web-erp-developers

[Web-erp-developers] Re: Desktop manuals

[Phil D. <ph...@du...>]

Hi Danie,

> How do I check out a specific version from CVS and then run a diff on
> that version. Specifically I am making the changes against 2.8 and want
> to do a diff against that so I can send the diffs to you as I go along.
> It should be easier to review than everything at once.

The CVS always contains the very latest scripts I always update as I make any 
mods. Don't forget that Jessie is working on a substanital effort to give us 
serialised stock, which she is about to send me scripts for. So if you have 
major mods may be best to hold off till I get Jessie's stuff committed to the 
CVS.


Phil

[Web-erp-developers] Re: Desktop manuals

[Phil D. <ph...@du...>]

> However while experimenting, I created a credit note with a random
> value. Then proceeded to allocate against customer invoices. Some money
> remained. This got me thinking WHAT IF the operator accidentally type a
> digit wrong or add one, then what ? I tested this scenario and found
> that there was no way to correct/modify this and also you can not credit
> a negative value, it refused. ( An option would be to allow negative
> credit values for overcharge credit type.) However it got me thinking
> that you might be able to correct this with a Journal entry, however I
> have not tested this because I am still busy with the Supplier Order
> Desktop Manual. As you pointed out this is not possible. Everything else
> I have tried to mess up I managed to correct.
>
> What is your opinion on this scenario ? How can this problem be fixed ?
> Should it be fixed, if not how do you balance the books then ? It is the
> books I am concerned with, both the company's accounts and the customer
> account.

You can fix it with an invoice of a dummy item. The dummy item being of a=20
stock category that posts to the right place to reverse the credit - this i=
s=20
a little messy and perhaps a journal facility might be good for opening=20
balances too.

>
> Revised Manuals Available here again. If you are happy with it please
> put it on Sourceforge
> Replace the Login Screen in the document if you would like to.
> http://www.b2brus.co.za/downloads/WebERPMan/DesktopManual.doc
> http://www.b2brus.co.za/downloads/WebERPMan/DesktopManual.pdf
> http://www.b2brus.co.za/downloads/WebERPMan/DesktopManual.sxw
>

Below is my contribution to your manual as requested - hope it's ok.

About the creator(s) of WebERP.
WebERP is the product of countless hours of effort, most of the time an=20
enjoyable tussle with logic for its own sake. As a CA and businessman with =
a=20
perverse lust for internal process improvement and a belief in the power of=
=20
software to drive that improvement, webERP has become a conduit for my view=
s=20
on how the basic business processes should be preformed. I have enjoyed the=
=20
input from others in this regard and the evolution of both the system and m=
y=20
views throughout its development to date.
Having gone through this, largely for the challenge and pleasure of doing s=
o,=20
the irony is that without businesses taking advantage of webERP, the whole=
=20
exercise has been a massive waste of time. The very focus of process=20
improvement is of course to eliminate waste!

This is hopefully the beginning of the journey as more and more like-minded=
=20
individuals see the value of webERP and their contributions (of code) furth=
er=20
enhance the functionality and  appeal of webERP.

Phil Daintree =E2=80=93 BA(Hons) CA

Why WebERP and not commercial ?

Why not a commercial product or an alternative like Compi=C3=A9re?=20

(This is complex - I am not sure if this should be in the manual really but=
=20
this is my 2c - actually this may be more a $1 worth.)

There are good reasons to adopt a commercial system. Many years of developm=
ent=20
by professionals, the backing of possibly an international company and=20
someone to blame if it all goes pear shaped =E2=80=93 to name a few. It is =
much=20
easier to use commercial systems that have accumulated some credibility in=
=20
the eyes of the accounting profession. Also, commercial companies are more=
=20
likely to have the necessary marketing spend to put the product in front of=
=20
would be users and promote its features and benefits. There is no doubt tha=
t=20
marketing influences perceptions and that perceptions are particularly=20
important in mission critical software. To repeat the clich=C3=A9:

=E2=80=9CNo one was ever fired for buying IBM/HP=E2=80=9D

There are also some persuasive reasons against commercial software. Having=
=20
purchased a license to run a commercial system, there is no one else to tur=
n=20
to when it doesn't do exactly what the business needs it to do. Many=20
businesses have experienced this now. This puts the business in a very=20
difficult situation, it is beholden to the software company:
1.The software vendor is the only company where modifications can be made.=
=20
2.The software vendor is the only company that can truly support the produc=
t=20
and know the inner workings of the program. They effectively become a=20
monopoly as soon as the software is sold. Ongoing support contracts can=20
become very expensive.
3.Taking legal action against the software company for breach of contract=20
would limit the businesses ability to continue using the software with=20
effective support.
4.When things go wrong there is no other company to turn to, to resolve=20
problem.The business is stuck with the software vendor and the alternative,=
=20
to change the system completely is often prohibitively expensive.

