From: Thomas Eckardt/e. <Tho...@th...> - 2009-05-25 05:37:28
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Hi all, some countries, like Germany, have legal demands, that every company has to archive every received and sent email for up to 10 years. So my idea is, to write a V2 plugin (level 2) which stores the MIME content of every message (in,out - spam, ham) in the file system and holds an index of those messages in a database and/or sends every message to an existing archive system. The functionality should be as simple as possible. There is no plan to provide an archive client to accessing the archive - this could be done by others. Any comments and hints on this are welcome! Thomas DISCLAIMER: ******************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential, legally privileged and protected in law and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. This email was multiple times scanned for viruses. There should be no known virus in this email! ******************************************************* |
From: Doug L. <su...@dr...> - 2009-05-25 11:56:28
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Thomas Eckardt/eck wrote: > Hi all, > > some countries, like Germany, have legal demands, that every company has > to archive every received and sent email for up to 10 years. So my idea > is, to write a V2 plugin (level 2) which stores the MIME content of every > http://www.mailarchiva.com/ Doug -- Ben Franklin quote: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." |
From: Charles M. <CMarcus@Media-Brokers.com> - 2009-05-25 13:20:34
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On 5/25/2009, Doug Lytle (su...@dr...) wrote: >> some countries, like Germany, have legal demands, that every company has >> to archive every received and sent email for up to 10 years. So my idea >> is, to write a V2 plugin (level 2) which stores the MIME content of every > http://www.mailarchiva.com/ ? There are a lot of archiving solutions out there... I fail to see why you would post a naked link to one of them in response to Thomas' email. |
From: GrayHat <gr...@gm...> - 2009-05-25 14:06:57
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> some countries, like Germany, have legal demands, that every company has > to archive every received and sent email for up to 10 years. So my idea > is, to write a V2 plugin (level 2) which stores the MIME content of every > message (in,out - spam, ham) in the file system and holds an index of > those messages in a database and/or sends every message to an existing > archive system. The functionality should be as simple as possible. There > is no plan to provide an archive client to accessing the archive - this > could be done by others. Setup as option to allow assp to forward all messages (either spam or ham) to a given mailbox; at that point you may just setup a "fake/private" server to handle such emails and store them somewhere; fetching messages from such server and backing them up will allow you to do what you're asking for w/o changing ASSP too much and, at the same time, leaving an option for the ones NOT needing such a feature to "disable" it (or better said to NOT enable it :D) |
From: Scott H. <tal...@ne...> - 2009-05-25 21:28:02
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On May 25, 2009, at 6:40 AM, GrayHat wrote: > Setup as option to allow assp to forward all messages (either spam or > ham) > to a given mailbox; at that point you may just setup a "fake/private" > server > to handle such emails and store them somewhere; fetching messages from > such server and backing them up will allow you to do what you're > asking > for > w/o changing ASSP too much and, at the same time, leaving an option > for > the ones NOT needing such a feature to "disable" it (or better said to > NOT > enable it :D) I agree and support this idea in how I work my systems. My only change is I use a forward all to point to a IMAP account. You can then pick whatever schedule you want to archive the IMAP account so it is not getting to large. In all reality, all IMAP is going to care about with lots of messages is large inboxes, or large sent mails directories. You can simply rename the inbox and sent directories. The nice thing about this, is locating mails you may be requested to locate at a later time can be done either in the command line or a normal desktop MUA. -- Scott * If you contact me off list replace talklists@ with scott@ * |
From: Thomas Eckardt/e. <Tho...@th...> - 2009-05-27 10:01:31
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>w/o changing ASSP too much and, at the same time, leaving an option for >the ones NOT needing such a feature to "disable" it (or better said to >NOT enable it :D) I do not plan to make any changes in ASSP for that. It will be a Plugin (like OCR- and Attachment- Plugins). If it is installed and configured, it will do what it is designed for, if not - nothing will be done. Thomas "GrayHat" <gr...@gm...> 25.05.2009 16:09 Bitte antworten an GrayHat <gr...@gm...>; Bitte antworten an ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> An "ASSP development mailing list" <ass...@li...> Kopie Thema Re: [Assp-test] ASSP archive plugin > some countries, like Germany, have legal demands, that every company has > to archive every received and sent email for up to 10 years. So my idea > is, to write a V2 plugin (level 2) which stores the MIME content of every > message (in,out - spam, ham) in the file system and holds an index of > those messages in a database and/or sends every message to an existing > archive system. The functionality should be as simple as possible. There > is no plan to provide an archive client to accessing the archive - this > could be done by others. Setup as option to allow assp to forward all messages (either spam or ham) to a given mailbox; at that point you may just setup a "fake/private" server to handle such emails and store them somewhere; fetching messages from such server and backing them up will allow you to do what you're asking for w/o changing ASSP too much and, at the same time, leaving an option for the ones NOT needing such a feature to "disable" it (or better said to NOT enable it :D) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. Meet the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com _______________________________________________ Assp-test mailing list Ass...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-test DISCLAIMER: ******************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential, legally privileged and protected in law and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. This email was multiple times scanned for viruses. There should be no known virus in this email! ******************************************************* |
From: Doug L. <su...@dr...> - 2009-05-25 14:12:54
