Re: [Boa Constr] Some thoughts

[Ron A. <ron...@ne...>]

POYEN OP Olivier (DCL) wrote:
> Hi all,
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> Now that Riaan got that 0.4 version out, Boa is regaining lots of hype =
and lots of uses. Cool.
> Thanks for that, and also thanks for the upgrade tools.
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> Now that dust has settled a little bit, I just would like to open a thr=
ead about directions /upgrades that I (or other) would like to see in Boa=
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Hi,

just some notes from an end-user that backed away.

I need to build a commercial multi-platform multi-language
telephony application. Being an OSS fan, I looked into wxWidgets,
and while that looks pretty solid, I wanted a more RAD-type tool
because time is a precious resource for me.

Initially I bought wxDesigner, and that looked pretty good, but
soon I stumbled on all kinds of bumps in the road. I need i18n
and I thought using XML resources would be the way to go, but
using that turned out to be pretty undocumented, and I lacked the
time.
Then I started using code generation from wxDesigner and while
that seemed promising, i18n didn't work at all, because of some
code generation problem with gettext.

Then I stumbled onto Boa, and I followed the tutorial. It was
very OO in nature, that was a bit strange for me, but again
I could not find how to do i18n, apart from that it was very
slow (iBook 900MHz running linux), and it had a steep learning
curve for me.

So far I didn't get very far, so I put everything aside for a
little while.

Well to make a long story short, it's not all Boa's fault.
It's the fact that it takes soo long for wxWidgets to bring
out a new stable version, the lack of documentation for
wxPython, the lack of i18n. Maybe I just have to wait
for another year, and use something else in the mean time.
Oh well, just my $0.02

Thanks,
Ron


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> I think that Riaan has a precise idea of where if wants boa to go, but =
anyway, I wanted to throw some thoughts about what I want to /could do wi=
th boa and how I (we !) could do it:
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> 1) New Widget Plugin Tool:
> I really like the _custom_classes hack. And I used it quite often.=20
> But still, I think there should be some entry in the tools menu bar, ju=
st asking for a widget name and adding it into the User panel in the pale=
tte.=20
> I know I could try to understand what happens in the 'bctrl' folders.=20
> But each time, I fail.=20
> And I can't find from the archive of the mailing list precises intructi=
ons on what to do to simply add a new widget and have Boa guess all the p=
roperty about it.
> Maybe a wiki entry ?=20
> Maybe an entry in the tools menu asking for a location in sys.path for =
a widget ?
> I don't know, but that would be, I think, very useful.
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> 2) Reducing boilerplate
> The whole point of Boa'IDE is to write those lines of CODe you don't wa=
nt to write: ID, Binding, position, parent and size.
> But still, I find it quite verbose.=20
> The thing is , that, now that Boa supports smealessly wx.Sizer, it keep=
s size *and* position informations. IS it really necessary with sizer ?=20
> Couldn't we toggle between "verbose" source generation and "less verobs=
e" generation.
> Same idea for ID. For wxPython 2.4, ID where mandatory, and Boa was han=
dling them really well.
> But now, you can have an entire application without *any* ID.
> BTW: Sometimes ID's are , indeed, useful. Maybe toggling generation of =
ID ?=20
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> 3) py2exe integration: Boa helps us in creating a setup-file for py2exe=
, but could use information from the existing (or edited) applications to=
 produce a "better" py2exe, maybe even with InnoSetup integration. That's=
 something py2exe *already* provide in exemple. So using that would be qu=
ite easy. I think even I could give Boa the necessary stuff !=20
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> 4) Maybe Internationalisation one day (I'm still up for the French tran=
slation !)=20
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> Those changes would turn Boa into a more "project and release manager" =
IDE, I think.=20
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> Those are just some thoughts.=20
> I don't want to ask for the impossible and lurk.
> I'm really happy right now with Boa 0.4, and would be happy to contribu=
te stuff in.=20
> But Boa is Riaan' pet, and he should first state which evolutions he wa=
nts !
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> Bye ,
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> --OPQ
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