webadmin-devel

cvs repository

[Benjamin M. <be...@me...>]

I noticed that we are not using sourceforge's cvs for the repository.  I 
couldn't find a developers page in the webmin website.  Where does the 
current cvs reside?  (Is there a cvs?)  Is there a reason for us not to use 
the sourceforge cvs?

-Ben

Re: cvs repository

[Nick J. <ni...@na...>]

I was looking for that as well. From what i'm told all patches go through
jamie, just post them to the list.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 07:23:07AM -0400, Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> I noticed that we are not using sourceforge's cvs for the repository.  I 
> couldn't find a developers page in the webmin website.  Where does the 
> current cvs reside?  (Is there a cvs?)  Is there a reason for us not to use 
> the sourceforge cvs?
> 
> -Ben
> 
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Re: cvs repository

[Joe C. <jo...@sw...>]

Got a mouse in your pocket, Ben?  Who is this 'we' you keep talking about?

Jamie has already said that patches go through him...there's no use 
having a public CVS if patches always go through our benevolent leader 
anyway (ever fetched a CVS snapshot of the Linux kernel--no?  Why not?). 
  Webmin is, currently, and may always be a one man show.  Jamie has 
done a marvellous job making Webmin extensible and modifiable without 
having everyone able to change the core parts of the package--this makes 
sense in a lot of way, and because that's the way Jamie likes it, it's 
the way it's got to be.

 From my time on the Webmin mailing lists, I can say that I think you 
will find, he is happy to accept patches that fix problems.  Bug reports 
will also probably find an eager ear.  Complaints of semantic or web 
design tastes and sensibilities are generally less eagerly received.

Just my .02.

Benjamin Meyer wrote:

> I noticed that we are not using sourceforge's cvs for the repository.  I 
> couldn't find a developers page in the webmin website.  Where does the 
> current cvs reside?  (Is there a cvs?)  Is there a reason for us not to use 
> the sourceforge cvs?
> 
> -Ben


                                   --
                      Joe Cooper <jo...@sw...>
                  Affordable Web Caching Proxy Appliances
                         http://www.swelltech.com

Re: cvs repository

[Ryan W. M. <ry...@gu...>]

> Jamie has already said that patches go through him...there's no use
> having a public CVS if patches always go through our benevolent leader
> anyway (ever fetched a CVS snapshot of the Linux kernel--no?  Why not?).
>   Webmin is, currently, and may always be a one man show.  Jamie has
> done a marvellous job making Webmin extensible and modifiable without
> having everyone able to change the core parts of the package--this makes
> sense in a lot of way, and because that's the way Jamie likes it, it's
> the way it's got to be.

I disagree with the assertion "there's no use having a public CVS"... it
would be nice to use cvsweb to get diffs between versions.  Maybe not for
everybody, but I know I'd use it.

Just _my_ $.02. :)  I do concur that Jamie willingly accepts patches.

-r


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Re: cvs repository

[Nick J. <ni...@na...>]

On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 02:34:55PM -0400, Ryan W. Maple wrote:
> 
> I disagree with the assertion "there's no use having a public CVS"... it
> would be nice to use cvsweb to get diffs between versions.  Maybe not for
> everybody, but I know I'd use it.
> 
> Just _my_ $.02. :)  I do concur that Jamie willingly accepts patches.
> 

 Yes, i agree. Even anon access to do only cvs checkouts would be nice.
 all changes would still have to go through him, but then people could
 get vital updates before a release is made, and get the latest code
 to start working with if they want to add a new feature and then submit
 it back to jamie, and save him the trouble of having to modify it to
 incorporate any changes he's made since the last release.


-- 
  Nick Jennings

Re: cvs repository

[Benjamin M. <be...@me...>]

On Tuesday 19 June 2001 14:40, you wrote:
> Got a mouse in your pocket, Ben?  Who is this 'we' you keep talking about?

By "we" I am refering to people that are developing webadmin.  That is what 
this list is for am I wrong?  I havn't been on the list long enough to know 
that jamie is the only one who accepts patches.  I have submited a patch to 
him, but that was before I even looked into seeing if there was a cvs.

> Jamie has already said that patches go through him...there's no use
> having a public CVS if patches always go through our benevolent leader
> anyway (ever fetched a CVS snapshot of the Linux kernel--no?  Why not?).

There are in fact linux cvs trees, but they are not the official reposity, 
sorry couldn't resist.

>   Webmin is, currently, and may always be a one man show.  Jamie has
> done a marvellous job making Webmin extensible and modifiable without
> having everyone able to change the core parts of the package--this makes
> sense in a lot of way, and because that's the way Jamie likes it, it's
> the way it's got to be.

