xmldb-org-general

[Xmldb-org-general] XUpdate and spam problem on mailing lists

[Uche O. <Uch...@fo...>]

Well, folks seem to be eager to write XUpdate off:

http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200504/msg00678.html

Personally, I think XUpdate is one of the most successful and useful
outputs of XML:DB, and that it's worth some effort to save from any
supposed obsolescence.

I think we have several problems:

1) The mailings lists are spam-ridden.  XUpdate is especially hard his.
I can imagine it's driven a lot of folks away.  Doesn't SF have some
sort of spam control?  If not, should we consider a Google group for
XUpdate?  I'm willing to take on the task to set one up, if need be.

2) Finally wrapping up the specs.  I <gulp> volunteer to make a first
pass at it, depending on resolution of other points I've brought up.

3) A clear location.  Maybe:

http://www.xmldatabases.org/xupdate ?

Maybe create a separate "xupdate" project on SourceForge?

Maybe get xupdate.org?

Could anyone help me compile a list of implementations?  I'll start by
mentioning the ones I know:

* 4Suite.  http://4suite.org XUpdate command line tool and Python API
* xmldiff - XUpdate-based XML diff and merge in Python
* XIndice
* eXist
* Lexus
* dbxml
* Orbeon
* X-Hive
* Jaxup (http://klomp.org/jaxup/)
* Mobius Mako Command Line Utilities
http://projectmobius.osu.edu/docs/makocl.php
* RxUpdate (http://rx4rdf.liminalzone.org/RxUpdate), and "enhanced"
implementation
* XML-XUpdate-LibXML (http://search.cpan.org/~pajas/XML-XUpdate-
LibXML-0.5.0/), Perl implementation

Thanks.


-- 
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Re: [Xmldb-org-general] XUpdate and spam problem on mailing lists

[Per N. <per...@us...>]

s=F6ndagen den 24 april 2005 07.41 skrev Uche Ogbuji:
> Well, folks seem to be eager to write XUpdate off:
>
> http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200504/msg00678.html
>
> Personally, I think XUpdate is one of the most successful and useful
> outputs of XML:DB, and that it's worth some effort to save from any
> supposed obsolescence.
>
> I think we have several problems:
>
> 1) The mailings lists are spam-ridden.  XUpdate is especially hard his.
> I can imagine it's driven a lot of folks away.  Doesn't SF have some
> sort of spam control?  If not, should we consider a Google group for
> XUpdate?  I'm willing to take on the task to set one up, if need be.

Yes I did set up spam control about 1-2 months ago. As you probably have se=
en,=20
there is no spam coming in anymore.

>
> 2) Finally wrapping up the specs.  I <gulp> volunteer to make a first
> pass at it, depending on resolution of other points I've brought up.

Great!

>
> 3) A clear location.  Maybe:
>
> http://www.xmldatabases.org/xupdate ?

Currently it is
http://xmldb-org.sourceforge.net/xupdate/

is that not clear?

>
> Maybe create a separate "xupdate" project on SourceForge?
>
> Maybe get xupdate.org?

If it grows big then yes but I do not see the need for that right now.

>
> Could anyone help me compile a list of implementations?  I'll start by
> mentioning the ones I know:
>
> * 4Suite.  http://4suite.org XUpdate command line tool and Python API
> * xmldiff - XUpdate-based XML diff and merge in Python
> * XIndice
> * eXist
> * Lexus
> * dbxml
> * Orbeon
> * X-Hive
> * Jaxup (http://klomp.org/jaxup/)
> * Mobius Mako Command Line Utilities
> http://projectmobius.osu.edu/docs/makocl.php
> * RxUpdate (http://rx4rdf.liminalzone.org/RxUpdate), and "enhanced"
> implementation
> * XML-XUpdate-LibXML (http://search.cpan.org/~pajas/XML-XUpdate-
> LibXML-0.5.0/), Perl implementation
>
> Thanks.

