zynaddsubfx-user — ZynAddSubFX users

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] Call for all zynaddsubfx sounds!

[<att...@gm...>]

adolson wrote:

> I am sorry that I don't have any patches for you, but this is AWESOME
> news!

If you haven't checked out cvs in the last half hour or so, wait till 
you see the new release. So far the following (small but important) 
improvements are in cvs:

* real legato mode
* zombie fix
* no reverb on start up (now you automatically hear the sounds as they 
were intended by the programmers)
* font size is now more reasonable on linux

Hopefully lash-support will also make it. Along with 100-200 new sounds, 
this will make the next release a killer.

> Thanks for coordinating this, Atte!

You're welcome :-)

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
                         | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] Call for all zynaddsubfx sounds!

[adolson <ad...@gm...>]

I am sorry that I don't have any patches for you, but this is AWESOME
news! ZynAddSubFX is my favorite (and currently only) synth, and the
more sounds it can ship with, the better!

Thanks for coordinating this, Atte!

Dana


On 10/31/06, Atte Andr=E9 Jensen <att...@gm...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> In the light of cvs getting more and more in sync with reality,
> reflecting a number of community supplied patches, I think we might
> expect a new release. I thought it might be a good time to try to
> collect all the sounds that we (the community) have been sharing lately.
>
> I spoke to Paul and he agreed to accept them into cvs. I offered to
> collect, categorize, tag, go over (for consistant volume) and wrap them
> all up for him.
>
> So: If you wrote some patches that you'd like to be included in the next
> official zynaddsubfx release, please send them to me. I'm not gonna try
> to improve (thereby ruining your work) the patches in any way other than
> try to put them in a consistant volume. They must be tagged (type +
> author), and when a picture emerges, I'll post a list here with all
> patches + relevent tags so we can all agree when they are finished, and
> ready to ship...
>
> I already have the patches included in
> http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/files/, which is:
>
> zyn_leo-rogers.tar.gz
> zyn_atte.tar.gz                    zyn_philicorda.tar.gz
> zyn_bungee.tar.gz                  zyn_will-godfrey.tar.gz
>
> So if your sounds are already in there, you don't have to do anything
> (maybe except make sure they are properly tagged), otherwise send them
> to me or the list.
>
> Looking forward to a lot of nice sounds
>
> --
> peace, love & harmony
> Atte
>
> http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
>                          | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job ea=
sier
> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronim=
o
> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat=
=3D121642
> _______________________________________________
> Zynaddsubfx-user mailing list
> Zyn...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/zynaddsubfx-user
>

[Zynaddsubfx-user] Call for all zynaddsubfx sounds!

[<att...@gm...>]

Hi

In the light of cvs getting more and more in sync with reality, 
reflecting a number of community supplied patches, I think we might 
expect a new release. I thought it might be a good time to try to 
collect all the sounds that we (the community) have been sharing lately.

I spoke to Paul and he agreed to accept them into cvs. I offered to 
collect, categorize, tag, go over (for consistant volume) and wrap them 
all up for him.

So: If you wrote some patches that you'd like to be included in the next 
official zynaddsubfx release, please send them to me. I'm not gonna try 
to improve (thereby ruining your work) the patches in any way other than 
try to put them in a consistant volume. They must be tagged (type + 
author), and when a picture emerges, I'll post a list here with all 
patches + relevent tags so we can all agree when they are finished, and 
ready to ship...

I already have the patches included in 
http://proaudio.tuxfamily.org/files/, which is:

zyn_leo-rogers.tar.gz
zyn_atte.tar.gz                    zyn_philicorda.tar.gz
zyn_bungee.tar.gz                  zyn_will-godfrey.tar.gz

So if your sounds are already in there, you don't have to do anything 
(maybe except make sure they are properly tagged), otherwise send them 
to me or the list.

