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From: Inderjeet S. <ind...@gm...> - 2009-08-10 16:14:28
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Yes, the output is Objective C. Thanks Inder On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Sascha Haeberling <sa...@gm...>wrote: > Hi Inder, > what output language do you use? > > Thanks > // Sascha > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Inderjeet Singh <ind...@gm...>wrote: > >> Hi Arno, >> >> Thanks for the quick response. I am compiling from Java. >> Here is an example: >> >> class Foo { private final byte value; >> public Foo(byte value) { >> this.value = value; >> } >> public byte getValue() { >> return value; >> } >> } >> >> Thanks >> Inder >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Arno Puder <ar...@pu...> wrote: >> >>> >>> Inder: can you please mail a small, self-contained example that >>> demonstrates the problems over this mailing list? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Arno >>> >>> >>> Inderjeet Singh wrote: >>> > I have some code that uses java data type byte extensively, and the >>> > generated xmlvm code uses byte* everywhere but fails to compile. >>> > Does xmlvm handle byte datatype? If not, will just adding a typedef >>> from >>> > byte to char solve the problem? >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > Inder >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >>> 30-Day >>> > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and >>> focus on >>> > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >>> > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > xmlvm-users mailing list >>> > xml...@li... >>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >>> 30-Day >>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and >>> focus on >>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >>> _______________________________________________ >>> xmlvm-users mailing list >>> xml...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus >> on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> xmlvm-users mailing list >> xml...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users >> >> > |
From: Sascha H. <sa...@gm...> - 2009-08-10 16:01:33
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Hi Inder, what output language do you use? Thanks // Sascha On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Inderjeet Singh <ind...@gm...> wrote: > Hi Arno, > > Thanks for the quick response. I am compiling from Java. > Here is an example: > > class Foo { private final byte value; > public Foo(byte value) { > this.value = value; > } > public byte getValue() { > return value; > } > } > > Thanks > Inder > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Arno Puder <ar...@pu...> wrote: > >> >> Inder: can you please mail a small, self-contained example that >> demonstrates the problems over this mailing list? >> >> Thanks, >> Arno >> >> >> Inderjeet Singh wrote: >> > I have some code that uses java data type byte extensively, and the >> > generated xmlvm code uses byte* everywhere but fails to compile. >> > Does xmlvm handle byte datatype? If not, will just adding a typedef from >> > byte to char solve the problem? >> > >> > Thanks >> > Inder >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >> > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and >> focus on >> > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > xmlvm-users mailing list >> > xml...@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 >> 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus >> on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> xmlvm-users mailing list >> xml...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > xmlvm-users mailing list > xml...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users > > |
From: Inderjeet S. <ind...@gm...> - 2009-08-10 15:46:45
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Hi Arno, Thanks for the quick response. I am compiling from Java. Here is an example: class Foo { private final byte value; public Foo(byte value) { this.value = value; } public byte getValue() { return value; } } Thanks Inder On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Arno Puder <ar...@pu...> wrote: > > Inder: can you please mail a small, self-contained example that > demonstrates the problems over this mailing list? > > Thanks, > Arno > > > Inderjeet Singh wrote: > > I have some code that uses java data type byte extensively, and the > > generated xmlvm code uses byte* everywhere but fails to compile. > > Does xmlvm handle byte datatype? If not, will just adding a typedef from > > byte to char solve the problem? > > > > Thanks > > Inder > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > 30-Day > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > focus on > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > xmlvm-users mailing list > > xml...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > xmlvm-users mailing list > xml...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users > |
From: Arno P. <ar...@pu...> - 2009-08-10 14:42:24
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Inder: can you please mail a small, self-contained example that demonstrates the problems over this mailing list? Thanks, Arno Inderjeet Singh wrote: > I have some code that uses java data type byte extensively, and the > generated xmlvm code uses byte* everywhere but fails to compile. > Does xmlvm handle byte datatype? If not, will just adding a typedef from > byte to char solve the problem? > > Thanks > Inder > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > xmlvm-users mailing list > xml...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users |
From: Sascha H. <sa...@gm...> - 2009-08-10 14:24:31