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Charles Marcus wrote: > ? There are a lot of archiving solutions out there... I fail to see why > you would post a naked link to one of them in response to Thomas' email. > > I thought it was rather obvious. ASSP isn't an archiver, it's a mail filter. Leave the archiving to a program that is designed to archive. And, it was one that I have experience with. Doug -- Ben Franklin quote: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." |
From: Charles M. <CMarcus@Media-Brokers.com> - 2009-05-25 14:36:13
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On 5/25/2009 9:32 AM, Doug Lytle wrote: >> ? There are a lot of archiving solutions out there... I fail to see why >> you would post a naked link to one of them in response to Thomas' email. > I thought it was rather obvious. Not... > ASSP isn't an archiver, it's a mail filter. v2 is shaping up to be much more than just that. As the single point of entry/exit, it is a good place to add such optional functionality. > Leave the archiving to a program that is designed to archive. Once ASSP is 'designed to archive', what will your statement mean? Unless you are one of those rigid 'one tool for one job' folks... Personally, I see nothing wrong with a tool being modified to do more than one job, as long as it doesn't negatively affect the original/other purpose/s of the tool. |
From: Doug L. <su...@dr...> - 2009-05-25 15:02:15
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Charles Marcus wrote: > v2 is shaping up to be much more than just that. As the single point of > entry/exit, it is a good place to add such optional functionality. > > For those of us that can run v2, maybe. >> Leave the archiving to a program that is designed to archive. >> > > Once ASSP is 'designed to archive', what will your statement mean? > It will mean that ASSP is no longer just a spam filter. > Unless you are one of those rigid 'one tool for one job' folks... > > I am not. But, ASSP has already gone beyond what it started out to be. To the point that it can take quite some time to figure out what it can do and where those options may be. Doug -- Ben Franklin quote: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." |
From: Thomas Eckardt/e. <Tho...@th...> - 2009-05-27 09:50:57
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>For those of us that can run v2, maybe. This will be available only in V2 because V1 does not and will never support Plugins. Thomas Doug Lytle <su...@dr...> 25.05.2009 17:04 Bitte antworten an ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> An ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> Kopie Thema Re: [Assp-test] ASSP archive plugin Charles Marcus wrote: > v2 is shaping up to be much more than just that. As the single point of > entry/exit, it is a good place to add such optional functionality. > > For those of us that can run v2, maybe. >> Leave the archiving to a program that is designed to archive. >> > > Once ASSP is 'designed to archive', what will your statement mean? > It will mean that ASSP is no longer just a spam filter. > Unless you are one of those rigid 'one tool for one job' folks... > > I am not. But, ASSP has already gone beyond what it started out to be. To the point that it can take quite some time to figure out what it can do and where those options may be. Doug -- Ben Franklin quote: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. Meet the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com _______________________________________________ Assp-test mailing list Ass...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-test DISCLAIMER: ******************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential, legally privileged and protected in law and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. This email was multiple times scanned for viruses. There should be no known virus in this email! ******************************************************* |
From: Thomas Eckardt/e. <Tho...@th...> - 2009-05-27 09:56:34
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>As the single point of entry/exit, it is a good place to add such optional functionality. This is the basic idea. We have all the messages in memory. It is quickly done to write a file and a DB-record. Thomas Charles Marcus <CMarcus@Media-Brokers.com> 25.05.2009 16:37 Bitte antworten an ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> An ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> Kopie Thema Re: [Assp-test] ASSP archive plugin On 5/25/2009 9:32 AM, Doug Lytle wrote: >> ? There are a lot of archiving solutions out there... I fail to see why >> you would post a naked link to one of them in response to Thomas' email. > I thought it was rather obvious. Not... > ASSP isn't an archiver, it's a mail filter. v2 is shaping up to be much more than just that. As the single point of entry/exit, it is a good place to add such optional functionality. > Leave the archiving to a program that is designed to archive. Once ASSP is 'designed to archive', what will your statement mean? Unless you are one of those rigid 'one tool for one job' folks... Personally, I see nothing wrong with a tool being modified to do more than one job, as long as it doesn't negatively affect the original/other purpose/s of the tool. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. Meet the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com _______________________________________________ Assp-test mailing list Ass...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-test DISCLAIMER: ******************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential, legally privileged and protected in law and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. This email was multiple times scanned for viruses. There should be no known virus in this email! ******************************************************* |
From: Fritz B. <fb...@iw...> - 2009-05-25 16:15:17
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>ASSP isn't an archiver, it's a mail filter ASSP2 is: Auxiliary Support & Service Proxy for SMTP |
From: Paul K. D. <pdi...@fr...> - 2009-05-27 15:09:03