Looking forward to a lot of nice sounds

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
                         | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] an issue with new mono-mode

[yawfle <ya...@no...>]

On Monday 30 October 2006 17:32, Gerald Folcher <ger...@fr...> said:
>
> In the ADlegatonote(...) function in 'src/Synth/ADnote.C' remove the
> whole block that starts with:
> if (pars->GlobalPar.PPunchStrength!=0) {
> and ends with:
> } else NoteGlobalPar.Punch.Enabled=0;

That improved things dramatically for several sounds I tested. Now I'm 
kicking myself for not staring at your patches a a little harder, since 
even I might have been smart enough to eventually realize legato 
doesn't need to be "punchy", especially with your comments about the 
likelihood of extra code being left in the function. Oh well, thanks 
for doing all the work. :)

Incidentally, attached is a sound patch that showed the most improvement 
of all the ones I compared; it still pops and clicks, but it was 
virtually unplayable before, with the "punchy-ness" clipping the 
outputs. It might make a good test case for any further hacking in this 
direction.

-- 
  yawfle

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] Extended Mono features and resized fonts patch

[Gerald F. <ger...@fr...>]

Gerald Folcher wrote:
> Probably, I informed Paul that I uploaded this update, so I guess he'll 
> probably apply it in some time, I don't know when though.

Ok, he applied it (v3) to the CVS. I also see that he fixed the stuff in 
the UI code that did give a warning during compilation about "fl_ask" 
being deprecated.

-- 
Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] Extended Mono features and resized fonts patch

[Gerald F. <ger...@fr...>]

Atte Andr=E9 Jensen wrote:
> So current cvs contains v2 of mono? And "extendedmono_v3_update" can be=
=20
> applied against cvs?

Yes, that's correct.

> Is v3 on it's way into cvs also?

Probably, I informed Paul that I uploaded this update, so I guess he'll=20
probably apply it in some time, I don't know when though.

--=20
Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] Extended Mono features and resized fonts patch

[<att...@gm...>]

Gerald Folcher wrote:

> It should correct the problem of intensity jumps that happened on legato 
> notes transitions, so now legato transitions are more clean (though 
> still quite brusque).

I'm looking forward to trying it out!

> Note that the zombie fix from Lars Luthman is only useful on 2.2.1 now 
> because it has been included into Zyn's CVS along with my patch, that's 
> why my patch for CVS is called "extendedmono_v3_update", because it's 
> only an update (note that it can serve as an update for any v2).

So current cvs contains v2 of mono? And "extendedmono_v3_update" can be 
applied against cvs? Is v3 on it's way into cvs also?

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
                         | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] Extended Mono features and resized fonts patch

[Gerald F. <ger...@fr...>]

Hello,

I uploaded the v3 patch at the usual place:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1582002&group_id=62934&atid=502314

It should correct the problem of intensity jumps that happened on legato 
notes transitions, so now legato transitions are more clean (though 
still quite brusque).

Note that the zombie fix from Lars Luthman is only useful on 2.2.1 now 
because it has been included into Zyn's CVS along with my patch, that's 
why my patch for CVS is called "extendedmono_v3_update", because it's 
only an update (note that it can serve as an update for any v2).

-- 
Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] leslie simulation

[<att...@gm...>]

Astrolabe wrote:

> I must have a listen to these as soon as i have tine!

No idea about how to solve my variable motor emulation problem?

> Actually, I have so far NEVER heard a really good representation of a
> Leslie. Although remarkably simple to manufacture mechanically, it is in
> fact a stupendously complex piece of equipment.

I don't know if it's "really" good, but my csound organ is at least 
"pretty good" or "the best I've heard in software".

And true it's not trivial to implement in software. Phase shift, delays, 
altering frequency content, what-not, it's all there. However in a 
language like csound, if you have patience and knowledge about physics 
and dsp you can "just do it", breaking the process down to its parts 
(not that I claim to be able to write a leslie from scratch in csound).

In zyn (as it is now) it's a completely different story. Passable would 
be enough for me until we get a real leslie effect in the zyn fx-rack. 
But the modulation of speed is really a key component, and will 
contribute a great deal to the passability.

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
                         | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] an issue with new mono-mode

[Gerald F. <ger...@fr...>]

Atte Andr=E9 Jensen wrote:
> I just played a bit more with the mono mode and there is a small thing=20
> that might need attention: If the patch is velocity sensitive (either=20
> filter or volume) playing legato between a soft and a loud note, causes=
=20
> a sudden jump in filter + volume. This is strange at best, but most=20
> often it results in a click.