Re: [Xmldb-org-general] XUpdate and spam problem on mailing lists

[Uche O. <uch...@fo...>]

On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 15:38 +0200, Per Nyfelt wrote:
> s=F6ndagen den 24 april 2005 07.41 skrev Uche Ogbuji:
> > Well, folks seem to be eager to write XUpdate off:
> >
> > http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/200504/msg00678.html
> >
> > Personally, I think XUpdate is one of the most successful and useful
> > outputs of XML:DB, and that it's worth some effort to save from any
> > supposed obsolescence.
> >
> > I think we have several problems:
> >
> > 1) The mailings lists are spam-ridden.  XUpdate is especially hard hi=
s.
> > I can imagine it's driven a lot of folks away.  Doesn't SF have some
> > sort of spam control?  If not, should we consider a Google group for
> > XUpdate?  I'm willing to take on the task to set one up, if need be.
>=20
> Yes I did set up spam control about 1-2 months ago. As you probably hav=
e seen,=20
> there is no spam coming in anymore.

I haven't seen that.  My own spam filters never let any through, so I
didn't notice all the spam until I looked at the archives.

Thanks for installing the controls.

> > 3) A clear location.  Maybe:
> >
> > http://www.xmldatabases.org/xupdate ?
>=20
> Currently it is
> http://xmldb-org.sourceforge.net/xupdate/
>=20
> is that not clear?

I would have thought so, but if you look at the XML-DEV thread which i
posted, apparently others don't think so.


> > Maybe create a separate "xupdate" project on SourceForge?
> >
> > Maybe get xupdate.org?
>=20
> If it grows big then yes but I do not see the need for that right now.

Well, at the very least we should move Kimbro's use cases to the same
place as the specs.

I'd still like to know if I'm missing any implementations from my list
(or if I have any stale info):

> > Could anyone help me compile a list of implementations?  I'll start b=
y
> > mentioning the ones I know:
> >
> > * 4Suite.  http://4suite.org XUpdate command line tool and Python API
> > * xmldiff - XUpdate-based XML diff and merge in Python
> > * XIndice
> > * eXist
> > * Lexus
> > * dbxml
> > * Orbeon
> > * X-Hive
> > * Jaxup (http://klomp.org/jaxup/)
> > * Mobius Mako Command Line Utilities
> > http://projectmobius.osu.edu/docs/makocl.php
> > * RxUpdate (http://rx4rdf.liminalzone.org/RxUpdate), and "enhanced"
> > implementation
> > * XML-XUpdate-LibXML (http://search.cpan.org/~pajas/XML-XUpdate-
> > LibXML-0.5.0/), Perl implementation
> >
> > Thanks.
--=20
Uche Ogbuji                               Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net                    http://fourthought.com
http://copia.ogbuji.net                   http://4Suite.org
Use CSS to display XML, part 2 - http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/ed=
u/x-dw-x-xmlcss2-i.html
XML Output with 4Suite & Amara - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/04/20/py-x=
ml.html
Use XSLT to prepare XML for import into OpenOffice Calc - http://www.ibm.=
com/developerworks/xml/library/x-oocalc/
Schema standardization for top-down semantic transparency - http://www-12=
8.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think31.html

Re: [Xmldb-org-general] XUpdate and spam problem on mailing lists

[Per N. <per...@us...>]

s=F6ndagen den 24 april 2005 16.11 skrev Uche Ogbuji:
>
snip...
> > > 3) A clear location.  Maybe:
> > >
> > > http://www.xmldatabases.org/xupdate ?
> >
> > Currently it is
> > http://xmldb-org.sourceforge.net/xupdate/
> >
> > is that not clear?
>
> I would have thought so, but if you look at the XML-DEV thread which i
> posted, apparently others don't think so.

I think it is probably a case of not enough links to the site in the right=
=20
places. I someone could ask Kimbro to add a link to to the current location=
=20
of the XML:DB home page (http://xmldb-org.sourceforge.net ) and Xupdate=20
(http://xmldb-org.sourceforge.net/xupdate/) that would be great.