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Hi Inder, thanks for that find. It is totally possible that we don't map the byte type yet. I don't think we use it in any of our current applications. Can you dell me, which output language you are cross-compiling into? // Sascha On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Inderjeet Singh <ind...@gm...> wrote: > I have some code that uses java data type byte extensively, and the > generated xmlvm code uses byte* everywhere but fails to compile. > Does xmlvm handle byte datatype? If not, will just adding a typedef from > byte to char solve the problem? > > Thanks > Inder > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > xmlvm-users mailing list > xml...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users > > |
From: Inderjeet S. <ind...@gm...> - 2009-08-10 13:27:31
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I have some code that uses java data type byte extensively, and the generated xmlvm code uses byte* everywhere but fails to compile. Does xmlvm handle byte datatype? If not, will just adding a typedef from byte to char solve the problem? Thanks Inder |
From: Sascha H. <sa...@gm...> - 2009-08-04 13:17:21
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Hi Gabriel, wow a Synthesizer, that sounds like a cool project! I don't know anything about the audio APIs on the iPhone and Android, so I cannot really tell you whether this is feasible. But if there is something comparable, I'd say why not. We haven't actually done any proper benchmarks. Fact of the matter is that our generated Objective-C code can be optimized and we are currently working on that. But I don't know how it compares directly against the same Android app running on a device. My guess is that it heavily depends on what the code is doing. -- Sascha http://www.xmlvm.org On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Gabriel Sánchez <gab...@gm...>wrote: > hey guys, I think it's a cool project you're working on. I've made a couple > of very simple iPhone apps with objective C actually in a workshop. I don't > even own an iPhone but I'd like to make an app. I was thinking on doing a > synthesizer. Would it be possible to make a synth with java and then cross > compile it so it works on the iPhone? > > I also was wondering how different is the performance comparing the obj-c > code with the java code on the iphone? > > thanks a lot. > > -- > Gabriel Alejandro Sánchez Fernández > http://gabrielsanchez.net/ > celular: 811-652-7050 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus > on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > xmlvm-users mailing list > xml...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users > > |
From: Gabriel S. <gab...@gm...> - 2009-08-04 04:36:40
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hey guys, I think it's a cool project you're working on. I've made a couple of very simple iPhone apps with objective C actually in a workshop. I don't even own an iPhone but I'd like to make an app. I was thinking on doing a synthesizer. Would it be possible to make a synth with java and then cross compile it so it works on the iPhone? I also was wondering how different is the performance comparing the obj-c code with the java code on the iphone? thanks a lot. -- Gabriel Alejandro Sánchez Fernández http://gabrielsanchez.net/ celular: 811-652-7050 |
From: Arno P. <ar...@pu...> - 2009-08-03 22:55:35
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Björn Caroll wrote: > When I started thinking about this I saw that you had developed Java > api's for the iPhone but the problem that I saw was that you also had to > develop objective c counterpart for every class. This is to translate > from the name+param-type methodnames, you have to use to handle > polymorphism. Coming from JavaME I am used to keep the size of the > binary down and to double every compatibility class does not seem right. > > Could this naming problem be solved? I was thinking that maybe there > could be a parameter that tells XMLVM to not add type to the method name > when calling a specified package. In the case of iPhone libraries it > would be the default package since Objective C does not have packages. > What do you think of that idea? XMLVM uses categories to extend existing Cocoa classes, so the overhead is minimal. In many cases it is not just a matter of delegating the method call in the wrapper, but there is a little more that has to be done (for example garbage collection or mapping from value types to objects). Arno |
From: Björn C. <bj...@ca...> - 2009-08-03 09:57:25
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That's the beauty of os. Everybody can work on what's interests them. Hopefully someone else has interest in it amd will help me since I don't think I can complete it on my own. When I started thinking about this I saw that you had developed Java api's for the iPhone but the problem that I saw was that you also had to develop objective c counterpart for every class. This is to translate from the name+param-type methodnames, you have to use to handle polymorphism. Coming from JavaME I am used to keep the size of the binary down and to double every compatibility class does not seem right. Could this naming problem be solved? I was thinking that maybe there could be a parameter that tells XMLVM to not add type to the method name when calling a specified package. In the case of iPhone libraries it would be the default package since Objective C does not have packages. What do you think of that idea? /Björn Arno Puder skrev: > Björn, > > we at XMLVM have no big interest in JavaME, but of course you are free > to work on this and we would also integrate your stuff to our code base. > If I can just make one suggestion: do it in a similar way as we do for > the android2iphone part: first expose the Cocoa Touch API that you need > in Java and then write a compatibility layer for Java ME on top that > only makes use of this Cocoa Touch Java API. This way the Java for the > iPhone portion of XMLVM will benefit as well. > > Arno > > > Björn Caroll wrote: > >> Hi! >> I have also been thinking of contributing to JavaME to iPhone porting. >> My idea is to create JavaME libraries for the phone and then use the >> XMLVM to convert the code. >> This is probably not what Gergely was thinking of. >> Also there is not subproject for what I am thinking of. Is is possible >> to start a new one? >> >> /Björn >> >> Gergely Kis skrev: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I found your very nice project. >>> >>> We are looking into a solution to port our J2ME / BlackBerry / Android >>> application over to IPhone. >>> For Android we have a thin wrapper to provide the necessary J2ME >>> services. We use the following features: >>> - JSR-135 (Multimedia) >>> - JSR-170 (PIM, Filesystem access) >>> - Generic Connector Framework >>> - RecordStore >>> - Canvas >>> >>> We plan to contribute the missing pieces of these features to the >>> xmlvm project. Does this kind of contribution enough to get a GPL >>> Linking Exception? >>> We have not decided yet whether we will start the J2ME MIDP support >>> "from scratch", or just add the missing pieces to the android2iphone >>> library, and use our Android port as the basis. >>> >>> We would be also interested in the price of the commercial license. >>> Our clients might feel safer to be able to have an actual contract >>> which grants them the right to use the xmlvm runtime libraries. >>> >>> A very important question, before we invest too much energy into this: >>> Are there applications already in the Apple App Store that were ported >>> using xmlvm? Could we get some pointers? Are there any issues that we >>> have to check? >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Gergely Kis >>> MattaKis Consulting >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day >>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on >>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> xmlvm-users mailing list >>> xml...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> xmlvm-users mailing list >> xml...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > xmlvm-users mailing list > xml...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users > |
From: Arno P. <ar...@pu...> - 2009-08-01 16:24:47
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Gergely, > I have to admit, I know less about the Apple AppStore submission process > than I would like. What does "submission for review" mean? Is this some > kind of dry run, where Apple checks if the submitted application > complies to the submission guidelines? Did Xokoban pass? :) Its really quite simple: Apple keeps in total control over which applications get accepted to the AppStore. You first have to submit your application (only the binary, not the source), Apple reviews it, and then they may or may not accept it to their AppStore. We have submitted Xokoban on July 1st for review; exactly a month ago and we are still waiting. Apple is not very consistent with its decisions. If you search the web, you will find plenty of such stories. > So just to clarify: If we, as a company receive the "linking exception" > license in exchange for our contribution, are we allowed to develop > commercial applications for our clients, so that our clients would > release these applications to the public (basically "work made for > hire")? Also: would there be some kind of "expiration date" on this > linking exception license, or it would apply to all future revisions of > xmlvm? The linking exception is granted to an individual or a company who makes the contribution to XMLVM. This linking exception is non-transferable. This means that you yourself can do work for hire for your clients without having to release your application under the GPL, but your client could not do the development work. > Now back to the interesting stuff: > One important issue in any embedded development scenario is the on > device debugging. It would be nice to provide a way for Java > applications translated by xmlvm to be debugged on the IPhone. I agree that debugging capabilities are important. As long as there is a Java version of the Cocoa Touch classes, you can debug under Eclipse. If you want to debug on the device, you have to use Xcode. The big downside here is that you would be debugging the Objective-C source code that XMLVM generates. That is like debugging assembler code. It should be possible to insert meta-information (i.e., line numbers) into the generated Objective-C code and build a bridge to an external Java debugger. That is no easy task. > One solution comes to mind: Create a protocol bridge between the > debugging protocol used by the IPhone (I think they use GDB/MI, but I > have to check further), and Eclipse, which uses the standard Java > debugger interface. As part of the translation process xmlvm could > output a mapping file which maps the source line information in the > class files to source line information in the Objective-C sources. That's basically it. A first step would be to look at Java class files with debug information and map that debug information to XMLVM so it can be used during code generation. Generating debug info would have to be done in class ParseJVM by making use of BCEL. Patches are welcome. :-) > The big IF in this approach is of course whether an external program > outside of Xcode can access the GDB/MI connection to the IPhone. I have > seen some indication on the net that this can be done. Well, how about just doing a plain old TCP socket? Or simpler, just use HTTP to communicate with the device. Arno |
From: Arno P. <ar...@pu...> - 2009-08-01 16:21:52