The only way around these problems is to have access to the source code of =
the=20
software. This is not traditionally available in commercial software=20
licensing arrangements.

=46urther, there are powerful arguments for open source software. The eyes =
and=20
scrutiny of the code by so many programmers results in higher quality code=
=20
and software that is consequently more reliable. Bugs reports are actively=
=20
encouraged and can be repaired by anyone. In use by a business, web-erp=20
invites the business to create scripts to exactly meet its needs rather tha=
n=20
try to fit within the confines of the square hole of closed source software=
=2E=20
The business is truly free to make the software work precisely according to=
=20
its own rules, not those of the commercial software vendor.=20
=46inally, open source software has the advantage of being very cost effect=
ive!
There are now a number of other open source systems. Where webERP is strong=
=20
relative to other open source accounting systems is:
1.The accessibility of the PHP code, all written in plain english. Abstract=
ion=20
which does not add to the efficiency of the code has been actively avoided.=
=20
Use of only the one programming language - PHP, reduces the knowledge=20
necessary to be able to effect meaningful modifications. PHP is widely=20
regarded as one of the more straightforward languages to program with.
2.Minimal requirements of the client computers. Only a web-browser and pdf=
=20
reader are required.
3.The basic infrastructure is cheap, PHP and MySQL can run on virtually all=
=20
computers and are themselves open source software.
4.Since it is web-based it offers low cost wide area networking. Using SSL =
=E2=80=93=20
it offers a very low cost and efficient VPN.

Phil

Re: [Web-erp-developers] Re: Desktop manuals

[Danie B. <br...@na...>]

Hi Phil

In response to your section on :
Why WebERP and not commercial ?
and your (2c worth) I agree with you, the answer I was looking for (for
this manual), was covered in the first section (About the creator(s) of
WebERP). I will have a look and see where I can use your other section's
persuasive arguments (Why WebERP and not commercial ?). Maybe, on the
site as a reason on why, also maybe an introductory news letter,
promotional material, etc.

Thanks again for the input, I did add the other section to the foreword.
I will probably, now after speaking, to the printers still produce extra
manuals but they will now be published in a single book. Costs are
inhibitive, cost of a single manual amount to about R80 about US$ 11,
while producing about a hundred will cost about R19 about US$ 2.7
exchange 7:1. However manual will be bound in white sleeve with WebERP
Image and name on cover and spline, glue bound, size A4. However at this
time I will have to produce one at a time and therefore R80 per manual
and therefore all in one.

I will let you know when that is done.

Updated book is available as usual @
http://www.b2brus.co.za/downloads/WebERPMan/DesktopManual.doc
http://www.b2brus.co.za/downloads/WebERPMan/DesktopManual.pdf
http://www.b2brus.co.za/downloads/WebERPMan/DesktopManual.sxw

Kind Regards
Danie Brink br...@b2...


On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 12:06, Phil Daintree wrote: 

