AW: AW: [Xbox-linux] cvs cromwell build

[Lehner F. <fr...@ca...>]

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good story tj. (i not even read it)

maybe you should think about yourself
and the ideas you started, and never build.
like the GLP dash or so
you are very good and talented in telling people what to do, which is
99% shit.

andy and milosh not left the project because of me.

maybe you look a little back, and you will find out, that mid jan
both of them stopped coding as "in there minds" the project was over
=2E
=3D=3D no money anymore =3D=3D no further developemnt.

maybe tj, you forget, who discovered a lot of tricks , and did a lot.
i do not remeber you did them, or ?
(but i remember a lot of i did)

if you have ideas about cromwell, tell them .

i have logs here, where you tell people, my development can be never
stabile.
and you told me everything,
that i am an idiot too.

but this is something, typical americans try to forget.
like "ups, he was correct, his way was correct"
but this is something we ignore and only tell him now he is an idiot
too.
and tell things about andy / milosh / me which are not true.
maybe you try to tell this again, signed again too.
we will sure find an arrangement at court then.
(you know what a court is ?)

the fact is, you had been never told "WHY" it really happened.
but again, you try to be a lawer for andy&co again too.
it has it's reasons why he dissapeared.
I never made a "war" with words like andy.

look at the fucking shit he started against me a time ago.
This is like cow-shit he started.

Sure, i started again, logically. ???!

and btw:

as you are telling since 9 month everybody that my developemtn is
fuck
then why do you tell people to use my development ?

i think, this is again something "american-mysterious"
use the last andy release version 1.8 or so and stop writing here
anymore, as long as you are not making one project which goes further
as a makefile.

so keep silent and go back where you have been
"nowhere"

franz


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Betreff: Re: AW: [Xbox-linux] cvs cromwell build


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> people without knowlege of development status shouldnever try to
> make "patches" or anything you need.
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> you can download the binary from the download sections, tehy are
> verified to work.
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> franz
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Well it makes perfect sense that Xbox-Linux gets accused of not
working
together as a team when there's attitudes and responses like this.

<history>
Ah how that old axiom comes back ever so true, "the more things
change the
more they stay the same". It wasn't that long ago when we started
having
meetings in IRC, and problems arose between Franz and Andy. Both were
talented coders. Both had different ideas of how cromwell should
work, and
where it should be headed. Franz accused Andy of being too protective
of
cromwell, Andy accused Franz of making cosmetic changes and claiming
them
to be fixes. Problems escalated and turned into all out flame wars
between
Franz and Andy, with lots of name calling. The end result of this
dispute,
Andy and Milosch left the project. Life continues on... Everything
appears
normal, then Franz returns on a rampage. This time worse than ever,
this
time more flaming. Franz accuses just about everyone on irc of bad
mouthing him, making false bug reports etc. End result Franz leaves
the
project citing me as the reason with the infamous phrase "tj =3D
'mutherfucker'". As time goes by things remain calm, though people
notice
Franz still replying on the Mailing list, and still making cvs
commits.
Outside the Xbox-Linux project problems arise between Andy and Franz
again! This time Franz accuses Andy of accepting money from modchip
makers. While that flame war goes on and dies out we see Franz's
moniker
hamtitampi show up in various xbox-scene, xboxhacker, and maxconsole
forum
posts. This time with a more sinister context. Franz in an effort to
win
the hearts and minds of the much broader Xbox Hacker community flexes
his
Xbox knowledge, and stops just short of saying "I helped code
software
exploits". Though anyone who watched his rantings in IRC and forums,
and
compared freex posts to his own writing could easily have derived
just
that. So now we're approaching a closer time frame. Xbox-Linux
meetings
progress and new cromwell features are suggested, each time these are
suggested Franz's opinion overrides all general consensus opinions.
Features like HDD Ghosting, EEPROM editing, Retail Bios launching via
Cromwell are all shot down by proxy through communication from other
members. Only for people to hear rumblings of a commerical venture
that
Franz has a hand in includes all these features. Not that Franz
wasn't
able to come up with these ideas on his own, it will just end up
looking
like Xbox-Linux has lost all coders and must now only imitate others,
when
obviously the opposite is true.
</history>

So here we are at the present, GCC stable version up to 3.3 and being
included in most contemporary distros as well as unstable branches of
debian. Cromwell can't be compiled without a good knowledge of C and
getting rid of -Wall. The makefiles are ridiculously a mess, and
require
you to build from scratch each time you might make an insignificant
change. So we've finally got some feedback from new users and old,
with
some knowledge who want to be able to help. Oskie and Anders start
mocking
up some changes to the current tree, largely janitorial work. Some
people
start applying the patches and attempt to get them to work, and
respond on
the mailing list. Note these patches haven't been applied to the CVS,
they
could have been if precedent were followed. But how does a person who
isn't even on the Xbox-Linux team and is monetarily benefiting from
large
works of code and MCPX tricks that noone other than the original
coder
knew, respond? "Don't fuck with my code". Not to mention giving the
impression of standoffishness, which isn't really helpful to a team
enviroment. And saying "no idea of development status" is your own
fault,
because you don't TELL US! No one knows whats going on, it just
happens.
Shallax is right, when it comes to certain code, we definitely are
NOT a
team. But I'm tired of seeing one person consistently attempting to
drive
away people who WANT to help! Its a good thing that cromwell is a GPL
project! That means if anyone takes the codebase and releases a
binary
only copy with changes to cromwell they've no choice but to release
their
modifications. (Thats not a warning thats a threat)

So in short, you're either for us or against us. Don't claim to not
be a
part of the team but still make commits either by proxy or directly,
and
don't flame our users or contributors, and by all means DON'T BAD
MOUTH
OUR DEVELS!

Yours truly
tj (mutherfucker) fontaine


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