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Björn, we at XMLVM have no big interest in JavaME, but of course you are free to work on this and we would also integrate your stuff to our code base. If I can just make one suggestion: do it in a similar way as we do for the android2iphone part: first expose the Cocoa Touch API that you need in Java and then write a compatibility layer for Java ME on top that only makes use of this Cocoa Touch Java API. This way the Java for the iPhone portion of XMLVM will benefit as well. Arno Björn Caroll wrote: > Hi! > I have also been thinking of contributing to JavaME to iPhone porting. > My idea is to create JavaME libraries for the phone and then use the > XMLVM to convert the code. > This is probably not what Gergely was thinking of. > Also there is not subproject for what I am thinking of. Is is possible > to start a new one? > > /Björn > > Gergely Kis skrev: >> Hi, >> >> I found your very nice project. >> >> We are looking into a solution to port our J2ME / BlackBerry / Android >> application over to IPhone. >> For Android we have a thin wrapper to provide the necessary J2ME >> services. We use the following features: >> - JSR-135 (Multimedia) >> - JSR-170 (PIM, Filesystem access) >> - Generic Connector Framework >> - RecordStore >> - Canvas >> >> We plan to contribute the missing pieces of these features to the >> xmlvm project. Does this kind of contribution enough to get a GPL >> Linking Exception? >> We have not decided yet whether we will start the J2ME MIDP support >> "from scratch", or just add the missing pieces to the android2iphone >> library, and use our Android port as the basis. >> >> We would be also interested in the price of the commercial license. >> Our clients might feel safer to be able to have an actual contract >> which grants them the right to use the xmlvm runtime libraries. >> >> A very important question, before we invest too much energy into this: >> Are there applications already in the Apple App Store that were ported >> using xmlvm? Could we get some pointers? Are there any issues that we >> have to check? >> >> Best Regards, >> Gergely Kis >> MattaKis Consulting >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> xmlvm-users mailing list >> xml...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > xmlvm-users mailing list > xml...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users |
From: Björn C. <bj...@ca...> - 2009-08-01 09:50:32
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Hi! I have also been thinking of contributing to JavaME to iPhone porting. My idea is to create JavaME libraries for the phone and then use the XMLVM to convert the code. This is probably not what Gergely was thinking of. Also there is not subproject for what I am thinking of. Is is possible to start a new one? /Björn Gergely Kis skrev: > Hi, > > I found your very nice project. > > We are looking into a solution to port our J2ME / BlackBerry / Android > application over to IPhone. > For Android we have a thin wrapper to provide the necessary J2ME > services. We use the following features: > - JSR-135 (Multimedia) > - JSR-170 (PIM, Filesystem access) > - Generic Connector Framework > - RecordStore > - Canvas > > We plan to contribute the missing pieces of these features to the > xmlvm project. Does this kind of contribution enough to get a GPL > Linking Exception? > We have not decided yet whether we will start the J2ME MIDP support > "from scratch", or just add the missing pieces to the android2iphone > library, and use our Android port as the basis. > > We would be also interested in the price of the commercial license. > Our clients might feel safer to be able to have an actual contract > which grants them the right to use the xmlvm runtime libraries. > > A very important question, before we invest too much energy into this: > Are there applications already in the Apple App Store that were ported > using xmlvm? Could we get some pointers? Are there any issues that we > have to check? > > Best Regards, > Gergely Kis > MattaKis Consulting > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > xmlvm-users mailing list > xml...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users > |
From: Gergely K. <ger...@ma...> - 2009-08-01 07:10:04
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Arno, thank you for your prompt reply. Yes, we will most likely concentrate on extending the android2iphone library. I have to admit, I know less about the Apple AppStore submission process than I would like. What does "submission for review" mean? Is this some kind of dry run, where Apple checks if the submitted application complies to the submission guidelines? Did Xokoban pass? :) Regarding the commercial license: I just saw it mentioned in one of the replies on the list, so I thought I would ask if there was already an established commercial licensing model. It is my experience that some of my clients are more comfortable spending on a license so that they have an invoice and a contract filed away. However, most clients will do OK with an open source licensed component, as long as they don't have to release their own source. So just to clarify: If we, as a company receive the "linking exception" license in exchange for our contribution, are we allowed to develop commercial applications for our clients, so that our clients would release these applications to the public (basically "work made for hire")? Also: would there be some kind of "expiration date" on this linking exception license, or it would apply to all future revisions of xmlvm? Now back to the interesting stuff: One important issue in any embedded development scenario is the on device debugging. It would be nice to provide a way for Java applications translated by xmlvm to be debugged on the IPhone. One solution comes to mind: Create a protocol bridge between the debugging protocol used by the IPhone (I think they use GDB/MI, but I have to check further), and Eclipse, which uses the standard Java debugger interface. As part of the translation process xmlvm could output a mapping file which maps the source line information in the class files to source line information in the Objective-C sources. The big IF in this approach is of course whether an external program outside of Xcode can access the GDB/MI connection to the IPhone. I have seen some indication on the net that this can be done. What do you think? Best Regards, Gergely 2009/7/31 Arno Puder <ar...@pu...