> > However while experimenting, I created a credit note with a random
> > value. Then proceeded to allocate against customer invoices. Some money
> > remained. This got me thinking WHAT IF the operator accidentally type a
> > digit wrong or add one, then what ? I tested this scenario and found
> > that there was no way to correct/modify this and also you can not credit
> > a negative value, it refused. ( An option would be to allow negative
> > credit values for overcharge credit type.) However it got me thinking
> > that you might be able to correct this with a Journal entry, however I
> > have not tested this because I am still busy with the Supplier Order
> > Desktop Manual. As you pointed out this is not possible. Everything else
> > I have tried to mess up I managed to correct.
> >
> > What is your opinion on this scenario ? How can this problem be fixed ?
> > Should it be fixed, if not how do you balance the books then ? It is the
> > books I am concerned with, both the company's accounts and the customer
> > account.
> 
> You can fix it with an invoice of a dummy item. The dummy item being of a 
> stock category that posts to the right place to reverse the credit - this is 
> a little messy and perhaps a journal facility might be good for opening 
> balances too.
> 
> >
> > Revised Manuals Available here again. If you are happy with it please
> > put it on Sourceforge
> > Replace the Login Screen in the document if you would like to.
> > http://www.b2brus.co.za/downloads/WebERPMan/DesktopManual.doc
> > http://www.b2brus.co.za/downloads/WebERPMan/DesktopManual.pdf
> > http://www.b2brus.co.za/downloads/WebERPMan/DesktopManual.sxw
> >
> 
> Below is my contribution to your manual as requested - hope it's ok.
> 
> About the creator(s) of WebERP.
> WebERP is the product of countless hours of effort, most of the time an 
> enjoyable tussle with logic for its own sake. As a CA and businessman with a 
> perverse lust for internal process improvement and a belief in the power of 
> software to drive that improvement, webERP has become a conduit for my views 
> on how the basic business processes should be preformed. I have enjoyed the 
> input from others in this regard and the evolution of both the system and my 
> views throughout its development to date.
> Having gone through this, largely for the challenge and pleasure of doing so, 
> the irony is that without businesses taking advantage of webERP, the whole 
> exercise has been a massive waste of time. The very focus of process 
> improvement is of course to eliminate waste!
> 
> This is hopefully the beginning of the journey as more and more like-minded 
> individuals see the value of webERP and their contributions (of code) further 
> enhance the functionality and  appeal of webERP.
> 
> Phil Daintree – BA(Hons) CA
> 
> Why WebERP and not commercial ?
> 
> Why not a commercial product or an alternative like Compiére? 
> 
> (This is complex - I am not sure if this should be in the manual really but 
> this is my 2c - actually this may be more a $1 worth.)
> 
> There are good reasons to adopt a commercial system. Many years of development 
> by professionals, the backing of possibly an international company and 
> someone to blame if it all goes pear shaped – to name a few. It is much 
> easier to use commercial systems that have accumulated some credibility in 
> the eyes of the accounting profession. Also, commercial companies are more 
> likely to have the necessary marketing spend to put the product in front of 
> would be users and promote its features and benefits. There is no doubt that 
> marketing influences perceptions and that perceptions are particularly 
> important in mission critical software. To repeat the cliché:
> 
> “No one was ever fired for buying IBM/HP”
> 
> There are also some persuasive reasons against commercial software. Having 
> purchased a license to run a commercial system, there is no one else to turn 
> to when it doesn't do exactly what the business needs it to do. Many 
> businesses have experienced this now. This puts the business in a very 
> difficult situation, it is beholden to the software company:
> 1.The software vendor is the only company where modifications can be made. 
> 2.The software vendor is the only company that can truly support the product 
> and know the inner workings of the program. They effectively become a 
> monopoly as soon as the software is sold. Ongoing support contracts can 
> become very expensive.
> 3.Taking legal action against the software company for breach of contract 
> would limit the businesses ability to continue using the software with 
> effective support.
> 4.When things go wrong there is no other company to turn to, to resolve 
> problem.The business is stuck with the software vendor and the alternative, 
> to change the system completely is often prohibitively expensive.
> 
> The only way around these problems is to have access to the source code of the 
> software. This is not traditionally available in commercial software 
> licensing arrangements.
> 
> Further, there are powerful arguments for open source software. The eyes and 
> scrutiny of the code by so many programmers results in higher quality code 
> and software that is consequently more reliable. Bugs reports are actively 
> encouraged and can be repaired by anyone. In use by a business, web-erp 
> invites the business to create scripts to exactly meet its needs rather than 
> try to fit within the confines of the square hole of closed source software. 
> The business is truly free to make the software work precisely according to 
> its own rules, not those of the commercial software vendor. 
> Finally, open source software has the advantage of being very cost effective!
> There are now a number of other open source systems. Where webERP is strong 
> relative to other open source accounting systems is:
> 1.The accessibility of the PHP code, all written in plain english. Abstraction 
> which does not add to the efficiency of the code has been actively avoided. 
> Use of only the one programming language - PHP, reduces the knowledge 
> necessary to be able to effect meaningful modifications. PHP is widely 
> regarded as one of the more straightforward languages to program with.
> 2.Minimal requirements of the client computers. Only a web-browser and pdf 
> reader are required.
> 3.The basic infrastructure is cheap, PHP and MySQL can run on virtually all 
> computers and are themselves open source software.
> 4.Since it is web-based it offers low cost wide area networking. Using SSL – 
> it offers a very low cost and efficient VPN.
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Web-erp-developers] Re: Desktop manuals

