From: Mike M. <mi...@cy...> - 2004-03-25 07:58:09
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Hi folks, I've created a new webmin theme. Its features: * High color PNG icons provided by Everaldo and Yellowicon.com * By far the most professional looking webmin theme around. No dark grey backgrounds, GUI text, etc. * Less 'busy' than most other themes * Tested with most major Windows and Linux web browsers * Should be easily maintainable, with a stack of free-to-use icons provided by the Crystal icon team. You can download it from: www.cyber.com.au/users/mikem/crystal.wbt I'd also like a hand improving it in various ways: * Adding more icons. We currently cover most of the main modules, but not all of them. * Improving my Perl. I'm not a Perl guru, so there's probably a few cleanups that could be done to the code. * Updating it for the next version of webmin. The current version doesn't support PNG format icons within modules, so I rename them to .gif (this works ok in IE and Firefox) as a temporary solution. The next major webmin version will have native .png support (thanks Jamie!) so I won't need to do this anymore If we can make this theme meet everyone's requirements I think it'd be a great contender for the new default webmin theme - it really does look a lot better than the MSC Linux theme... Thanks, and eagerly awaiting your comments, Mike -- __________________________________________________________________________ Mike MacCana Consultant RHCX, MCSE, MCP+I 0419 394 504 |
From: Martin M. <mm...@me...> - 2004-03-25 08:18:27
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Hi Mike, Mike MacCana <mi...@cy...> wrote: >* High color PNG icons provided by Everaldo and Yellowicon.com >* By far the most professional looking webmin theme around. No dark grey >backgrounds, GUI text, etc. >* Less 'busy' than most other themes >* Tested with most major Windows and Linux web browsers >* Should be easily maintainable, with a stack of free-to-use icons >provided by the Crystal icon team. This looks really great, but well lacks many icons. I looks similar to Jamies KDE-Style-Icon-Theme afaics which I use the most. Looking forward to see more :-) bis dahin - kind regards Martin Mewes --=20 http://webmin.mamemu.de/ Official Webmin/Usermin Translation Co-Ordinator 2003/2004 Proud Forte Agent 2.0 Beta Tester |
From: Jamie C. <jca...@we...> - 2004-03-25 12:06:32
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Hi, I checked out your theme, and the icons look really nice .. very impressive. There was one small problem though - for modules that you haven't created a PNG icon for, it would be good to fall back to using the .gif icon. You could do this by changing line 192 of index.cgi to something like : (-r "$m->{'dir'}/images/icon.png" ? "<img src=$m->{'dir'}/images/icon.png alt=\"\" border=0></a>" : "<img src=$m->{'dir'}/images/icon.gif alt=\"\" border=0></a>"), - Jamie On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 14:48, Mike MacCana wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've created a new webmin theme. Its features: > > * High color PNG icons provided by Everaldo and Yellowicon.com > * By far the most professional looking webmin theme around. No dark grey > backgrounds, GUI text, etc. > * Less 'busy' than most other themes > * Tested with most major Windows and Linux web browsers > * Should be easily maintainable, with a stack of free-to-use icons > provided by the Crystal icon team. > > You can download it from: > > www.cyber.com.au/users/mikem/crystal.wbt > > I'd also like a hand improving it in various ways: > * Adding more icons. We currently cover most of the main modules, but not > all of them. > * Improving my Perl. I'm not a Perl guru, so there's probably a few > cleanups that could be done to the code. > * Updating it for the next version of webmin. The current version doesn't > support PNG format icons within modules, so I rename them to .gif (this > works ok in IE and Firefox) as a temporary solution. The next major > webmin version will have native .png support (thanks Jamie!) so I won't > need to do this anymore > > If we can make this theme meet everyone's requirements I think it'd be a > great contender for the new default webmin theme - it really does look a > lot better than the MSC Linux theme... > > Thanks, and eagerly awaiting your comments, > > Mike > -- > __________________________________________________________________________ > Mike MacCana Consultant RHCX, MCSE, MCP+I > 0419 394 504 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > - > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at web...@li... > To remove yourself from this list, go to > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list |
From: Rodney R. <ro...@rc...> - 2004-03-26 03:31:11