> > > Gergely, > > thank you for your interest in XMLVM. The contribution you mentioned is > surely enough to grant you a linking exception. We focus on Android and > iPhone, so we would prefer a contribution to the android2iphone part of > XMLVM. I personally also believe that this is the cleaner approach. > > As with any open source project, I don't know who is using XMLVM. I do > not know of any application using XMLVM that is currently in the > AppStore. However, I know of several applications that have been > submitted to the AppStore for review (including our own Xokoban game). I > will send a short message over this mailing list if I hear of any XMLVM > success stories. > > We currently do not have a commercial license. At this point the XMLVM > core team only consists of 'geeks'. We are not opposed to offer a > commercial license. Before we talk about money, we would need to know > what your expectations are. One thing we can offer in return for a > commercial license is to prioritize TODOs based on your needs. But > perhaps you first mention more clearly what your expectations are. > > Arno > > > Gergely Kis wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I found your very nice project. > > > > We are looking into a solution to port our J2ME / BlackBerry / Android > > application over to IPhone. > > For Android we have a thin wrapper to provide the necessary J2ME > > services. We use the following features: > > - JSR-135 (Multimedia) > > - JSR-170 (PIM, Filesystem access) > > - Generic Connector Framework > > - RecordStore > > - Canvas > > > > We plan to contribute the missing pieces of these features to the xmlvm > > project. Does this kind of contribution enough to get a GPL Linking > > Exception? > > We have not decided yet whether we will start the J2ME MIDP support > > "from scratch", or just add the missing pieces to the android2iphone > > library, and use our Android port as the basis. > > > > We would be also interested in the price of the commercial license. Our > > clients might feel safer to be able to have an actual contract which > > grants them the right to use the xmlvm runtime libraries. > > > > A very important question, before we invest too much energy into this: > > Are there applications already in the Apple App Store that were ported > > using xmlvm? Could we get some pointers? Are there any issues that we > > have to check? > > > > Best Regards, > > Gergely Kis > > MattaKis Consulting > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 > 30-Day > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and > focus on > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > xmlvm-users mailing list > > xml...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. 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From: Arno P. <ar...@pu...> - 2009-07-31 21:42:50
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Gergely, thank you for your interest in XMLVM. The contribution you mentioned is surely enough to grant you a linking exception. We focus on Android and iPhone, so we would prefer a contribution to the android2iphone part of XMLVM. I personally also believe that this is the cleaner approach. As with any open source project, I don't know who is using XMLVM. I do not know of any application using XMLVM that is currently in the AppStore. However, I know of several applications that have been submitted to the AppStore for review (including our own Xokoban game). I will send a short message over this mailing list if I hear of any XMLVM success stories. We currently do not have a commercial license. At this point the XMLVM core team only consists of 'geeks'. We are not opposed to offer a commercial license. Before we talk about money, we would need to know what your expectations are. One thing we can offer in return for a commercial license is to prioritize TODOs based on your needs. But perhaps you first mention more clearly what your expectations are. Arno Gergely Kis wrote: > Hi, > > I found your very nice project. > > We are looking into a solution to port our J2ME / BlackBerry / Android > application over to IPhone. > For Android we have a thin wrapper to provide the necessary J2ME > services. We use the following features: > - JSR-135 (Multimedia) > - JSR-170 (PIM, Filesystem access) > - Generic Connector Framework > - RecordStore > - Canvas > > We plan to contribute the missing pieces of these features to the xmlvm > project. Does this kind of contribution enough to get a GPL Linking > Exception? > We have not decided yet whether we will start the J2ME MIDP support > "from scratch", or just add the missing pieces to the android2iphone > library, and use our Android port as the basis. > > We would be also interested in the price of the commercial license. Our > clients might feel safer to be able to have an actual contract which > grants them the right to use the xmlvm runtime libraries. > > A very important question, before we invest too much energy into this: > Are there applications already in the Apple App Store that were ported > using xmlvm? Could we get some pointers? Are there any issues that we > have to check? > > Best Regards, > Gergely Kis > MattaKis Consulting > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > xmlvm-users mailing list > xml...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users |
From: Gergely K. <ger...@ma...> - 2009-07-31 17:40:16
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Hi, I found your very nice project. We are looking into a solution to port our J2ME / BlackBerry / Android application over to IPhone. For Android we have a thin wrapper to provide the necessary J2ME services. We use the following features: - JSR-135 (Multimedia) - JSR-170 (PIM, Filesystem access) - Generic Connector Framework - RecordStore - Canvas We plan to contribute the missing pieces of these features to the xmlvm project. Does this kind of contribution enough to get a GPL Linking Exception? We have not decided yet whether we will start the J2ME MIDP support "from scratch", or just add the missing pieces to the android2iphone library, and use our Android port as the basis. We would be also interested in the price of the commercial license. Our clients might feel safer to be able to have an actual contract which grants them the right to use the xmlvm runtime libraries. A very important question, before we invest too much energy into this: Are there applications already in the Apple App Store that were ported using xmlvm? Could we get some pointers? Are there any issues that we have to check? Best Regards, Gergely Kis MattaKis Consulting |
