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[webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Martin M. <mm...@ag...>]

Hi all,

I need to understand if we can activate some "methods" so that 
translators and, of course, myself have some time to translate 
things.

Before we start to negotiate I would like to know if there already is 
something we can depend on. This could be, that Jamie does a "devel" 
only once a week or that there are two weeks between the last "devel" 
and the next "stable" or something like this.

Anyway I think it is important to tell the folks on the Webmin-Website 
that the most up2date translations are only involved in the "stable" 
and there will be no trans-updates in "devel".

Questions, comments, side-remarks to this idea/these ideas are 
welcomed.

Have a lot of fun :-)

Martin

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Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

I don't really have a fixed schedule for releasing stable or development
versions. But typically 1-2 months will elapse between each stable
release that gets listed on www.webmin.com (currently 1.100). And a new
devel release made available at www.webmin.com/devel.html about every
1-2 weeks (the current one being 1.107)..

Typically, I will create and announce a development version about a week
prior to the next stable release so that people can test it out, and so
that translators can make any last minute features. Ideally, no changes
will be made between this pre-release version and the next stable
release.

I do plan to put the next stable version 1.110 out quite soon - I just
need to squash a bug that is causing problems for some IE users when
submitting forms. Unfortunately it never happens on my test systems, so
if anyone out there is seeing this problem and doesn't mind giving me a
remote login to their systems, let me know!

 - Jamie

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 04:15, Martin Mewes wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I need to understand if we can activate some "methods" so that 
> translators and, of course, myself have some time to translate 
> things.
> 
> Before we start to negotiate I would like to know if there already is 
> something we can depend on. This could be, that Jamie does a "devel" 
> only once a week or that there are two weeks between the last "devel" 
> and the next "stable" or something like this.
> 
> Anyway I think it is important to tell the folks on the Webmin-Website 
> that the most up2date translations are only involved in the "stable" 
> and there will be no trans-updates in "devel".
> 
> Questions, comments, side-remarks to this idea/these ideas are 
> welcomed.
> 
> Have a lot of fun :-)
> 
> Martin
> 
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Re[2]: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Marius P. <ma...@4n...>]

I think I can help you with reproducing this nasty bug. I have come upon it just a few weeks
ago and it fits your description very well. Let me explain what happens on my system: everything works fine 
with Mozilla, Konqueror, Netscape and Opera but when submitting a form with Internet Explorer users get
a "Cannot display page" in return. This doesn't happen all the time but it does in 90% of the submits.
I have managed to avoid this bug by converting submit methods from POST to GET but this isn't a good solution
for I have some forms with a large number of inputs and GET can't always handle that many data. I thought the problems
are in my CGI but I noticed that this happens in forms from all modules even with small amounts of input controls.
At last :) I have noticed that this happens only on my machine (running Slackware 9.0) and it works just fine when installed
on SUSE or something else. 

Hope, this helps. I can help you with a remote login on my machine if you are interested, but we have to agree on a schedule
because the machine in question is my home computer and it's not always up. 

Best regards,
Marius 
ma...@4n... 


Friday, September 5, 2003, 1:02:41 PM, you wrote:

JC> I do plan to put the next stable version 1.110 out quite soon - I just
JC> need to squash a bug that is causing problems for some IE users when
JC> submitting forms. Unfortunately it never happens on my test systems, so
JC> if anyone out there is seeing this problem and doesn't mind giving me a
JC> remote login to their systems, let me know!

JC>  - Jamie



  

Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Martin M. <mar...@de...>]

Hi Jamie,

Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...> wrote:

>I do plan to put the next stable version 1.110 out quite soon - I just
>need to squash a bug that is causing problems for some IE users when
>submitting forms. Unfortunately it never happens on my test systems, so
>if anyone out there is seeing this problem and doesn't mind giving me a
>remote login to their systems, let me know!

OK, so I think there is no further negotiating needed as long as we
can agree to this:

a) I will announce _all_ "devel"'s to Webmin-Trans-List.
b) Its up to the translators if they catch it or not.
c) Jamie kindly announces a date for the next "stable".
d) I will check in the latest translations two days in advance.
e) Upcoming translations will belong to the next "stable".

or

a) I will announce _all_ "devel"'s to Webmin-Trans-List.
b) Its up to the translators if they catch it or not.
c) Jamie kindly announces a date for the last "devel" before "stable".
d) I will check in the latest translations two days afterwards.
e) Upcoming translations will belong to the next "stable".


kind regards

Martin Mewes

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Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 20:56, Martin Mewes wrote:
> Hi Jamie,
> 
> Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...> wrote:
> 
> >I do plan to put the next stable version 1.110 out quite soon - I just
> >need to squash a bug that is causing problems for some IE users when
> >submitting forms. Unfortunately it never happens on my test systems, so
> >if anyone out there is seeing this problem and doesn't mind giving me a
> >remote login to their systems, let me know!
> 
> OK, so I think there is no further negotiating needed as long as we
> can agree to this:
> 
> a) I will announce _all_ "devel"'s to Webmin-Trans-List.
> b) Its up to the translators if they catch it or not.
> c) Jamie kindly announces a date for the next "stable".
> d) I will check in the latest translations two days in advance.
> e) Upcoming translations will belong to the next "stable".
> 
> or
> 
> a) I will announce _all_ "devel"'s to Webmin-Trans-List.
> b) Its up to the translators if they catch it or not.
> c) Jamie kindly announces a date for the last "devel" before "stable".
> d) I will check in the latest translations two days afterwards.
> e) Upcoming translations will belong to the next "stable".