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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body> <h1>Error - Perl execution failed</h1> <pre>Undefined subroutine &main::get_display_hostname called at /usr/local/webmin/crystal/theme.pl line Now I gotta go figure out how to change the theme with ssh. :) </pre> <br> <br> Jamie Cameron wrote:<br> <blockquote cite="mid1080216365.6687.47.camel@pwc4.home" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hi, I checked out your theme, and the icons look really nice .. very impressive. There was one small problem though - for modules that you haven't created a PNG icon for, it would be good to fall back to using the .gif icon. You could do this by changing line 192 of index.cgi to something like : (-r "$m->{'dir'}/images/icon.png" ? "<img src=$m->{'dir'}/images/icon.png alt=\"\" border=0></a>" : "<img src=$m->{'dir'}/images/icon.gif alt=\"\" border=0></a>"), - Jamie On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 14:48, Mike MacCana wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hi folks, I've created a new webmin theme. Its features: * High color PNG icons provided by Everaldo and Yellowicon.com * By far the most professional looking webmin theme around. No dark grey backgrounds, GUI text, etc. * Less 'busy' than most other themes * Tested with most major Windows and Linux web browsers * Should be easily maintainable, with a stack of free-to-use icons provided by the Crystal icon team. You can download it from: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.cyber.com.au/users/mikem/crystal.wbt">www.cyber.com.au/users/mikem/crystal.wbt</a> I'd also like a hand improving it in various ways: * Adding more icons. We currently cover most of the main modules, but not all of them. * Improving my Perl. I'm not a Perl guru, so there's probably a few cleanups that could be done to the code. * Updating it for the next version of webmin. The current version doesn't support PNG format icons within modules, so I rename them to .gif (this works ok in IE and Firefox) as a temporary solution. The next major webmin version will have native .png support (thanks Jamie!) so I won't need to do this anymore If we can make this theme meet everyone's requirements I think it'd be a great contender for the new default webmin theme - it really does look a lot better than the MSC Linux theme... Thanks, and eagerly awaiting your comments, Mike -- __________________________________________________________________________ Mike MacCana Consultant RHCX, MCSE, MCP+I 0419 394 504 ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click - Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:web...@li...">web...@li...</a> To remove yourself from this list, go to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list">http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click - Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:web...@li...">web...@li...</a> To remove yourself from this list, go to <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list">http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list</a> </pre> </blockquote> <br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- ------------------------------------ Rodney Richison <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ro...@rc...">ro...@rc...</a> 118 N. Broadway PO Box 566 Cleveland, OK 74020 RCR Computing - RCRnet <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rcrnet.net">http://www.rcrnet.net</a> tel: 918-358-1111 fax: 918-358-1112 ------------------------------------ </pre> </body> </html> |
From: Yancy W. <ywh...@sy...> - 2004-03-26 18:52:19
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When you figure it out please post your solution, I am having the same problem with the the crystal theme. Yancy -----Original Message----- From: web...@li... [mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf Of Rodney Richison Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:31 PM To: web...@li... Subject: Re: [webmin-l] New Crystal webmin theme available for download. Error - Perl execution failed Undefined subroutine &main::get_display_hostname called at /usr/local/webmin/crystal/theme.pl line Now I gotta go figure out how to change the theme with ssh. :) Jamie Cameron wrote: Hi, I checked out your theme, and the icons look really nice .. very impressive. There was one small problem though - for modules that you haven't created a PNG icon for, it would be good to fall back to using the .gif icon. You could do this by changing line 192 of index.cgi to something like : (-r "$m->{'dir'}/images/icon.png" ? "<img src=$m->{'dir'}/images/icon.png alt=\"\" border=0></a>" : "<img src=$m->{'dir'}/images/icon.gif alt=\"\" border=0></a>"), - Jamie On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 14:48, Mike MacCana wrote: Hi folks, I've created a new webmin theme. Its features: * High color PNG icons provided by Everaldo and Yellowicon.com * By far the most professional looking webmin theme around. No dark grey backgrounds, GUI text, etc. * Less 'busy' than most other themes * Tested with most major Windows and Linux web browsers * Should be easily maintainable, with a stack of free-to-use icons provided by the Crystal icon team. You can download it from: HYPERLINK "http://www.cyber.com.au/users/mikem/crystal.wbt"www.cyber.com.au/users/ mikem/crystal.wbt I'd also like a hand improving it in various ways: * Adding more icons. We currently cover most of the main modules, but not all of them. * Improving my Perl. I'm not a Perl guru, so there's probably a few cleanups that could be done to the code. * Updating it for the next version of webmin. The current version doesn't support PNG format icons within modules, so I rename them to .gif (this works ok in IE and Firefox) as a temporary solution. The next major webmin version will have native .png support (thanks Jamie!) so I won't need to do this anymore If we can make this theme meet everyone's requirements I think it'd be a great contender for the new default webmin theme - it really does look a lot better than the MSC Linux theme... Thanks, and eagerly awaiting your comments, Mike -- ________________________________________________________________________ __ Mike MacCana Consultant RHCX, MCSE, MCP+I 0419 394 504 ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click - Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at HYPERLINK "mailto:web...