Ok, I think I found the jump problem, I'll release a v3 patch soon when=20
I have time. You'll still perceive clicks because the transitions are=20
still rough, but at least there will be no amplitude jump, so it should=20
be a bit less annoying and more clean.

For the impatient here's what to change:

In the ADlegatonote(...) function in 'src/Synth/ADnote.C' remove the=20
whole block that starts with:
if (pars->GlobalPar.PPunchStrength!=3D0) {
and ends with:
} else NoteGlobalPar.Punch.Enabled=3D0;

And in the PADlegatonote(...) function in 'src/Synth/PADnote.C' remove=20
the whole block that starts with:
if (pars->PPunchStrength!=3D0) {
and ends with:
} else NoteGlobalPar.Punch.Enabled=3D0;


--=20
Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] leslie simulation

[Abrolag <ab...@us...>]

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:13:22 +0100
Atte Andr=E9 Jensen <att...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi
>=20
> I made a few hammond b3 patches (in=20
> http://atte.dk/sounds/attes_zyn_patches.tgz). The basic hammond sound is=
=20
> quite easy to emulate, and a simple chorus make a decent leslie. However=
=20
> a key feature of the classic hammond sound is altering the speed of the=20
> rotor. If I was to do this with the current patches, I'd have to=20
> modulate to speed of the chorus. Is that possible?

I must have a listen to these as soon as i have tine!

Actually, I have so far NEVER heard a really good representation of a
Leslie. Although remarkably simple to manufacture mechanically, it is in
fact a stupendously complex piece of equipment.

The first problem is that it doesn't just apply phase or frequency
shift. It is a true variable rate Doppler shifter which produces
progressively larger frequency shifts the faster it goes. the
relationship between the speed of the speaker, the incoming frequency
and degree of shift is also quite complex.

I asked a mathematician friend of mine about this and he told me to go
elsewhere. Far Queue were the words he used I believe :)

As if that wasn't enough, it is also a variable (frequency dependent)
amplitude filter with maximum attenuation at exactly the LF frequency
turnover and none at the HF turnover. Although that again is modified
by the side vents.

Now I've heard some quite good electronic mimics, but ...

--=20
W J G (who once had the pleasure of restoring a criminally abandoned
Hammond + Leslie)

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] an issue with new mono-mode

[<att...@gm...>]

yawfle wrote:

> Of course, someday maybe someone can create an option to use 
> velocity-per-note-on or velocity-per-retrigger and make everyone 
> happy...

"make everyone happy" wouldn't be too bad :-)

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
                         | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] an issue with new mono-mode

[yawfle <ya...@no...>]

On Monday 30 October 2006 13:59, Atte Andr=E9 Jensen=20
<att...@gm...> said:

> > I'm not sure I understand, do you mean that legato notes should not
> > take into account the new note velocity (keeping the first note
> > velocity) ?!
>
> That is exactly what I mean, yes.

While I understand where your feelings are coming from, there are just=20
too many times where I really like the effect of the change in volume=20
per note velocity to be able to agree here. It's true, though, that=20
much of the click/pop artifacts in legato mode do seem to relate to=20
velocity changes, from what I can tell. The best fix would be to ramp=20
(very quickly) the volume and filter settings to the new=20
velocity-determined ones, but I suspect that would take a lot of effort=20
to implement. This is why I was (pleasantly) surprised that the legato=20
hack sounds as good as it does as often as it does. For now, I plan to=20
try to create sound patches that work well with the legato mode, and be=20
happy with that. :)

Of course, someday maybe someone can create an option to use=20
velocity-per-note-on or velocity-per-retrigger and make everyone=20
happy...

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] an issue with new mono-mode

[<att...@gm...>]

Lars Luthman wrote:

> That sounds a bit odd - so if you pressed C4 really softly and then
> banged G4 really really hard, you would still only hear a low, faint
> sound? I'd expect the volume, cutoff frequency and whatever other things
> are velocity dependent to slide to their new values with the same speed
> as the pitch.

