Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?

[Chuck H. <ch...@gl...>]

On Jun 29, 2007, at 5:06 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:

> And Chuck, while insane :), has a lot of valid points.  The
> Wonder team has to balance all of his requests against 1) completely
> breaking all the people who already use Wonder

I am becoming of the (heretical) opinion that this is justified _if_  
we want to increase adoption of Wonder.  I have done this before,  
though in  smaller cases, and my experience is that long term benefit  
greatly justifies the short term pain.


> and 2) the fact that  everyone working on Wonder has actual real jobs.

IMHO, that is more the real problem.   Do we, those working on Wonder  
and having real jobs on the side, really care about increasing  
adoption of Wonder?  Do we care enough to spend even more of our own  
time on it.  I am not sure that I do / can.  If we do, what is the  
benefit to us?  Maybe less whining about Wonder.  :-P  Maybe more  
people willing to add their code to Wonder rather than releasing yet  
another set of WO frameworks.  That would be a real, tangible  
benefit.  Will it happen?


> And I responded
> pretty carefully to Chuck's post, I think, explaining my opinions on
> what he said.  I don't think putting Wonder in packages, for
> instance, is going to solve the fundamental problem, at which point
> the question is whether totally reorganizing Wonder actually ends up
> at the other end with a net positive effect compared to the net
> negative for the people who already use and know Wonder.

And that is the million dollar question!  Anyone else out there have  
opinions on this?


Chuck
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