@li..."web...@li...urcefo rge.net To remove yourself from this list, go to HYPERLINK "http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list"http://lists. sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click - Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at HYPERLINK "mailto:web...@li..."web...@li...urcefo rge.net To remove yourself from this list, go to HYPERLINK "http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list"http://lists. sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list -- ------------------------------------ Rodney Richison HYPERLINK "mailto:ro...@rc..."ro...@rc... 118 N. Broadway PO Box 566 Cleveland, OK 74020 RCR Computing - RCRnet HYPERLINK "http://www.rcrnet.net"http://www.rcrnet.net tel: 918-358-1111 fax: 918-358-1112 ------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click - Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at web...@li... To remove yourself from this list, go to http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 3/22/2004 |
From: Joe C. <jo...@sw...> - 2004-03-27 00:20:31
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It's (kind of) in the book: http://swelltech.com/support/webminguide-1.0/ch01.html#wmfirewalltrouble Follow those directions, but modify "preroot=" and/or "theme=", and then restart the Webmin servers. Yancy Wharton wrote: > When you figure it out please post your solution, I am having the same > problem with the the crystal theme. > > Yancy > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* web...@li... > [mailto:web...@li...] *On Behalf Of > *Rodney Richison > *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:31 PM > *To:* web...@li... > *Subject:* Re: [webmin-l] New Crystal webmin theme available for > download. > > > Error - Perl execution failed > > Undefined subroutine &main::get_display_hostname called at /usr/local/webmin/crystal/theme.pl line > > Now I gotta go figure out how to change the theme with ssh. :) |
From: Andrew K. <ak...@co...> - 2004-03-27 22:25:53
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I recently tried to change the mail send path from "/usr/lib/sendmail" to "/usr/sbin/sendmail". Webmin accepted the configuration change. But, when I tried to send an email it failed. I went back to the configuration and found that it was still set at "/usr/lib/sendmail". I tried to change this parameter several times since and it seems not to accept the changes. I don't get any errors when making the change yet the change is not accepted. I am running the latest version of Usermin and Webmin on Redhat 8.0. I decided to finally go to the command line and create a symbolic link but I think this may be a problem. Any thoughts? -Andrew |
From: Jamie C. <jca...@we...> - 2004-03-29 11:02:19
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On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 08:25, Andrew Kornak wrote: > I recently tried to change the mail send path from "/usr/lib/sendmail" > to "/usr/sbin/sendmail". Webmin accepted the configuration change. > But, when I tried to send an email it failed. I went back to the > configuration and found that it was still set at "/usr/lib/sendmail". > I tried to change this parameter several times since and it seems not > to accept the changes. I don't get any errors when making the change > yet the change is not accepted. I am running the latest version of > Usermin and Webmin on Redhat 8.0. I decided to finally go to the > command line and create a symbolic link but I think this may be a > problem. Any thoughts? Was the file /etc/usermin/mailbox/config updated with the new path? This may be a form caching issue, as some browsers have a 'feature' for remembering previous form inputs. - Jamie |
From: Andrew K. <ak...@co...> - 2004-03-29 22:20:31
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The timestamp for the file changes but the sendmail path in the file remains the same: sendmail_path=/usr/lib/sendmail Even though I filled out /usr/sbin/sendmail in the form. I am using Mozilla 1.6 but it doesn't seem to be a caching issue. -Andrew Jamie Cameron wrote: >On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 08:25, Andrew Kornak wrote: > > >>I recently tried to change the mail send path from "/usr/lib/sendmail" >>to "/usr/sbin/sendmail". Webmin accepted the configuration change. >>But, when I tried to send an email it failed. I went back to the >>configuration and found that it was still set at "/usr/lib/sendmail". >>I tried to change this parameter several times since and it seems not >>to accept the changes. I don't get any errors when making the change >>yet the change is not accepted. I am running the latest version of >>Usermin and Webmin on Redhat 8.0. I decided to finally go to the >>command line and create a symbolic link but I think this may be a >>problem. Any thoughts? >> >> > >Was the file /etc/usermin/mailbox/config updated with the new path? This >may be a form caching issue, as some browsers have a 'feature' for >remembering previous form inputs. > > - Jamie > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials >Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of >GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system >administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click >- >Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at web...@li... >To remove yourself from this list, go to >http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list > > > |
