webadmin-devel

icon art etc

[Benjamin M. <be...@me...>]

Hi there, I finally downloaded and installed webmin after looking at it for 
about a year.  I currently do not know perl (but recently bought a book) but 
no fret for I would like to help in a different area anyway.  I noticed that 
a number of the icons need some work.  Other then being 48x48 is are there 
other rules?  Is there someone I can work with (i.e. is there someone already 
asigned to this job) to create a set of rich high quality icons (and rules) 
for all of the default install?  Webmin is a very feature rich application 
and filled with many good modules, but it needs a little polish and I would 
like to help out in that regard.

-Benjamin Meyer

P.S. for those that want to see that I know a bit about art see: 
http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/desktop/drawings.shtml

Re: icon art etc

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> 
> Hi there, I finally downloaded and installed webmin after looking at it for
> about a year.  I currently do not know perl (but recently bought a book) but
> no fret for I would like to help in a different area anyway.  I noticed that
> a number of the icons need some work.  Other then being 48x48 is are there
> other rules?  Is there someone I can work with (i.e. is there someone already
> asigned to this job) to create a set of rich high quality icons (and rules)
> for all of the default install?  Webmin is a very feature rich application
> and filled with many good modules, but it needs a little polish and I would
> like to help out in that regard.

The 48 x 48 size is the only real rule for icons..
If you want to create your own set, the best way to do it at first is by
creating your own theme, which allows you to override the default icons.
Have a look at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/modules.html#theme for the
technical details.

 - Jamie

Re: icon art etc

[Benjamin M. <be...@me...>]

ok, I have already created a theme and I have it up and running.  Doesn't 
look to bad if I do say myself.  Upon further designing of the "theme" I 
relized that the grid icon approch isn't the best one, but a 
pure vertical is a much better design.  The human eye can read vertically 
much faster then it can horizontally and much much faster then a grid.  If 
possible having the smaller vertical listing always on the left.  The only 
way I was able to find to do this is to use frames.  I can include stuff in 
the top of the body and the bottom, but I can't include a cgi page (or can 
I?)  If possible I would like to not have to use frames, can the feature be 
added in the theme for bodycgiinclude for body top and bottom?  This would 
all for much earlier web apps to view my "theme" and cleaner html.  

Where are the header and footer functions located?  Will it be easy to 
overload them in my theme?

Because in my "theme" I have a listing on the left I do not use the icons off 
the top, but I would like to have them placed to the left of the module name 
and also I wish to dump the module help data at the bottom of the module (in 
the footer)

I presume that all of the icons currently have a bsd licence with them?

-Benjamin Meyer


On Sunday 17 June 2001 18:58, you wrote:
> Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > Hi there, I finally downloaded and installed webmin after looking at it
> > for about a year.  I currently do not know perl (but recently bought a
> > book) but no fret for I would like to help in a different area anyway.  I
> > noticed that a number of the icons need some work.  Other then being
> > 48x48 is are there other rules?  Is there someone I can work with (i.e.
> > is there someone already asigned to this job) to create a set of rich
> > high quality icons (and rules) for all of the default install?  Webmin is
> > a very feature rich application and filled with many good modules, but it
> > needs a little polish and I would like to help out in that regard.
>
> The 48 x 48 size is the only real rule for icons..
> If you want to create your own set, the best way to do it at first is by
> creating your own theme, which allows you to override the default icons.
> Have a look at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/modules.html#theme for the
> technical details.
>
>  - Jamie
>
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Re: icon art etc

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> 
> ok, I have already created a theme and I have it up and running.  Doesn't
> look to bad if I do say myself.  Upon further designing of the "theme" I
> relized that the grid icon approch isn't the best one, but a
> pure vertical is a much better design.  The human eye can read vertically
> much faster then it can horizontally and much much faster then a grid.  If
> possible having the smaller vertical listing always on the left.  The only
> way I was able to find to do this is to use frames.  I can include stuff in
> the top of the body and the bottom, but I can't include a cgi page (or can
> I?)  If possible I would like to not have to use frames, can the feature be
> added in the theme for bodycgiinclude for body top and bottom?  This would
> all for much earlier web apps to view my "theme" and cleaner html.

To do stuff like that, you need to override the index.cgi program in your
theme. Have a look at the included caldera theme for an example.. it has
it's own index.cgi which outputs a top-bottom frameset.

> Where are the header and footer functions located?  Will it be easy to
> overload them in my theme?