From: Sascha H. <sa...@gm...> - 2009-07-26 14:27:39
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Update: I just checked in a change that adds XMLVM output support. So if you don't set any target or you set the xmlvm target explicitly, XMLVM files will be written. // Sascha On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Sascha Haeberling <sa...@gm...>wrote: > Please see my comments inline... > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Daniel Branco <db...@gm...> wrote: > > ... > > >> >> Changing the subject, can anyone explain me how to use the code, generated >> by the xmlvm, in the iphone when I compiled the class with the following: >> >> %xmlvm% --in=holaMundo.class --target=iphone --iphone-app=holaMundo >> --out="./salida/" >> >> take into account that %xmlvm% is equal to "java -jar xmlvm.jar". > > > You basically have two options here, but bare in mind that you need to have > OSX 10.5 in order to compile the generated Objective-C code to an > iPhone/iPod application. > > This command line should generate you a Makefile along with the compiled > code. This Makefile can be used on OSX 10.5 to compile the application and > to launch it in Apples iPhone emulator. At least with the iPhone SDK 2.X > this works. I've heard Arno saying that they changed something in 3.0 so > this method is currently not working with the 3.0 SDK. > > You other option is to use Xcode. You simply create an iPhone application > in Xcode, just the way you would do it when you want to code a normal iPhone > app. You then simply add all the generated files to that project and off you > go. You can run the code in Apple's simulator or you can create a package > that you can then sign and push to an iPhone. > > >> >> >> My goal is to pass the compile code to a friend and he test it in his >> iphone (I don't have Iphone or Itouch in the meanwhile) > > > As I said above, you definitely need OSX 10.5 for this. There is currently > now way to compile iPhone/iPod apps anywhere else to my knowledge. > > >> >> >> Can I use the code in a simple ipod? Of course without the wireless >> connection and touchscreen functions. > > > iPod is not problem at all. What do you mean by without touchscreen > functions? An iPod and iPhone are no different when it comes to the > touchscreen. > > >> >> >> I noticed that the project is not document and making use of the javadoc >> functionality. Sorry for being annoying, but will you document it?, should >> be a great help. > > > First of all, plenty of JavaDoc exists, we just don't generate it yet. > JavaDoc wouldn't be so helpful as long as you just want to use XMLVM. If you > want to extend it, then JavaDoc is important. But then you can easily > generate it youself using Eclipse for example. We are aware, that there is > still plenty of JavaDoc missing and we are working on it. > > >> >> >> *HINT:* you should include the images of the Iphone into one of the JARs, >> at the beggining I was expecting to run the helloWorld and see a pop-up >> screen with the result instead of a displaying error. >> >> *PS.:* excuse my English, I'm improving it. > > > It's absolutely fine, no worries! :) > > >> >> *PS.:* I will try to make a plugin to eclipse in order to use your >> project. (Just to learn how to make a plugin and who knows if that helps the >> users) > > > What would this plugin do? > > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> xmlvm-users mailing list >> xml...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users >> >> > |
From: Sascha H. <sa...@gm...> - 2009-07-24 21:14:13
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Please see my comments inline... On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Daniel Branco <db...@gm...> wrote: ... > > Changing the subject, can anyone explain me how to use the code, generated > by the xmlvm, in the iphone when I compiled the class with the following: > > %xmlvm% --in=holaMundo.class --target=iphone --iphone-app=holaMundo > --out="./salida/" > > take into account that %xmlvm% is equal to "java -jar xmlvm.jar". You basically have two options here, but bare in mind that you need to have OSX 10.5 in order to compile the generated Objective-C code to an iPhone/iPod application. This command line should generate you a Makefile along with the compiled code. This Makefile can be used on OSX 10.5 to compile the application and to launch it in Apples iPhone emulator. At least with the iPhone SDK 2.X this works. I've heard Arno saying that they changed something in 3.0 so this method is currently not working with the 3.0 SDK. You other option is to use Xcode. You simply create an iPhone application in Xcode, just the way you would do it when you want to code a normal iPhone app. You then simply add all the generated files to that project and off you go. You can run the code in Apple's simulator or you can create a package that you can then sign and push to an iPhone. > > > My goal is to pass the compile code to a friend and he test it in his > iphone (I don't have Iphone or Itouch in the meanwhile) As I said above, you definitely need OSX 10.5 for this. There is currently now way to compile iPhone/iPod apps anywhere else to my knowledge. > > > Can I use the code in a simple ipod? Of course without the wireless > connection and touchscreen functions. iPod is not problem at all. What do you mean by without touchscreen functions? An iPod and iPhone are no different when it comes to the touchscreen. > > > I noticed that the project is not document and making use of the javadoc > functionality. Sorry for being annoying, but will you document it?, should > be a great help. First of all, plenty of JavaDoc exists, we just don't generate it yet. JavaDoc wouldn't be so helpful as long as you just want to use XMLVM. If you want to extend it, then JavaDoc is important. But then you can easily generate it youself using Eclipse for example. We are aware, that there is still plenty of JavaDoc missing and we are working on it. > > > *HINT:* you should include the images of the Iphone into one of the JARs, > at the beggining I was expecting to run the helloWorld and see a pop-up > screen with the result instead of a displaying error. > > *PS.:* excuse my English, I'm improving it. It's absolutely fine, no worries! :) > > *PS.:* I will try to make a plugin to eclipse in order to use your > project. (Just to learn how to make a plugin and who knows if that helps the > users) What would this plugin do? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > xmlvm-users mailing list > xml...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users > > |
From: Daniel B. <db...@gm...> - 2009-07-24 18:34:21
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Thanks guys, was funny but I imagine to use "--target" thanks to the help that xmlvm command line display :) Now thanks to your big help gave, I will try to make a helloWorld which will hit the walls depending on the x and y origin, just to test your application (the java-based iphone emulator). Changing the subject, can anyone explain me how to use the code, generated by the xmlvm, in the iphone when I compiled the class with the following: %xmlvm% --in=holaMundo.class --target=iphone --iphone-app=holaMundo --out="./salida/" take into account that %xmlvm% is equal to "java -jar xmlvm.jar". My goal is to pass the compile code to a friend and he test it in his iphone (I don't have Iphone or Itouch in the meanwhile) Can I use the code in a simple ipod? Of course without the wireless connection and touchscreen functions. I noticed that the project is not document and making use of the javadoc functionality. Sorry for being annoying, but will you document it?, should be a great help. *HINT:* you should include the images of the Iphone into one of the JARs, at the beggining I was expecting to run the helloWorld and see a pop-up screen with the result instead of a displaying error. *PS.:* excuse my English, I'm improving it. *PS.:* I will try to make a plugin to eclipse in order to use your project. (Just to learn how to make a plugin and who knows if that helps the users) |
From: Sascha H. <sa...@gm...> - 2009-07-24 15:35:30
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Oh yes, thanks Arno. I was looking at the wrong file. I added a Deprecation to the old arguments file now :) // Sascha On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Arno Puder <ar...@pu...> wrote: > > a little clarification to Sascha's message: > > In the meantime, you can try to specify a concrete output. For example try >> adding "--objc", "--js", "--python" or "--cpp". These should work and >> produce output. Let me know if this works or doesn't. >> > > You should do --target=objc, --target=js, etc. What Sascha has written is > the old-style command line argument that we are trying to get away from. > > Arno > > |
From: Arno P. <ar...@pu...> - 2009-07-24 14:44:53
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a little clarification to Sascha's message: > In the meantime, you can try to specify a concrete output. For example > try adding "--objc", "--js", "--python" or "--cpp". These should work > and produce output. Let me know if this works or doesn't. You should do --target=objc, --target=js, etc. What Sascha has written is the old-style command line argument that we are trying to get away from. Arno |
From: Sascha H. <sa...@gm...> - 2009-07-24 11:45:47
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Hi Daniel, first of all thank for reposting to the mailing list. I now closed the forums to avoid further confusion. To your problem: This is actually not your problem, you've done everything absolutely right. I could go into explaining you that we are currently rebuilding some of the XMLVM infrastructure and the new one doesn't support XMLVM output yet, but that doesn't help you. As you are currently building without any other options, XMLVM tries to convert your class file into XMLVM (XML format). However, the output module for this is not yet converted to this new infrastructure. However, this shouldn't be a big problem and I will do this on the weekend and will let you know. In the meantime, you can try to specify a concrete output. For example try adding "--objc", "--js", "--python" or "--cpp". These should work and produce output. Let me know if this works or doesn't. // Sascha On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Daniel Branco <db...@gm...> wrote: > Support Requests item #2826246, was opened at 2009-07-24 00:15 > Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by rcdabo > You can respond by visiting: > > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=973063&aid=2826246&group_id=200328 > > Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment > thread, > including the initial issue submission, for this request, > not just the latest update. > Category: None > Group: None > Status: Open > Priority: 5 > Private: No > Submitted By: Daniel Branco (rcdabo) > Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) > Summary: Problem compiling with java -jar xmlvm.jar > > Initial Comment: > Hello, > > I am new using XmlVM, I must say that is an interesting and flexible > project which I'm attracted to. > > Anyway, I'm confuse about how to use it. I downloaded Java 6 update 14, > Eclipse JEE Galileo, Subeclipse, then connect to svn repository give by you > and download the whole repository, last version of Apache ant command. > Finally I "ant" the repository and get the dist directory as the > documentation says, but after this some interesting things happened. When I > run "java -jar