From: Andrew K. <ak...@co...> - 2004-03-30 01:11:27
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I take it back. It is a browser issue. I decided to try the same procedure with IE and this time the configuration change took. I should have done this right away, but, sometimes the obvious solution eludes us! Anyway, I went through all the motions on Mozilla (clearing the cache, changing login id, etc) and Mozilla still would not update the configuration. I tried several times with different sessions. I am lost. I remember having this problem with Mozilla on the MySQL config page. My solution was to create a different login ID that was not referenced in the configuration ("admin" instead of "root") which solved the problem. Unfortunately this did not work for the "readmail" config. -Andrew Andrew Kornak wrote: > The timestamp for the file changes but the sendmail path in the file > remains the same: > > sendmail_path=/usr/lib/sendmail > > Even though I filled out /usr/sbin/sendmail in the form. > > I am using Mozilla 1.6 but it doesn't seem to be a caching issue. > > -Andrew > > Jamie Cameron wrote: > >> On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 08:25, Andrew Kornak wrote: >> >> >>> I recently tried to change the mail send path from "/usr/lib/sendmail" >>> to "/usr/sbin/sendmail". Webmin accepted the configuration change. >>> But, when I tried to send an email it failed. I went back to the >>> configuration and found that it was still set at "/usr/lib/sendmail". >>> I tried to change this parameter several times since and it seems not >>> to accept the changes. I don't get any errors when making the change >>> yet the change is not accepted. I am running the latest version of >>> Usermin and Webmin on Redhat 8.0. I decided to finally go to the >>> command line and create a symbolic link but I think this may be a >>> problem. Any thoughts? >>> >> >> >> Was the file /etc/usermin/mailbox/config updated with the new path? This >> may be a form caching issue, as some browsers have a 'feature' for >> remembering previous form inputs. >> >> - Jamie >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials >> Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of >> GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system >> administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click >> - >> Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at >> web...@li... >> To remove yourself from this list, go to >> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > - > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at > web...@li... > To remove yourself from this list, go to > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list > |
From: Jamie C. <jca...@we...> - 2004-03-27 11:40:06
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This is almost certainly happening because the get_display_hostname function only exists in the latest development beta version of Webmin. You can either install Webmin 1.139, or ask the theme developer to call get_system_hostname instead of get_display_hostname . - Jamie On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 14:31, Rodney Richison wrote: > Error - Perl execution failed > Undefined subroutine &main::get_display_hostname called at /usr/local/webmin/crystal/theme.pl line > > Now I gotta go figure out how to change the theme with ssh. :) > > Jamie Cameron wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I checked out your theme, and the icons look really nice .. very > > impressive. > > > > There was one small problem though - for modules that you haven't > > created a PNG icon for, it would be good to fall back to using the .gif > > icon. You could do this by changing line 192 of index.cgi to something > > like : > > > > (-r "$m->{'dir'}/images/icon.png" ? > > "<img src=$m->{'dir'}/images/icon.png alt=\"\" border=0></a>" : > > "<img src=$m->{'dir'}/images/icon.gif alt=\"\" border=0></a>"), > > > > - Jamie > > > > On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 14:48, Mike MacCana wrote: > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > I've created a new webmin theme. Its features: > > > > > > * High color PNG icons provided by Everaldo and Yellowicon.com > > > * By far the most professional looking webmin theme around. No dark grey > > > backgrounds, GUI text, etc. > > > * Less 'busy' than most other themes > > > * Tested with most major Windows and Linux web browsers > > > * Should be easily maintainable, with a stack of free-to-use icons > > > provided by the Crystal icon team. > > > > > > You can download it from: > > > > > > www.cyber.com.au/users/mikem/crystal.wbt > > > > > > I'd also like a hand improving it in various ways: > > > * Adding more icons. We currently cover most of the main modules, but not > > > all of them. > > > * Improving my Perl. I'm not a Perl guru, so there's probably a few > > > cleanups that could be done to the code. > > > * Updating it for the next version of webmin. The