I think the second sequence sounds best ..
Should I notify you when I put out a devel release, or do you have some
script to delete it automatically?

 - Jamie

Re: Re[2]: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Yeah, that is the exact problem! 
A normal user login should be enough for me to work out the cause ..

 - Jamie

On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 21:18, Marius Popovici wrote:
> I think I can help you with reproducing this nasty bug. I have come upon it just a few weeks
> ago and it fits your description very well. Let me explain what happens on my system: everything works fine 
> with Mozilla, Konqueror, Netscape and Opera but when submitting a form with Internet Explorer users get
> a "Cannot display page" in return. This doesn't happen all the time but it does in 90% of the submits.
> I have managed to avoid this bug by converting submit methods from POST to GET but this isn't a good solution
> for I have some forms with a large number of inputs and GET can't always handle that many data. I thought the problems
> are in my CGI but I noticed that this happens in forms from all modules even with small amounts of input controls.
> At last :) I have noticed that this happens only on my machine (running Slackware 9.0) and it works just fine when installed
> on SUSE or something else. 
> 
> Hope, this helps. I can help you with a remote login on my machine if you are interested, but we have to agree on a schedule
> because the machine in question is my home computer and it's not always up. 
> 
> Best regards,
> Marius 
> ma...@4n... 
> 
> 
> Friday, September 5, 2003, 1:02:41 PM, you wrote:
> 
> JC> I do plan to put the next stable version 1.110 out quite soon - I just
> JC> need to squash a bug that is causing problems for some IE users when
> JC> submitting forms. Unfortunately it never happens on my test systems, so
> JC> if anyone out there is seeing this problem and doesn't mind giving me a
> JC> remote login to their systems, let me know!
> 
> JC>  - Jamie
> 
> 
> 
>   

Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Martin M. <mm...@ag...>]

Hi Jamie,

Am Freitag, 5. September 2003 14:58 schrieb
 Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...>:

>> a) I will announce _all_ "devel"'s to Webmin-Trans-List.
>> b) Its up to the translators if they catch it or not.
>> c) Jamie kindly announces a date for the last "devel" before
>> "stable".
>> d) I will check in the latest translations two days
>> afterwards.
>> e) Upcoming translations will belong to the next
>> "stable".
>
> I think the second sequence sounds best ..
> Should I notify you when I put out a devel release, or do you have
> some script to delete it automatically?

The script I use is called "keep your eyes on webmin" ;-)
In fact I nearly watch daily on my mirror and will actually see it at 
least 24 hours later ...

I always do a RPM-Upgrade with Webmin then and go ahead.

The only thing I need to know for sure is part c) of this agreed 
sequence.

I have submitted your eMail-Adress to webmin-trans, so that you can do 
Official Announcements to this list as well without receiving the 
list itself.

Let's start this sequence after the release of the next "stable". 
Makes things easier I guess.

kind regards

Martin

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Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Martin Mewes wrote:
> Hi Jamie,
> 
> Am Freitag, 5. September 2003 14:58 schrieb
>  Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...>:
> 
> 
>>>a) I will announce _all_ "devel"'s to Webmin-Trans-List.
>>>b) Its up to the translators if they catch it or not.
>>>c) Jamie kindly announces a date for the last "devel" before
>>>"stable".
>>>d) I will check in the latest translations two days
>>>afterwards.
>>>e) Upcoming translations will belong to the next
>>>"stable".
>>
>>I think the second sequence sounds best ..
>>Should I notify you when I put out a devel release, or do you have
>>some script to delete it automatically?
> 
> 
> The script I use is called "keep your eyes on webmin" ;-)
> In fact I nearly watch daily on my mirror and will actually see it at 
> least 24 hours later ...
> 
> I always do a RPM-Upgrade with Webmin then and go ahead.
> 
> The only thing I need to know for sure is part c) of this agreed 
> sequence.
> 
> I have submitted your eMail-Adress to webmin-trans, so that you can do 
> Official Announcements to this list as well without receiving the 
> list itself.
> 
> Let's start this sequence after the release of the next "stable". 
> Makes things easier I guess.

Sounds good ..

I've actually just released the 1.109 development version of webmin, 
which contains all of the features that will be in the 1.110 stable 
release. Translators or potential testers are encouraged to download 
it from http://www.webmin.com/devel.html and try it out. Unless some 
really serious problem is found, the 1.100 release will come out in 
about a week ..

This development version fixes the annoying problem that some IE users 
were having, thanks to Marius Popovici who gave me remote access to a 
system experiencing the problem.

  - Jamie

Re: [webmin-devel] [WTCO] Understanding TimeLines

[Martin M. <mm...@ag...>]

Hi Jamie,

Am Samstag, 6. September 2003 13:29 schrieb
 Jamie Cameron <jca...@we...>:

> > Let's start this sequence after the release of the next "stable".
> > Makes things easier I guess.
>
> Sounds good ..
>
> I've actually just released the 1.109 development version of
> webmin, which contains all of the features that will be in the
> 1.110 stable release. Translators or potential testers are
> encouraged to download it from http://www.webmin.com/devel.html and
> try it out. Unless some really serious problem is found, the 1.100
> release will come out in about a week ..
>
> This development version fixes the annoying problem that some IE
> users were having, thanks to Marius Popovici who gave me remote
> access to a system experiencing the problem.

webmin.mamemu.de is updated.
Devel works ok and I will check IE-errors on monday.
I do not have IE at home ;-)

kind regards

Martin

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