperDrop Flag, I can ease my pain. There's 
hugh incentive for the lesser flag tanks to kill the 
SuperDrop kid, making his life not easy! SD in an odd way 
becomes at the same time friend and foe of the power flag 
tanks.

The only flags where I'd be really upset would be Laser, 
GM, and maybe Shockwave. I can life with these primadonna's 
being upset. :)

Plus if I drop the SuperDrop flag at the wrong time, my 
teammates may not be particularly happy with me. Makes for 
good theater.

It's sort of analogous to genocide, only in a much more 
pacifistic way.

While you can make players drop flags, there's no easy way 
to 'steal' their flags, as the flags will reappear at 
random.

I suppose I could live with Colin's suggestion if we had 
too (only L and GM are effected), but i'd recommend playing 
with it as is for awhile. I think you'd see the life as a 
SD tank isn't all sweetness and light.


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Comment By: Tim Riker (timriker)
Date: 2001-08-20 14:09

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I'd suggest the person that shot you looses their flag.

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Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Date: 2001-08-20 14:03

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This is a problem... it's way too freakishly powerful (many
would say, more powerful than the flags it's supposed to
protect against).  You can run around committing suicide and
robbing everyone else of their flags.  There's no point in
chasing down the ultra-powerful tanks because they won't
fight back, making this quite a cheap flag to have.  At
least with L and GM, people try to kill you, but with SD,
people with flags won't dare.

Better would be a reduced-scope SuperDrop that only makes
people with GMs and Ls to drop their flags.

--Colin

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