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Another license of a very successfull community is the the common public
license of www.eclipse.org

Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Daintree" <ph...@du...>
To: <web...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Lisencing

> Do you not think there should be an obligation to contribute back any
In gnu there is no obligation to contribute back. There is only a chance
that someone wants to sell commercially built add-on's, but that is almost
impossible because it violates the license.
Or the other way around: When you have a commercial software package and
want to integrate this with WEB-ERP, then it's very hard because your
commercial software needs to be released as gnu too!
That's why lot's of people avoid to use gnu software packages and do not
build easy add-on's which start as a commercial customisation. They can't
decide with the gnu license to contribute it later the project. The decision
should be made beforehand the add-on's are developed.
> developments. I really just want a right of refusal ie in most
circumstances
Contribution which you do not want to integrate with WEB-ERP, would be
excellent to be published like oscommerce does:
http://www.oscommerce.com/community/contributions
> the specifics of a particular business will be such that I would not want
to
> build them in, but at least be given the opportunity to include them if
> deemed appropriate.
>
> This stuff is kind of academic in many respects since you can download
it -
When  WEB-ERP grows, then there are not many people who are able to maintain
their own variants without an opensource community. The proof is: there is
only one popular apache server, there is only one mozilla, there is only one
compiere,
> most folks will with nary a second thought. However, lets make it as easy
as
> possible - I did look at the Apache first version over the weekend I will
> look at the mk II one. It basically looked like open slather - my only
> caveat is that I want contributions back - I cant enforce this so maybe
open
> slather would encourage more feedback?  The few contributions of code
> received to date have been much appreciated but I would prefer more - what
> is the best way to encourage that?
Freedom, so no obligations! This will grow the number of installations of
WEB-ERP and this will also grow the number of contributions.

>
> Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "skaill" <sk...@ro...>
> To: <web...@li...>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Lisencing
>
>
> > I agree with Dick.
> >
> > I have done considerable reading over the past few days of several of
the
> > licenses and the principles of OSI.  The Apache license seems to be the
> > best.  Not Apache Software License 1.1 created in 2000 but Apache
License
> > 2.0 created in 2004.  It seems to be the most reasonable, thorough and
> > designed to move Open Source forward in the quickest and best way.  The
> 2000
> > version was too open.  GPL is extremely closed so that practically no
one
> > would ever want to do anything with a product having it.
> >
> > The newest version of GPL was created in 1991.  I think Open Source has
> come
> > a long way since that time and some better licenses including Apache
> exist.
> > I think it is reasonable.  It leads to maximum entities being involved
and
> > contributing.  It protects original and derived works without forcing
> every
> > single thing done to be a contribution.  I believe in choice and it
allows
> > choice to everyone while protecting that which already exists.
> >
> > That's just my opinion after reading it all over.
> >
> > The OSI and many licenses can be found at http://www.opensource.org/.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Daintree" <p.d...@pa...>
> > To: <web...@li...>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Lisencing
> >
> >
> > > I will do a bit of reading Dick.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 11:40, Stins, Dick wrote:
> > > > Phil,
> > > >
> > > > I prefer a less restrictive license like mozilla, mit, apache or
> > berkely.
> > > > GNU is too hard to understand and you have a bigger chance to
violate
> it
> > > > accidently.
> > > >
> > > > I guess it's also better to for the acceptance of web-erp when I see
> the
> > > > acceptance of projects like mozilla, apache and compiere.
> > > >
> > > > Dick
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Daintrees" <p.d...@pa...>
> > > > To: <web...@li...>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 1:19 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Lisencing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I certainly wouldn't want a restrictive lisence - I am not into
all
> > the
> > > > > legalise - I just want the system to be widely used and to be  the
> > best it
> > > > > can be - encouraging developers to feedback their changes to the
> > project
> > > > > seems like a good way and to have this as a requirement of the
> lisence
> > > > makes
> > > > > sense to me. The fact that it is completely unenforcable is a side
> > issue!
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "skaill" <sk...@ro...>
> > > > > To: <web...@li...>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:10 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Lisencing
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > In regard to the GPL, I think I was reading about a newer and
> better
> > > > > > licensing that seems like a better encouragement for all to get
> > involved
> > > > > > including business yet keeps the necessary ingredients of the
GPL.
> > Have
> > > > > you
> > > > > > considered that license instead, Phil?  I don't mean to be
pushy,
> > just
> > > > > > asking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Phil Daintree" <ph...@du...>
> > > > > > To: "Web ERP Developers"
> <Web...@li...>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:36 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Lisencing
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In reponse to Steve's question:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Having said that, if we run into a customer who has a
> > multilanguage
> > > > > > > requirement what are the concerns >under the licencing of us
> > > > customizing
> > > > > > > webERP as I've discussed for them? To my understanding that is
> > >ok,
> > > > > right?
> > > > > > > Should I be asking this type of question here or in a
different
> > > > forum?!
> > > > > > > >Having said that, if we run into a customer who has a
> > multilanguage
> > > > > > > requirement what are the concerns >under the licencing of us
> > > > customizing
> > > > > > > webERP as I've discussed for them? To my understanding that is
> > >ok,
> > > > > right?
> > > > > > > Should I be asking this type of question here or in a
different
> > > > forum?!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am pretty relaxed about all this stuff. I would prefer that
> any
> > > > > > > modifications made were at least offered back to the project
for
> > the
> > > > > > benefit
> > > > > > > of any others. However, I am aware of folks who just rip it
off
> > make
> > > > > cool
> > > > > > > modifications which they do not then include as open source
and
> > feel
> > > > no
> > > > > > > prick of conscience in doing so. Clearly my ability to police
> the
> > GPL
> > > > is
> > > > > > > pretty limited - I am much more interested in developing new
> > > > > functionality
> > > > > > > thats why I plead and beg for help in doing so. In terms of
> > > > > multi-language
> > > > > > > stuff which might compromise stability I didn't have the
stomach
> > for
> > > > it
> > > > > > when
> > > > > > > Sherif and Hani wanted to have a go that's why Open Accounting
> was
> > > > > > started -
> > > > > > > it looks like they are floundering with this project and it
> makes
> > me
> > > > > > > particularly nervous in going down that track too. I think if
> > anyone
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > have pulled it off those guys could and my preference would be
> for
> > > > > > resources
> > > > > > > and help re language support to go to Open-Accounting rather
> than
> > > > > > > re-inventing the wheel with web-erp.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am not sure where they are up to with their project I think
> they
> > may
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > re-written large chunks of web-erp in a more elegant way (from
> the
> > > > > > computer
> > > > > > > scientist/purist perspective) - but I expect that it will not
be
> > so
> > > > easy
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > a business person to get their head into with classes and
> > abstraction
> > > > at
> > > > > > > every turn. This is another aim of web-erp that I expect will
be
> > > > > > compromised
> > > > > > > by Open-Accounting. The low bandwidth requirement aim has also
> > been
> > > > > > > steamrollered. However, I am still hoping it will re-surface
as
> a
> > good
> > > > > > > multi-language alternative.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Phil
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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