You can't do that. However, there are somethings you can put in the
theme's config file to include extra stuff in the header and footer.
 
> Because in my "theme" I have a listing on the left I do not use the icons off
> the top, but I would like to have them placed to the left of the module name
> and also I wish to dump the module help data at the bottom of the module (in
> the footer)

You could do that with your index.cgi
 
> I presume that all of the icons currently have a bsd licence with them?

Yeah, all the code and graphics in the main webmin distribution are BSD
licenced. Yours can be whatever you want though ..

 - Jamie
 
> -Benjamin Meyer
> 
> On Sunday 17 June 2001 18:58, you wrote:
> > Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > > Hi there, I finally downloaded and installed webmin after looking at it
> > > for about a year.  I currently do not know perl (but recently bought a
> > > book) but no fret for I would like to help in a different area anyway.  I
> > > noticed that a number of the icons need some work.  Other then being
> > > 48x48 is are there other rules?  Is there someone I can work with (i.e.
> > > is there someone already asigned to this job) to create a set of rich
> > > high quality icons (and rules) for all of the default install?  Webmin is
> > > a very feature rich application and filled with many good modules, but it
> > > needs a little polish and I would like to help out in that regard.
> >
> > The 48 x 48 size is the only real rule for icons..
> > If you want to create your own set, the best way to do it at first is by
> > creating your own theme, which allows you to override the default icons.
> > Have a look at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/modules.html#theme for the
> > technical details.
> >
> >  - Jamie

Re: icon art etc

[Benjamin M. <be...@me...>]

> To do stuff like that, you need to override the index.cgi program in your
> theme. Have a look at the included caldera theme for an example.. it has
> it's own index.cgi which outputs a top-bottom frameset.

caldera uses frames.

> > Where are the header and footer functions located?  Will it be easy to
> > overload them in my theme?
>
> > I presume that all of the icons currently have a bsd licence with them?
>
> Yeah, all the code and graphics in the main webmin distribution are BSD
> licenced. Yours can be whatever you want though ..

I do not wish to fork my code from yours, I wish to contribute to the default 
codebase thus everything I make will have a bsd license.

-Benjamin Meyer

Re: icon art etc

[Nick J. <ni...@na...>]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:56:11AM -0400, Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > To do stuff like that, you need to override the index.cgi program in your
> > theme. Have a look at the included caldera theme for an example.. it has
> > it's own index.cgi which outputs a top-bottom frameset.
> 
> caldera uses frames.
> 

 I am currently working on a theme that does not use frames, uses a nice
 tableset, even when modules are being used the table menus stay. I made
 a simple patch to the web-lib.pl (to the header and footer subroutines).

 I think it looks much better without frames, i hate frames. :)

 Not sure whether I will be able to release my changes back, if anything
 I might be able to release the web-lib.pl changes, if they are accepted.
 basically it will introduce a theme config option like tables=1 and 
 web-lib-.pl will check that conf option whenever the header and footer
 subroutine are called, if that option is true it will call a header.pl
 script in the theme's directory and return the output to the module,
 this can be an entire tableset so the module content is in it's own
 table in this layout, and the footer.pl will close it all up. it works
 very nicely.

-- 
  Nick Jennings

Re: icon art etc

[Benjamin M. <be...@me...>]

I would like that, yah my current theme has to use themes which I also hate.  
I look forward to seeing it.

-Benjamin Meyer

On Monday 18 June 2001 13:23, Nick Jennings wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:56:11AM -0400, Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > > To do stuff like that, you need to override the index.cgi program in
> > > your theme. Have a look at the included caldera theme for an example..
> > > it has it's own index.cgi which outputs a top-bottom frameset.
> >
> > caldera uses frames.
>
>  I am currently working on a theme that does not use frames, uses a nice
>  tableset, even when modules are being used the table menus stay. I made
>  a simple patch to the web-lib.pl (to the header and footer subroutines).
>
>  I think it looks much better without frames, i hate frames. :)
>
>  Not sure whether I will be able to release my changes back, if anything
>  I might be able to release the web-lib.pl changes, if they are accepted.
>  basically it will introduce a theme config option like tables=1 and
>  web-lib-.pl will check that conf option whenever the header and footer
>  subroutine are called, if that option is true it will call a header.pl
>  script in the theme's directory and return the output to the module,
>  this can be an entire tableset so the module content is in it's own
>  table in this layout, and the footer.pl will close it all up. it works
>  very nicely.