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Not to mention working on superfluous code takes attention away from the point of the product, filtering spam. I'll take better filtering, in however small increments, than adding unneeded and features completely unrelated to avoiding spam. Also, this is recreating the wheel. There are tons of programs out there, some free, some commercial, that do this already. Not to mention have ties into the primary mail systems like Exchange or Notes which in turn makes those primary systems work much faster for any recent mail. And by tying into those primary systems archive 1 copy of the mail, not two. But I digress. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how having ASSP archive email is going to improve the spam filtering capabilities. It's unneeded and an waste of time IMHO. However, I'm not the one doing the coding so as long as I can shut it off, waste away! Cheers, Paul K. Dickson Systems Administrator Frederick County Government, IIT pdi...@fr... 301-600-2399/x12399 > From: Doug Lytle <su...@dr...> > Reply-To: ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> > Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:32:56 -0400 > To: ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> > Subject: Re: [Assp-test] ASSP archive plugin > > Charles Marcus wrote: >> ? There are a lot of archiving solutions out there... I fail to see why >> you would post a naked link to one of them in response to Thomas' email. >> >> > > I thought it was rather obvious. > > ASSP isn't an archiver, it's a mail filter. Leave the archiving to a > program that is designed to archive. And, it was one that I have > experience with. > > Doug > > > -- > Ben Franklin quote: > > "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary > Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT > is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. Meet > the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & > iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian > Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com > _______________________________________________ > Assp-test mailing list > Ass...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-test |
From: Tom S. <ts...@oi...> - 2009-05-27 23:53:00
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I am not a perl programmer but it would seem that http://fuzzyocr.own-hero.net/wiki/Installation-3.5.x might be adapted for assp use Tom |
From: Thomas Eckardt/e. <Tho...@th...> - 2009-05-28 06:49:05
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Tom, >I am not a perl programmer but it would seem that You'll not need any Perl skills to do this for ASSP - just take some time to write the instructions. Thomas Tom Shaw <ts...@oi...> 28.05.2009 01:55 Bitte antworten an ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> An ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> Kopie Thema [Assp-test] Idea 1.5.1.3 I am not a perl programmer but it would seem that http://fuzzyocr.own-hero.net/wiki/Installation-3.5.x might be adapted for assp use Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. Meet the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & iPhoneDevCamp as they present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://p.sf.net/sfu/creativitycat-com _______________________________________________ Assp-test mailing list Ass...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-test DISCLAIMER: ******************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential, legally privileged and protected in law and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. This email was multiple times scanned for viruses. There should be no known virus in this email! ******************************************************* |
From: Paul K. D. <pdi...@fr...> - 2009-05-27 15:09:04
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I agree. I like assp because it's fast and light. Avoid the bloat. Paul K. Dickson Systems Administrator Frederick County Government, IIT pdi...@fr... 301-600-2399/x12399 > From: Doug Lytle <su...@dr...> > Reply-To: ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> > Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:32:56 -0400 > To: ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> > Subject: Re: [Assp-test] ASSP archive plugin > > Charles Marcus wrote: >> ? There are a lot of archiving solutions out there... I fail to see why >> you would post a naked link to one of them in response to Thomas' email. >> >> > > I thought it was rather obvious. > > ASSP isn't an archiver, it's a mail filter. Leave the archiving to a > program that is designed to archive. And, it was one that I have > experience with. > > Doug > > > -- > Ben Franklin quote: > > "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary > Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT > is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. Meet > the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & > iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian > Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com > _______________________________________________ > Assp-test mailing list > Ass...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-test |
From: Paul K. D. <pdi...@fr...> - 2009-05-27 15:03:24
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IMHO assp's function should remain filtering spam only. Anything else should be a separate tool. Not to mention a good email archiving solution is very complex and storing a copy of every mail in the file system is highly inefficient. Paul K. Dickson Systems Administrator Frederick County Government, IIT pdi...@fr... 301-600-2399/x12399 > From: Thomas Eckardt/eck <Tho...@th...> > Reply-To: ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> > Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 07:37:09 +0200 > To: ASSP development mailing list <ass...@li...> > Subject: [Assp-test] ASSP archive plugin > > Hi all, > > some countries, like Germany, have legal demands, that every company has > to archive every received and sent email for up to 10 years. So my idea > is, to write a V2 plugin (level 2) which stores the MIME content of every > message (in,out - spam, ham) in the file system and holds an index of > those messages in a database and/or sends every message to an existing > archive system. The functionality should be as simple as possible. There > is no plan to provide an archive client to accessing the archive - this > could be done by others. > > Any comments and hints on this are welcome! > > Thomas > > DISCLAIMER: > ******************************************************* > This email and any files transmitted with it may be confidential, legally > privileged and protected in law and are intended solely for the use of the > > individual to whom it is addressed. > This email was multiple times scanned for viruses. There should be no > known virus in this email! > ******************************************************* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT > is a gathering of tech-side developers & brand creativity professionals. Meet > the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, & > iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian > Group, R/GA, & Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com > _______________________________________________ > Assp-test mailing list > Ass...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/assp-test |