That's also possible. However all synths (mostly commercial hardware) I 
ever played did it the way I explained (note that this is from memory, 
will hook up my only (non-expensive) hardware synth with velocity 
sensitive keyboard, Roland JV80, tomorrow and check what it does). We 
could of course allow both ways of working, selectable from a setting in 
the gui. Best of both worlds :-)

> (I am going to try to massage my patches so they work with CVS and the
> way Paul wants them)

Great, great, great! I love you :-)

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
                         | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] an issue with new mono-mode

[Lars L. <lar...@gm...>]

On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 22:59 +0100, Atte Andr=E9 Jensen wrote:
> Gerald Folcher wrote:
>=20
> > I'm not sure I understand, do you mean that legato notes should not tak=
e=20
> > into account the new note velocity (keeping the first note velocity) ?!
>=20
> That is exactly what I mean, yes. Basically the only thing that should=20
> be changed is the pitch, kind of like playing the very first note and=20
> using the pitch bender to glide to the rest of the notes in the phrase.=20
> All other information (envelope, filter, lfo, loudness, etc) should=20
> simply be a continuation of what the first note had going.

That sounds a bit odd - so if you pressed C4 really softly and then
banged G4 really really hard, you would still only hear a low, faint
sound? I'd expect the volume, cutoff frequency and whatever other things
are velocity dependent to slide to their new values with the same speed
as the pitch.

(I am going to try to massage my patches so they work with CVS and the
way Paul wants them)

--=20
Lars Luthman - please encrypt any email sent to me if possible
PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0x04C77E2E
Fingerprint: FCA7 C790 19B9 322D EB7A E1B3 4371 4650 04C7 7E2E

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] Extended Mono features and resized fonts patch

[<att...@gm...>]

yawfle wrote:
> 
> The "patch" to turn off the fx, in it's simplest form, mainly consists 
> of deleting this line from the Misc/Master.C file:
> 
> sysefx[0]->changeeffect(1);

Thanks alot! That's useful infomation...

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
                         | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] an issue with new mono-mode

[<att...@gm...>]

Gerald Folcher wrote:

> I'm not sure I understand, do you mean that legato notes should not take 
> into account the new note velocity (keeping the first note velocity) ?!

That is exactly what I mean, yes. Basically the only thing that should 
be changed is the pitch, kind of like playing the very first note and 
using the pitch bender to glide to the rest of the notes in the phrase. 
All other information (envelope, filter, lfo, loudness, etc) should 
simply be a continuation of what the first note had going.

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
                         | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] =?iso-8859-1?q?Extended_Mono_features_and_resi?= =?iso-8859-1?q?zed_fonts=09patch?=

[yawfle <ya...@no...>]

On Monday 30 October 2006 03:11, Atte Andr=E9 Jensen=20
<att...@gm...> said:

> Also the modified Master.C file that turns off
> fx on startup is incompatible with cvs and Lars' patch :-(

The "patch" to turn off the fx, in it's simplest form, mainly consists=20
of deleting this line from the Misc/Master.C file:

sysefx[0]->changeeffect(1);

I checked the cvs version, and it's line 103 in that one. If you want to=20
be more complete and not have the send level for the part raised, check=20
the "if" statement a few lines above it, and just keep the "else" line,=20
with the "else" deleted. With that information, you can apply the=20
change to any version you want, past, present or future. :)

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] an issue with new mono-mode

[Gerald F. <ger...@fr...>]

Atte Andr=E9 Jensen wrote:
> If it's not obvious, it's caused by filter/volume being recalculated fo=
r=20
> new notes, whereas they should take over whatever value the first note=20
> has...

I'm not sure I understand, do you mean that legato notes should not take=20
into account the new note velocity (keeping the first note velocity) ?!=20
(that would surprise me). I'm sorry if I didn't understand, as weird as=20
it may sound this whole thing really tends to confuse me :)

By the way, something interesting I found is that even in the standard=20
Mono mode (and I tried with the ZynAddSubFX as shipped from Debian to=20
make sure), the same thing happen, there is a sudden jump, though it may=20
be less problematic/heard in the classic Mono mode than in Legato mode.=20
So of course I'll continue to try to find how to prevent this from=20
happening, at least when in legato mode.

