Re: [xmlvm-users] will XMLVM comply with appstore for OS4?

[Joris V. <jbv...@gm...>]

While that's what most developers understand (esp. game developers),
it's not what the license agreement states.


On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 14:02, Kühn Wolfgang <wo....@en...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> the note by Gergely is the most accurate synthesis concerning cross-language
> tools and the changed
>
> iPhone Developer Program License Agreement.
>
>
>
> Apple has an interest to create a market for quality software which does
> support and
>
> makes use of their innovative hardware.
>
>
>
> It is not in their interest to make an iDevice look like any other Android
> or Flash gadget.
>
>
>
> So why not provide the community with tools to create iPhone specific
> software based on the
>
> Java stack. And doing so by focusing on the strength of the Java (or Scala
> or any other JVM)
>
> language and its tool chain, and not by emulating a particular Java
> framework.
>
>
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> My belief is that Apple will be less reluctant to object to this strategy
> the less their hardware
>
> is exposed to most-cross-compatible applications.
>
>
>
> Greetings, Wolfgang
>
> ________________________________
> Von: Gergely Kis [mailto:ger...@ma...]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Mai 2010 12:02
> An: xml...@li...
> Betreff: Re: [xmlvm-users] will XMLVM comply with appstore for OS4?
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> I am not sure it is possible to take the Android code and just recompile it
> for the iPhone. Technically, it might be feasible with implementing as much
> of the Android API as possible, so that "80%" of applications compile fine.
>
> However, the main issue is the difference in the platforms: both at the
> framework and at the UI level.
>
> At framework level (just 2 examples):
> - Android has the very powerful Intent system, iPhone has no such thing. It
> can be emulated for intra-app intents, but for complex apps, which are
> designed to have separate service processes ... etc. it won't work.
> - File management concepts are different: in iPhone there is a very specific
> structure your app has to follow in terms of file placement. On Android you
> are much more on your own: you can use data directory, sdcard ... etc.
>
> At the UI level:
> - The iPhone Human Interface Guidelines are not compatible with the Android
> "Guidelines / Best Practices". For example: navigation bars at the top of
> the screen, no exit function on the iPhone ... etc.
>
> If an application is not HIG compliant the chances are good that Apple will
> reject it during the review process. It would also open up an "attack
> surface" against XMLVM, because it would seem that XMLVM apps are not
> "native" apps.
>
> In my opinion it would be a far better strategy to concentrate on making
> XMLVM a porting tool, by acknowledging the fact, that
> - you will probably have to redo the UI for each platform
> - you will need to adapt the backend to the platforms limitations (e.g. no
> bluetooth comms in iphone, or no in app purchase api in android)
> - you should try to organize the software so that the majority of the code
> still sits in the business layer, which can be moved between platforms
> without touching it by hand.
>
> So in my opinion the focus should be:
> - Provide a complete Java Iphone API, so really all iPhone features can be
> accessed from Java
> - Provide better tooling: This basically means incremental compilation, IDE
> integration, JUnit support and debugger support (I think I came up a better
> solution than Arno's proposal, I just have to write it up).
>
> Of course these are just my thoughts, one of the great things about
> open-source is that everyone can work on parts they see as important, and we
> can all put together what we have and create something great.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Best Regards,
> Gergely
>
> 2010/5/26 Dr. Alexander K. Seewald <al...@se...>
>>
>> Sorry for the late reply, but my app is also still in the App Store
>> and sells reasonably well...
>> http://itunes.apple.com/de/app/id365473377
>>
>> Kudos to the development team to switch the license to LGPL! In fact
>> this suggests one safe way to prevent Apple from delisting
>> XMLVM-ported apps: porting as many apps as possible to the platform!
>> Once there are at least a few popular apps among them, Apple will
>> find it hard to prevent people from using XMLVM to port their apps.
>> With the half a dozen that are currently in there, it would still be
>> easy for Apple to "pull the plug".
>>
>> I hereby suggest a Google Summer-of-Code project where Android
>> developers can contribute their app code and get iPhone versions
>> back. These could be made available as free apps via the development
>> team's account (since a lot of people might not want to install
>> XCode/MacOS and get an iPhone for testing) or given back to the
>> developers to list on their own (this could now also be done for
>> paid apps). Instead of porting one app at a time, we'd create tools
>> to port a lot of apps at once and address remaining issues with XMLVM
>> by highest frequency first. The goal would be to plug in the Android code
>> and get out the iPhone code without any changes in the application. Surely
>> Google should be interested in that, perhaps we can get a contribute
>> your code link on the main Android development page? ;-)
>>
>> I can help with scripting and automating the porting of so many apps,
>> also with compiling (I've got an VMWare image w/ MacOS/XCode for
>> Intel - debugging does not work on AMD, everything else does). Some
>> local people here in Austria have also expressed interest. I don't
>> have a clue what needs to be done to set up a Summer-of-Code
>> project, or how best to get developers to contribute their Android
>> code for porting. I am afraid we are too late for this year, but
>> perhaps next year would be a ok.
>>
>> Best,
>>  Alex
>> --
>> Dr. Alexander K. Seewald
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