>
> > > Maybe create a separate "xupdate" project on SourceForge?
> > >
> > > Maybe get xupdate.org?
> >
> > If it grows big then yes but I do not see the need for that right now.
>
> Well, at the very least we should move Kimbro's use cases to the same
> place as the specs.

Yes, good idea. Since it seems you have some time to devote to this I like =
to=20
propose you as committer on the project and also ability to update the web=
=20
pages. Please let me know if I have understood you correctly and this is in=
=20
line with your ideas.

>
> I'd still like to know if I'm missing any implementations from my list
>
> (or if I have any stale info):

Ozone also supports XUpdate.

> > > Could anyone help me compile a list of implementations?  I'll start by
> > > mentioning the ones I know:
> > >
> > > * 4Suite.  http://4suite.org XUpdate command line tool and Python API
> > > * xmldiff - XUpdate-based XML diff and merge in Python
> > > * XIndice
> > > * eXist
> > > * Lexus
> > > * dbxml
> > > * Orbeon
> > > * X-Hive
> > > * Jaxup (http://klomp.org/jaxup/)
> > > * Mobius Mako Command Line Utilities
> > > http://projectmobius.osu.edu/docs/makocl.php
> > > * RxUpdate (http://rx4rdf.liminalzone.org/RxUpdate), and "enhanced"
> > > implementation
> > > * XML-XUpdate-LibXML (http://search.cpan.org/~pajas/XML-XUpdate-
> > > LibXML-0.5.0/), Perl implementation
> > >
> > > Thanks.

Best regards,
Per

Re: [Xmldb-org-general] XUpdate and spam problem on mailing lists

[Uche O. <uch...@fo...>]

On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 17:44 +0200, Per Nyfelt wrote:
> s=F6ndagen den 24 april 2005 16.11 skrev Uche Ogbuji:

> > > > Maybe create a separate "xupdate" project on SourceForge?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe get xupdate.org?
> > >
> > > If it grows big then yes but I do not see the need for that right n=
ow.
> >
> > Well, at the very least we should move Kimbro's use cases to the same
> > place as the specs.
>=20
> Yes, good idea. Since it seems you have some time to devote to this I l=
ike to=20
> propose you as committer on the project and also ability to update the =
web=20
> pages. Please let me know if I have understood you correctly and this i=
s in=20
> line with your ideas.

I don't have time, but I'm speaking in the possibly vain hope that I can
find a way to carve out a few slices here and there.  Go ahead and add
me as a committer.  SF id is "uche".  I'll do what I can.

If you contact Kimbro about the links, please also ask about permission
to copy his use-cases page.  I'm quite sure I can at least muster time
to copy those files over.


> > I'd still like to know if I'm missing any implementations from my lis=
t
> >
> > (or if I have any stale info):
>=20
> Ozone also supports XUpdate.

Thanks.


--=20
Uche Ogbuji                               Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net                    http://fourthought.com
http://copia.ogbuji.net                   http://4Suite.org
Use CSS to display XML, part 2 - http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/ed=
u/x-dw-x-xmlcss2-i.html
XML Output with 4Suite & Amara - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/04/20/py-x=
ml.html
Use XSLT to prepare XML for import into OpenOffice Calc - http://www.ibm.=
com/developerworks/xml/library/x-oocalc/
Schema standardization for top-down semantic transparency - http://www-12=
8.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think31.html

Re: [Xmldb-org-xupdate] Re: [Xmldb-org-general] XUpdate and spam problem on mailing lists

[Uche O. <Uch...@fo...>]

On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 10:33 -0600, Uche Ogbuji wrote:
> I don't have time, but I'm speaking in the possibly vain hope that I can
> find a way to carve out a few slices here and there.

I at least found the time for this:

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6935

-- 
Uche Ogbuji                               Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net                    http://fourthought.com
http://copia.ogbuji.net                   http://4Suite.org
Use CSS to display XML, part 2 - http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/x-dw-x-xmlcss2-i.html
XML Output with 4Suite & Amara - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/04/20/py-xml.html
Use XSLT to prepare XML for import into OpenOffice Calc - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-oocalc/
Schema standardization for top-down semantic transparency - http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think31.html