--=20
Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] an issue with new mono-mode

[<att...@gm...>]

Gerald Folcher wrote:

> Ok, I was able to reproduce it, it indeed causes a sudden jump, I will 
> try to find why it's doing this, thanks.

If it's not obvious, it's caused by filter/volume being recalculated for 
new notes, whereas they should take over whatever value the first note 
has...

But you were probably thinking about where in the code, of which I'm 
clueless :-)

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
                         | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] an issue with new mono-mode

[Gerald F. <ger...@fr...>]

Atte Andr=E9 Jensen wrote:
> I just played a bit more with the mono mode and there is a small thing=20
> that might need attention: If the patch is velocity sensitive (either=20
> filter or volume) playing legato between a soft and a loud note, causes=
=20
> a sudden jump in filter + volume. This is strange at best, but most=20
> often it results in a click.

Ok, I was able to reproduce it, it indeed causes a sudden jump, I will=20
try to find why it's doing this, thanks.

--=20
Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] Extended Mono features and resized fonts patch

[<att...@gm...>]

Gerald Folcher wrote:

> The situation is not so bad though :)

It will be later :-)

> Also I just added a file on my Patch page:
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1582002&group_id=62934&atid=502314
> 'zyn-221andCVS-i_think_it_is_unzombify-061030.diff.gz'

Thanks. I'll give that a try.

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
                         | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] Extended Mono features and resized fonts patch

[Gerald F. <ger...@fr...>]

Atte Andr=E9 Jensen wrote:
> Gerald Folcher wrote:
>> Normally the new patch should not be any less stable than the old,=20
>> it's possible that these instabilities are just "normal" ZynAddSubFX=20
>> instabilities, maybe it's the "zombification" bug that the Lars' patch=
=20
>> fixes (debian seems also to patch Zyn for another instability bug that=
=20
>> occur on lauch) ?
>=20
> Well now we start to see the trouble. Lars' patch seems to be=20
> incompatible with cvs and the mono-patch. So I have to choose: a stable=
,=20
> outdated zyn (lars' patch) or an updated (cvs), unstable zyn with mono=20
> mode patch. Also the modified Master.C file that turns off fx on startu=
p=20
> is incompatible with cvs and Lars' patch :-(

The situation is not so bad though :)

First the CVS is no so different from 2.2.1, as far as I understand it,=20
it only does minor changes, so using 2.2.1 is not so bad.

Also I just added a file on my Patch page:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D1582002&grou=
p_id=3D62934&atid=3D502314
'zyn-221andCVS-i_think_it_is_unzombify-061030.diff.gz'

That should be a standalone zombie fix patch I stripped out of Lars=20
Luthman's "JACK MIDI + LASH + zombie fix" patch, I hope I didn't=20
overlooked something in the process, but it seems ok (if someone knows a=20
reproducible way of making this zombie bug happen I would be=20
interested). You can apply it in addition to my patch, and it is=20
applicable for both 2.2.1 and CVS (for example cd into zyn dir and do=20
'patch -p1 <../zyn-221andCVS-i_think_it_is_unzombify-061030.diff').

With that you should be able to have all 2.2.1 + extended mono + zombie=20
fix + the modified Master.C file that turns off fx on startup :)

--=20
Gerald Folcher - geraldf2 (at) free (dot) fr

[Zynaddsubfx-user] an issue with new mono-mode

[<att...@gm...>]

Hi

I just played a bit more with the mono mode and there is a small thing 
that might need attention: If the patch is velocity sensitive (either 
filter or volume) playing legato between a soft and a loud note, causes 
a sudden jump in filter + volume. This is strange at best, but most 
often it results in a click.

Might not be that trivial to fix, though...

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
                         | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions

Re: [Zynaddsubfx-user] Sound "type"

[<att...@gm...>]

Gerald Squelcher wrote:

> Sounds like a good idea, that would indeed be very powerful to 
> categorise/sort/find instruments. That would not be easy to implement tough.

I was merely brainstorming/wishing :-)

-- 
peace, love & harmony
Atte

http://www.atte.dk      | quintet:      http://www.anagrammer.dk
                         | compositions: http://www.atte.dk/compositions