xmlvm.jar" an error display "Error: Need at least one --in > argument" > > Then in order to test the "in", "out" and "target" options. I create an > environment variable "%xmlvm%=java -jar xmlvm.jar" simulating an alias in > unix. Then I just made a class in Eclipse adding reference to the xmlvm JARs > build it and then launching the following (the class contain the same code > to iHelloWorld example): > > %xmlvm% --in=holaMundo.class --out="C:/" > > and got: > > [07/23/09 23:53:57.906] DEBUG: Instantiated: org.xmlvm.proc.in. > ClassInputProcess > [07/23/09 23:53:57.906] DEBUG: Instantiated: > org.xmlvm.proc.in.ClassInputProcess for "holaMundo.class" > [07/23/09 23:53:57.906] ERROR: Could not create OutputProcess for target > 'XMLVM'. > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException > at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) > at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) > at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) > at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source) > at com.simontuffs.onejar.Boot.run(Boot.java:306) > at com.simontuffs.onejar.Boot.main(Boot.java:159) > Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException > at > org.xmlvm.proc.XmlvmProcessor.filterNotYetProcessedProcessed(XmlvmProcessor.java:196) > at > org.xmlvm.proc.XmlvmProcessor.buildProcessingPipeline0(XmlvmProcessor.java:144) > at > org.xmlvm.proc.XmlvmProcessor.buildProcessingPipeline(XmlvmProcessor.java:139) > at org.xmlvm.proc.XmlvmProcessor.process(XmlvmProcessor.java:101) > at org.xmlvm.proc.NewMain.main(NewMain.java:55) > ... 6 more > > Please Could you tell me what is wrong with steps. > > PS.: It is intented to build a plugin for Eclipse,isn't it? In that case I > would like to learn and collaborate with the project, if it is possible and > you allow it, which I think that deserve a great help as many people could > take benefit from it. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > xmlvm-users mailing list > xml...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users > > |
From: Daniel B. <db...@gm...> - 2009-07-24 07:25:16
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Support Requests item #2826246, was opened at 2009-07-24 00:15 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by rcdabo You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=973063&aid=2826246&group_id=200328 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: None Group: None Status: Open Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Daniel Branco (rcdabo) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Problem compiling with java -jar xmlvm.jar Initial Comment: Hello, I am new using XmlVM, I must say that is an interesting and flexible project which I'm attracted to. Anyway, I'm confuse about how to use it. I downloaded Java 6 update 14, Eclipse JEE Galileo, Subeclipse, then connect to svn repository give by you and download the whole repository, last version of Apache ant command. Finally I "ant" the repository and get the dist directory as the documentation says, but after this some interesting things happened. When I run "java -jar xmlvm.jar" an error display "Error: Need at least one --in argument" Then in order to test the "in", "out" and "target" options. I create an environment variable "%xmlvm%=java -jar xmlvm.jar" simulating an alias in unix. Then I just made a class in Eclipse adding reference to the xmlvm JARs build it and then launching the following (the class contain the same code to iHelloWorld example): %xmlvm% --in=holaMundo.class --out="C:/" and got: [07/23/09 23:53:57.906] DEBUG: Instantiated: org.xmlvm.proc.in. ClassInputProcess [07/23/09 23:53:57.906] DEBUG: Instantiated: org.xmlvm.proc.in.ClassInputProcess for "holaMundo.class" [07/23/09 23:53:57.906] ERROR: Could not create OutputProcess for target 'XMLVM'. Exception in thread "main" java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source) at com.simontuffs.onejar.Boot.run(Boot.java:306) at com.simontuffs.onejar.Boot.main(Boot.java:159) Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException at org.xmlvm.proc.XmlvmProcessor.filterNotYetProcessedProcessed(XmlvmProcessor.java:196) at org.xmlvm.proc.XmlvmProcessor.buildProcessingPipeline0(XmlvmProcessor.java:144) at org.xmlvm.proc.XmlvmProcessor.buildProcessingPipeline(XmlvmProcessor.java:139) at org.xmlvm.proc.XmlvmProcessor.process(XmlvmProcessor.java:101) at org.xmlvm.proc.NewMain.main(NewMain.java:55) ... 6 more Please Could you tell me what is wrong with steps. PS.: It is intented to build a plugin for Eclipse,isn't it? In that case I would like to learn and collaborate with the project, if it is possible and you allow it, which I think that deserve a great help as many people could take benefit from it. |
From: Sascha H. <sa...@gm...> - 2009-07-17 20:25:19
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Hi James, php output is definitely possible and something we thought about in the past. However our current focus does not include PHP at the moment. If you would like to contribute to that, we would of course be very happy and guide you wherever possible to make it happen. // Sascha On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM, James Linehan <jli...@sc...> wrote: > Hi > > Is there any consideration for developing a PHP output option for the xmlvm > > Thanks > James > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge > This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, > vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have > the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize > details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge > _______________________________________________ > xmlvm-users mailing list > xml...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xmlvm-users > |
From: James L. <jli...@sc...> - 2009-07-17 18:01:47
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Hi Is there any consideration for developing a PHP output option for the xmlvm Thanks James |