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#42 printing from-to takes physical pages (iunexpectedly)

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2003-11-28
2003-11-13
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Its problematic to printa range of pages from a
document whose phyiscal page numbers does not match
logical ones (eg LaTeX-Pages): As the page numbers
shown in the sidebar do not match the physical page
numbers, the right numbers for the first and the last
page are hard to guess.

If you aren't aware of this issue then you first
printout goes wrong for sure. Mayby give a hint in the
print dialog?

Discussion

  • Stefan Ulrich

    Stefan Ulrich - 2003-11-13

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    > As the page numbers
    > shown in the sidebar do not match the physical page
    > numbers, the right numbers for the first and the last
    > page are hard to guess.

    OK. If you have selected a page in the pagelist before
    opening the window, this page number will be used as default
    value for `from' and `to'. It doesn't work when
    closing/opening again since the old values will be used (so
    that user-entered values are not overwritten). Note that if
    you're unsure which pages to print, you can always mark them
    in the page list by dragging Mouse-2 over them.

    (Side note: it's neccessary for the print dialog to behave
    this way, otherwise there would be an ambiguity for e.g. the
    pages iv and 4. It's a bug in dvips' -pp option that it
    can't be used with physical pages, which is why we couldn't
    use that option in the first place ...).

    Do you think that replacing `From ... to ... of x' by `From
    ... to ... of x physical pages' would be enough? Note that
    the difference between x and the number of the last page
    shown in the page list wasn't ;-)

     
  • Stefan Ulrich

    Stefan Ulrich - 2003-11-14
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  • Stefan Ulrich

    Stefan Ulrich - 2003-11-14

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    > Do you think that replacing `From ... to ... of x' by `From
    > ... to ... of x physical pages' would be enough?

    Implemented in 22.77.3-RC12.

     
  • Anonymous

    Anonymous - 2003-11-14

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    Already closed - I was too slow.

    Stefan, your change is an improvement. But still it is hard
    to guess phisical pages from logical ones. How about a
    window stating

    The range ... to ... of physical pages is the range ... to
    ... of logical pages. OK? Cancel?

     
  • Anonymous

    Anonymous - 2003-11-14
    • status: closed-fixed --> closed
     
  • Stefan Ulrich

    Stefan Ulrich - 2003-11-14

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    I don't like this suggestion since

    - one shouldn't have popups that may confuse the user and/or
    need thinking for more than, say, 1 second (such popups are
    just annoying), and

    - the concept `range of logical pages' is inherently messy.

    E.g. if you have frontmatter i to iv, and mainmatter from 1
    to 4, then you'll get things like:

    `Physical pages from 3 to 6 are logical pages from 3 to 2'.

    (we can't access the roman numeral representation.) I would
    find such a message rather confusing. Moreover, slides often
    all have number `1' by default, and you can have as many
    logical ranges as you want (standard LaTeX has 2 sections,
    but files created by makeinfo often have 3 (with negative
    numbers at the end; e.g. check `texdoc dvips').
    So you'll also get stuff like:

    `Physical pages from 3 to 8 are logical pages from 1 to 1'.
    `Physical pages from 3 to 8 are logical pages from 1 to -1'.

    I'd rather change the dialog so that as long as you don't
    edit the text field, the physical number of the current page
    is automatically copied into it.

     
  • Stefan Ulrich

    Stefan Ulrich - 2003-11-14
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  • Anonymous

    Anonymous - 2003-11-14

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    OK, I understand.

    But there should be an easy way to connect the logical and
    the physical page number - maybe give the pysical page
    number (on request?) along with the logical one in the page
    list (in brackets?).

    Just wild ideas.

     
  • Stefan Ulrich

    Stefan Ulrich - 2003-11-14

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    Hmm. Maybe the cleanest solution would be to have the `Use
    TeX pages' toggle everything, not only `goto-page()', so
    that the page list would show the physical pages if the
    option was switched off (and printing would accept TeX pages
    if they were enabled, no matter how ambiguous).

     
  • Stefan Ulrich

    Stefan Ulrich - 2003-11-25

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    Pagelist now shows physical pages unless `Use TeX pages' is
    selcted (22.77.3).

     
  • Stefan Ulrich

    Stefan Ulrich - 2003-11-28
    • status: open --> closed
     
  • Stefan Ulrich

    Stefan Ulrich - 2003-11-28
    • assigned_to: nobody --> stefanulrich
     

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