RE: AW: [Xbox-linux] cvs cromwell build

[Paul B. <pau...@ve...>]

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>> So now we're approaching a closer time frame. Xbox-Linux meetings
>> progress and new cromwell features are suggested, each time these are
>> suggested Franz's opinion overrides all general consensus opinions.

cromwell is GPL, and in sourceforge CVS, correct?  Is there anything =
keeping contributors from checking-in changes that the general consensus =
wants added (regardless of what a single 'member' of Xbox-Linux may =
think)?  (I really don't know the answer to this question: I've never =
attempted a cvs 'commit' on a public GPL/sourceforge project, so I don't =
know if there are 'protections' on the code that keep 'non-owners' from =
making changes).

>> But I'm tired of seeing one person consistently attempting to drive
>> away people who WANT to help! Its a good thing that cromwell is a GPL
>> project!

I 100% agree!  Open-source/GPL should be *encouraging* others to make =
suggestions, code contributions, etc.  'Flaming' people when they try to =
help is definitely the wrong idea, and I think 99.9% of the Xbox-Linux =
community would agree.

(note: (I really shouldn't have to say this, but...) my response above =
makes no attacks on any individual (I think it's just 'common sense'))

- - Paulb




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Subject: Re: AW: [Xbox-linux] cvs cromwell build


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> people without knowlege of development status shouldnever try to make
> "patches" or anything you need.
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> you can download the binary from the download sections, tehy are
> verified to work.
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> franz
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Well it makes perfect sense that Xbox-Linux gets accused of not working
together as a team when there's attitudes and responses like this.

<history>
Ah how that old axiom comes back ever so true, "the more things change =
the
more they stay the same". It wasn't that long ago when we started having
meetings in IRC, and problems arose between Franz and Andy. Both were
talented coders. Both had different ideas of how cromwell should work, =
and
where it should be headed. Franz accused Andy of being too protective of
cromwell, Andy accused Franz of making cosmetic changes and claiming =
them
to be fixes. Problems escalated and turned into all out flame wars =
between
Franz and Andy, with lots of name calling. The end result of this =
dispute,
Andy and Milosch left the project. Life continues on... Everything =
appears
normal, then Franz returns on a rampage. This time worse than ever, this
time more flaming. Franz accuses just about everyone on irc of bad
mouthing him, making false bug reports etc. End result Franz leaves the
project citing me as the reason with the infamous phrase "tj =3D
'mutherfucker'". As time goes by things remain calm, though people =
notice
Franz still replying on the Mailing list, and still making cvs commits.
Outside the Xbox-Linux project problems arise between Andy and Franz
again! This time Franz accuses Andy of accepting money from modchip
makers. While that flame war goes on and dies out we see Franz's moniker
hamtitampi show up in various xbox-scene, xboxhacker, and maxconsole =
forum
posts. This time with a more sinister context. Franz in an effort to win
the hearts and minds of the much broader Xbox Hacker community flexes =
his
Xbox knowledge, and stops just short of saying "I helped code software
exploits". Though anyone who watched his rantings in IRC and forums, and
compared freex posts to his own writing could easily have derived just
that. So now we're approaching a closer time frame. Xbox-Linux meetings
progress and new cromwell features are suggested, each time these are
suggested Franz's opinion overrides all general consensus opinions.
Features like HDD Ghosting, EEPROM editing, Retail Bios launching via
Cromwell are all shot down by proxy through communication from other
members. Only for people to hear rumblings of a commerical venture that
Franz has a hand in includes all these features. Not that Franz wasn't
able to come up with these ideas on his own, it will just end up looking
like Xbox-Linux has lost all coders and must now only imitate others, =
when
obviously the opposite is true.
</history>

So here we are at the present, GCC stable version up to 3.3 and being
included in most contemporary distros as well as unstable branches of
debian. Cromwell can't be compiled without a good knowledge of C and
getting rid of -Wall. The makefiles are ridiculously a mess, and require
you to build from scratch each time you might make an insignificant
change. So we've finally got some feedback from new users and old, with
some knowledge who want to be able to help. Oskie and Anders start =
mocking
up some changes to the current tree, largely janitorial work. Some =
people
start applying the patches and attempt to get them to work, and respond =
on
the mailing list. Note these patches haven't been applied to the CVS, =
they
could have been if precedent were followed. But how does a person who
isn't even on the Xbox-Linux team and is monetarily benefiting from =
large
works of code and MCPX tricks that noone other than the original coder
knew, respond? "Don't fuck with my code". Not to mention giving the
impression of standoffishness, which isn't really helpful to a team
enviroment. And saying "no idea of development status" is your own =
fault,
because you don't TELL US! No one knows whats going on, it just happens.
Shallax is right, when it comes to certain code, we definitely are NOT a
team. But I'm tired of seeing one person consistently attempting to =
drive
away people who WANT to help! Its a good thing that cromwell is a GPL
project! That means if anyone takes the codebase and releases a binary
only copy with changes to cromwell they've no choice but to release =
their
modifications. (Thats not a warning thats a threat)

So in short, you're either for us or against us. Don't claim to not be a
part of the team but still make commits either by proxy or directly, and
don't flame our users or contributors, and by all means DON'T BAD MOUTH
OUR DEVELS!

Yours truly
tj (mutherfucker) fontaine


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