Re: [AppleJack-report] Input requested for Applejack 1.7

[Tappe, K. <kur...@ch...>]

Aaron has an excellent point. Permissions are supposed to be repaired when
booted from the volume being repaired, so that the proper receipts are
referenced. So if we're going to have to boot into Single User Mode to run
diskutil -repairPermissions / , we might as well run the rest of AppleJack
too.  Thus I vote for keeping it alive.

Thanks!
-Kurt

On 7/20/11 2:38 PM, "Aaron Meurer" <asm...@gm...> wrote:

>It's hard to say before Lion is released, because I don't know what
>the boot partition will look like.  But given some good guesses, I can
>say AppleJack will still be useful because:
>
>1. The boot partition will probably make it harder to run all the
>tasks sequentially.  For example, with Applejack, I just have to boot
>into single user mode and type "applejack auto reboot" and it
>automatically runs fsck, checks the permissions, and some other stuff,
>and reboots.  Likely Apple's GUI will make this a more painful
>process.  It's very nice to be able to boot into single user mode and
>type this and walk away, knowing that half an hour later or so the
>computer will be booted back into normal mode with various things
>repaired.
>
>2. Booting into the partition will almost certainly be slower than
>booting into single user mode.  This is not even considering the last
>point where using the GUI would be slower.  Single-user mode has to
>load basically nothing, so booting into it is instantaneous.
>
>3. Apple's partition probably won't let you do some of the more
>advanced stuff like clearing the cache files.  Superficially it should
>be possible, as they will probably give terminal access (like the
>current install disk does), but the automation of Applejack makes this
>easier.
>
>4. I can imagine situations where someone would need to do things like
>repair permissions from single user mode rather than Apple's
>partition.  In that case, Applejack is nice because apparently loading
>all the right stuff by hand is not easy and it's not even clear what
>should be done (is this even documented anywhere outside the Applejack
>source code?).
>
>Aaron Meurer
>
>On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Don Montalvo <don...@gm...>
>wrote:
>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Steve Anthony wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> As you may or may not be aware, Apple has mandated the creation of a
>>> ~655MB "recovery" partition as part of a Lion install/upgrade. This
>>> partition replaces the functionality of the traditional OS X install
>>> DVD, providing access to Disk Utility, Terminal, etc. What this means
>>>is
>>> that much of the reason for installing Applejack may no longer exist.
>>> Given a Mac with Lion that won't boot, users will immediately have the
>>> option of booting to the recovery partition and performing operations
>>> like clearing caches and fixing disks and permissions using OS X tools
>>> in that recovery area.
>>>
>>> As such I wanted to solicit YOUR input - do you think a Lion compatible
>>> version of Applejack is still needed? Is there a use case you can
>>> imagine where Applejack would be more helpful than the Apple recovery
>>> partition? Do you plan on actively removing the recovery partition?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input and time,
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>
>> We still need a single user mode solution for our techs. We will not be
>>including a "Restore HD" restore partition in our enterprise deployment
>>process. The restore partition is created by the "Install Mac OS X.app"
>>installer app. In enterprise we use Apple System Imaging Utility to
>>create our images...we don't double-click an upgrade application. So the
>>restore partition is what Apple gives home users...we deal with
>>enterprise environments. So yes, we need AppleJack 1.7 for Lion
>>compatibility.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Don
>>
>>
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