[jesse <je...@st...>]

couple things -=20
Jesse, not Jessie. Jesse is also literally missing an eye, which I =
sometimes use as a spelling reminder, and a little pun that I get a kick =
out of, so you can too
Jesse is he, not she.

that is all :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: web...@li...
> [mailto:web...@li...]On Behalf Of =
Phil
> Daintree
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 04:38
> To: web...@li...
> Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Re: Desktop manuals
>=20
>=20
> Hi Danie,
>=20
> > How do I check out a specific version from CVS and then run a diff =
on
> > that version. Specifically I am making the changes against 2.8 and =
want
> > to do a diff against that so I can send the diffs to you as I go =
along.
> > It should be easier to review than everything at once.
>=20
> The CVS always contains the very latest scripts I always update=20
> as I make any=20
> mods. Don't forget that Jessie is working on a substanital effort=20
> to give us=20
> serialised stock, which she is about to send me scripts for. So=20
> if you have=20
> major mods may be best to hold off till I get Jessie's stuff=20
> committed to the=20
> CVS.
>=20
>=20
> Phil
>=20
>=20
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> Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of
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administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D1470&alloc_id=3D3638&op=3Dcli=
ck
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>=20

Re: [Web-erp-developers] Re: Desktop manuals

[Daintree <p.d...@pa...>]

Whoops! Sorry Jesse!

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "jesse" <je...@st...>
To: <web...@li...>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:33 AM
Subject: RE: [Web-erp-developers] Re: Desktop manuals


> couple things -
> Jesse, not Jessie. Jesse is also literally missing an eye, which I
sometimes use as a spelling reminder, and a little pun that I get a kick out
of, so you can too
> Jesse is he, not she.
>
> that is all :)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: web...@li...
> > [mailto:web...@li...]On Behalf Of Phil
> > Daintree
> > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 04:38
> > To: web...@li...
> > Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Re: Desktop manuals
> >
> >
> > Hi Danie,
> >
> > > How do I check out a specific version from CVS and then run a diff on
> > > that version. Specifically I am making the changes against 2.8 and
want
> > > to do a diff against that so I can send the diffs to you as I go
along.
> > > It should be easier to review than everything at once.
> >
> > The CVS always contains the very latest scripts I always update
> > as I make any
> > mods. Don't forget that Jessie is working on a substanital effort
> > to give us
> > serialised stock, which she is about to send me scripts for. So
> > if you have
> > major mods may be best to hold off till I get Jessie's stuff
> > committed to the
> > CVS.
> >
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials
> > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of
> > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system
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> > _______________________________________________
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> > Web...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/web-erp-developers
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [Web-erp-developers] Re: Desktop manuals

[Daintree <p.d...@pa...>]

I mean JESSE - I definetly got that now :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "jesse" <je...@st...>
To: <web...@li...>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:33 AM
Subject: RE: [Web-erp-developers] Re: Desktop manuals


> couple things -
> Jesse, not Jessie. Jesse is also literally missing an eye, which I
sometimes use as a spelling reminder, and a little pun that I get a kick out
of, so you can too
> Jesse is he, not she.
>
> that is all :)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: web...@li...
> > [mailto:web...@li...]On Behalf Of Phil
> > Daintree
> > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 04:38
> > To: web...@li...
> > Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Re: Desktop manuals
> >
> >
> > Hi Danie,
> >
> > > How do I check out a specific version from CVS and then run a diff on
> > > that version. Specifically I am making the changes against 2.8 and
want
> > > to do a diff against that so I can send the diffs to you as I go
along.
> > > It should be easier to review than everything at once.
> >
> > The CVS always contains the very latest scripts I always update
> > as I make any
> > mods. Don't forget that Jessie is working on a substanital effort
> > to give us
> > serialised stock, which she is about to send me scripts for. So
> > if you have
> > major mods may be best to hold off till I get Jessie's stuff
> > committed to the
> > CVS.
> >
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials
> > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of
> > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system
> > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click
> > _______________________________________________
> > Web-erp-developers mailing list
> > Web...@li...
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/web-erp-developers
> >
>
>
>
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