current version doesn't > > > support PNG format icons within modules, so I rename them to .gif (this > > > works ok in IE and Firefox) as a temporary solution. The next major > > > webmin version will have native .png support (thanks Jamie!) so I won't > > > need to do this anymore > > > > > > If we can make this theme meet everyone's requirements I think it'd be a > > > great contender for the new default webmin theme - it really does look a > > > lot better than the MSC Linux theme... > > > > > > Thanks, and eagerly awaiting your comments, > > > > > > Mike > > > -- > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > Mike MacCana Consultant RHCX, MCSE, MCP+I > > > 0419 394 504 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > > > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > > > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > > > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > > > - > > > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at web...@li... > > > To remove yourself from this list, go to > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > > - > > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at web...@li... > > To remove yourself from this list, go to > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list > > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------------ > Rodney Richison > ro...@rc... > 118 N. Broadway > PO Box 566 > Cleveland, OK 74020 > > RCR Computing - RCRnet > http://www.rcrnet.net > tel: 918-358-1111 > fax: 918-358-1112 > ------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net > email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial > presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. > Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > - Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at > web...@li... To remove yourself from this list, > go to http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list |
From: Roger B.A. K. <ro...@qu...> - 2004-03-27 21:39:51
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Mike MacCana wrote: > * By far the most professional looking webmin theme around. No dark grey > backgrounds, GUI text, etc. Hm, you think use of HTML font based links instead of graphical text makes it look more professional? And plain white backgrounds as well? Hm. Exactly the things we avoid in building product UI... |
From: Bill J. <bub...@co...> - 2004-03-27 23:23:44
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I find it missing a lot of standard webmin module icons for both RH9 and FreeBSD 5.2.1 Otherwise I like this one allot > -----Original Message----- > From: web...@li... > [mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf > Of Roger B.A. Klorese > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:40 PM > To: web...@li... > Subject: Re: [webmin-l] New Crystal webmin theme available > for download. > > Mike MacCana wrote: > > * By far the most professional looking webmin theme around. > No dark grey > > backgrounds, GUI text, etc. > > Hm, you think use of HTML font based links instead of graphical text > makes it look more professional? And plain white backgrounds > as well? > Hm. Exactly the things we avoid in building product UI... > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > - > Forwarded by the Webmin mailing list at > web...@li... > To remove yourself from this list, go to > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/webadmin-list |
From: Mike M. <mi...@cy...> - 2004-03-29 03:03:45
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Bill James wrote: > I find it missing a lot of standard webmin module icons for both RH9 and > FreeBSD 5.2.1 Which ones are most important? I'll get moving on adding them. I'm also going to add the Perl that Jamie gave me to fall back to the old icons if a .png isn't available. > Otherwise I like this one allot Thanks :^) Mike |
From: Bill J. <bub...@co...> - 2004-03-29 22:54:08
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> -----Original Message----- > From: web...@li... > [mailto:web...@li...] On Behalf > Of Mike MacCana > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:04 PM > To: web...@li... > Subject: RE: [webmin-l] New Crystal webmin theme available > for download. > > On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Bill James wrote: > > > I find it missing a lot of standard webmin module icons for > both RH9 and > > FreeBSD 5.2.1 > > Which ones are most important? I'll get moving on adding > them. I'm also > going to add the Perl that Jamie gave me to fall back to the > old icons if > a .png isn't available. > > > Otherwise I like this one allot > > Thanks :^) > > Mike Mike, Email me off list and I will give you access so you can see which ones are missing --- Bill James ========================================== Anything that I may babble about in this message are my personal opinions/beliefs and in no way reflect the opinions or position of ICSA Labs. ========================================= |
From: Mike M. <mi...@cy...> - 2004-03-29 03:00:25
