Re: [xmlvm-users] Apple agreements

[Arno P. <ar...@pu...>]

I did not call Apple's practices illegal. I was merely pointing out the 
fact that the US justice department is considering an anti trust case 
against Apple. You are perfectly right: Apple can do whatever they want 
with their platform. Its a little sad the way Apple is treating 
developers considering they are contributing to the success of the 
iPhone platform with all these AppStore applications.

However, I will say that just because Apple says so, it doesn't make it 
right. I know for a fact that XMLVM applications are being accepted by 
Apple although the submitters have agreed to the latest SDK license 
agreement (which from my perspective only underlines the fact that 
Apple's argument for poor performance are just a distraction).

I would urge you to read this story:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704688604575125510326010610.html

Some laws just don't make any sense.

Arno


On 5/22/10 10:20 PM, Mark Wolfskehl wrote:
>>
>> Apple is free to write whatever they want in their license
>> agreement. It
>> is a whole different question whether their license
>> agreement complies
>> with various national laws. There are some stories that
>> Apple may face
>> some antitrust inquiry in the US:
>> http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/05/03/1952258/Apple-May-Face-Antitrust-Inquiry?art_pos=28
>>
>> What Apple is doing right now is to create FUD (fear,
>> uncertainty,
>> doubt). There is little point to debate what they mean by
>> "originally
>> written in Objective-C". I refuse to even speculate what
>> they might mean
>> by that, because I don't want to succumb to FUD. At this
>> point I am not
>> aware that Apple has rejected any application written with
>> the help of
>> XMLVM. Our own showcase application Xokoban is certainly
>> still in the
>> AppStore:
>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xokoban/id322302746?mt=8
>>
>> Arno
>>
> Hi Arno,
>
> I understand your frustration, as I'm sure Apple's new policy is throwing a whole business model into question.
>
> I don't like the policy myself, but I wouldn't go so far as terming it illegal.  The fact is that Apple is providing a proprietary product, in this case their iPhone SDK, under certain terms.  Nobody is being forced to accept those terms - they are free to walk away and say 'no thanks' to the SDK.
>
> Apple is making a calculation that people will not walk away from the platform.  But if people find that the terms are too onerous, they should walk away and prove Apple wrong.  If they do not, then they are agreeing that the terms are in fact acceptable when considering things overall and they are freely accepting the terms.
>
> So, from my perspective, if developers don't like Apple, then they should vote against them by walking away from their platform.  If not, business is business and since their acceptance means even under the new terms they think they can make money, that's all there is to it.
>
> I myself own an Android phone and not an iPhone.  I'm happy with it, and its open nature and Google's willingness to accept most applications into their store should make it attractive to developers.  So, there is an alternative.
>
> As for XMLVM, I do think it is very interesting just from a technology perspective, and it might not be a bad idea to just apply the technology to a different platform.  There must be businesses out there who would welcome the opportunity for compiled Java on their servers or other infrastructure for added performance - just to throw out an idea.
>
> Personally, I think it would be useful to translate JVM bytecode to .NET to be able to deploy Java  programs on Windows without requiring the user to install the JRE.  I know that's the opposite direction from what has been implemented, but I just wanted to put it out there as a suggestion.
>
> I hope you're able to find a profitable market for XMLVM.  There should be other applications out there, so I'm sure you'll work through it.
>
> Mark
>
>
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