If you are talking about modules then I agree.  They should be kept 
seperate.

>  From my time on the Webmin mailing lists, I can say that I think you
> will find, he is happy to accept patches that fix problems.  Bug reports
> will also probably find an eager ear.  Complaints of semantic or web
> design tastes and sensibilities are generally less eagerly received.

Why is this?  We are hackers are we not?  We pride ourseves on our ability to 
make clean code that works.  We do not care about "ui"  But somewhere along 
the line I really started to care about how the user interacts with the 
application.  Maybe it is because most of the applications in linux have ui's 
that are poorly made.  I started to read books about how to improve your ui.  
It got into my development life when I started Kaim.  You can read the story 
here:  http://kaim.sourceforge.net/about.shtml  But around that time i was 
still submitting ui changes to gaim.  But I started to get flames from 
everywhere for unknown reasons.  People who didn't even develop gaim were 
submitting bugs to the kaim bugs list the went along the line of "you suck".  
Talk about happy days.  Here I was trying to help gaim and getting nothing 
but bad vibes.  I had to sit down and explain that I am not saying "your app 
sucks" or anything, but I wanted to make gaim better and easier for the user 
because that was something I knew how to do.  Now me and Eric are good buds 
and often will tell each other of problems that we find in each others 
applications.  
     I vowed to not go and start another application if I could join a new 
team and so that is what I am here to do.  Want qualifications?  Go look at 
kaim for good ui design, clean code, and project managment experiance.  I 
know that there arn't enough hours in my day to start a new project on my own 
especially if it were to be duped by another opensource app.  So before 
people start flaming me here I thought I would try to explain myself.
     Kaim is done and I am looking for a new challange.  If webmin isn't 
looking for someone like me then say so and I will find some other web based 
admin project to join.  But if you are then I might as well warn you that I 
will probably make suggestions on just about everything.  I will say that foo 
might look better as a foobar and what is more surprising is that you will 
find that you didn't really care about foo untill I said something.  But what 
you need to remember is that I am not saying that is totally wrong (and it 
can't be for it is has worked so far), but that there might be another 
solution and to take a look at this solution with an open eye.

-Benjamin Meyer


> Just my .02.
>
> Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > I noticed that we are not using sourceforge's cvs for the repository.  I
> > couldn't find a developers page in the webmin website.  Where does the
> > current cvs reside?  (Is there a cvs?)  Is there a reason for us not to
> > use the sourceforge cvs?
> >
> > -Ben
>
>                                    --
>                       Joe Cooper <jo...@sw...>
>                   Affordable Web Caching Proxy Appliances
>                          http://www.swelltech.com
>
>
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Re: cvs repository

[Jamie C. <jca...@we...>]

Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> 
> I noticed that we are not using sourceforge's cvs for the repository.  I
> couldn't find a developers page in the webmin website.  Where does the
> current cvs reside?  (Is there a cvs?)  Is there a reason for us not to use
> the sourceforge cvs?

As other people have mentioned, there is no CVS repository for webmin yet.
What I might do in future is setup a kind of read-only CVS so that people
can download the very latest version from sourceforge, but I am kind of
reluctant to move to a full read-write repository in which multiple people
can make updates.

This is because almost all of the current development is done by me, and
there doesn't seem to be any problem with people submitting patches by
email. Also, there is plenty of scope for developing modules that themes
that are totally separate from the core code ..

 - Jamie

Re: cvs repository

[Benjamin M. <be...@me...>]

If you use sourceforge's cvs and you are the only developer then by default 
anyone can co a read-only version of the current cvs and only you can 
add/change.  Only if you give a perticular devloper access can they make 
changes to it.

-Benjamin


On Tuesday 19 June 2001 18:56, Jamie Cameron wrote:
> Benjamin Meyer wrote:
> > I noticed that we are not using sourceforge's cvs for the repository.  I
> > couldn't find a developers page in the webmin website.  Where does the
> > current cvs reside?  (Is there a cvs?)  Is there a reason for us not to
> > use the sourceforge cvs?
>
> As other people have mentioned, there is no CVS repository for webmin yet.
> What I might do in future is setup a kind of read-only CVS so that people
> can download the very latest version from sourceforge, but I am kind of
> reluctant to move to a full read-write repository in which multiple people
> can make updates.
>
> This is because almost all of the current development is done by me, and
> there doesn't seem to be any problem with people submitting patches by
> email. Also, there is plenty of scope for developing modules that themes
> that are totally separate from the core code ..
>
>  - Jamie
>
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