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > Mike MacCana wrote: > > * By far the most professional looking webmin theme around. No dark grey > > backgrounds, GUI text, etc. > > Hm, you think use of HTML font based links instead of graphical text > makes it look more professional? Yes. Respecting the users font choices is important. GUI text would override that, unnecessarily causing accessibility problems for no good reason. I can understand why webmin would have once had good reason to use GUI text - many Linux systems couldn't properly render large size fonts - but those days are long gone. > And plain white backgrounds as well? High contrast backgrounds, yes. Much better than the dark text on dark grey backgrounds. Note most modern UI styleguides reflect this, including MacOSX and Windows. > Hm. Exactly the things we avoid in building product UI... Why? Mike |
From: Roger B.A. K. <ro...@qu...> - 2004-03-29 04:31:20
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Mike MacCana wrote: >>Hm. Exactly the things we avoid in building product UI... > > > Why? Because they look like a plain HTML page someone wrote on their first day of HTML lab is why. High-contrast is desirable, sure -- or at least moderately high contrast. But to me, black on medium-light blue is more than sufficient. And as for accessibility and graphical text: that's what ALT text is for. |
From: Mike M. <mi...@cy...> - 2004-03-29 05:19:21
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > Mike MacCana wrote: > >>Hm. Exactly the things we avoid in building product UI... > > > > > > Why? > > Because they look like a plain HTML page someone wrote on their first > day of HTML lab is why. It seems like you're being very aggressive here. That's unnecessary, especially when you're making a suggestion to someone who's volunteered their time. > High-contrast is desirable, sure -- or at least moderately high > contrast. But to me, black on medium-light blue is more than sufficient. As I mentioned, OSX and Windows have moved to using near-white as their background from darker versions in their previous release. I think closer to white is a lot better than dark grey. But I'll make it more light grey when I get the time. > And as for accessibility and graphical text: that's what ALT text is for. ALT text is for providing alternatives to images. Text is for text. I'm not sure why you're so enthusiastic about 'GUI text'. It doesn't look any better, it ignores user preferences for preferred fonts and the like, and it makes webmin slower over remote links. Mike |
From: Roger B.A. K. <ro...@qu...> - 2004-03-29 05:50:19
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Mike MacCana wrote: > It seems like you're being very aggressive here. That's unnecessary, > especially when you're making a suggestion to someone who's volunteered > their time. Sorry it was taken that way -- I can see how it would be now. I didn't mean to say "the Crystal theme looks like a web page put together on the first day of HTML class" -- I meant to say that "pure-HTML interfaces with plain text links on white backgrounds in general look like web pages put together on the first day of HTML class." > As I mentioned, OSX and Windows have moved to using near-white as their > background from darker versions in their previous release. I think closer > to white is a lot better than dark grey. But I'll make it more light > grey when I get the time. What version of Windows are you talking about? Windows XP, which is the current version of the desktop product uses a pretty deep blue right out of the box, certainly no lighter than the MSC.Linux theme -- which puts most of its text on plain white anyway. > ALT text is for providing alternatives to images. Text is for text. I'm > not sure why you're so enthusiastic about 'GUI text'. It doesn't look any > better, it ignores user preferences for preferred fonts and the like, > and it makes webmin slower over remote links. Because it inhibits the ability to use "high design" -- ignoring user preferences for fonts is very often a good thing to me. |
From: Joe C. <jo...@sw...> - 2004-03-29 23:22:25
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Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > Mike MacCana wrote: >> ALT text is for providing alternatives to images. Text is for text. I'm >> not sure why you're so enthusiastic about 'GUI text'. It doesn't look any >> better, it ignores user preferences for preferred fonts and the like, >> and it makes webmin slower over remote links. > > > Because it inhibits the ability to use "high design" -- ignoring user > preferences for fonts is very often a good thing to me. This is a judgment call...Do you want the user to choose, or do you want the designer to choose? I prefer to let the user choose, and I think Mike is making correct choices in his theme (obviously--he has made choices similar to the choices I made in my most recent Swell Theme, which uses only style sheets to achieve most of the "fancy" design elements like rollover links). From my perspective, the MSC.Theme is all wrong, though it is relatively pretty. It is slow over even broadband links, unusable in Lynx, and moreso in a screen reader. I don't find it nicer to look at than several of the simpler themes (my own themes and Mike's new theme, as well as the KDE icons theme that Jamie made), and the negatives are difficult to overstate. Some folks "high design" is other folks "foolish design decisions", I reckon. ;-) I think the only fair complaint about Mike's theme is that it is nowhere near complete. Keep at it Mike. It's coming along nicely, and in a couple more iterations (after you've got all of the icons in place), it will be among the finest themes available...maybe even as good as mine. ;-) |