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Re: [Web-erp-developers] StoreFront/Catalog and webERP
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From: Daintrees <p.d...@pa...> - 2004-09-11 22:06:58
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I have no problem with the software being packaged/marketed and sold on. Most of the cost of commercial software is in the sales and marketing of it - there needs to be some reward to justify the expense/pain of marketing. As I understand the GPL this is ok as per SuSE Red Hat et all - they all charge for their wares. Open source does not necessarily mean no cost/charge software. Also, please re-distribute at will! However, the source should also be available in any redistribution - with the same rules applying to the re-distribution as applies to webERP. A credit to webERP is only polite I think. There is an obligation to feed the modified code back to webERP. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "skaill" <sk...@ro...> To: <web...@li...> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:29 AM Subject: Fw: [Web-erp-developers] StoreFront/Catalog and webERP > Correction: > It can be used but not redistributed > should be > It can be used but not redistributed/sold for a price > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "skaill" <sk...@ro...> > To: <web...@li...> > Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] StoreFront/Catalog and webERP > > > > Hi Meraj, > > > > I took a good look around your entire website. Couldn't find Vector SOHO > in > > software though. Here are a couple of comments to make a good site > better. > > > > 1) The front page forces the customer to select a store section. It would > > be better for the customer to come right into that main menu and to put > all > > the text info on the "front page" into the area underneath on that menu > > page. That would then become the "front page"/Home page. It would come > up > > again when the customer clicked on Home instead of home putting them into > > software ejecting them from the menu. > > > > 2) Clicking on store front actually puts you straight into software. > Should > > there not be a store front introduction that appears in the area below the > > menu when they choose store front? After they get into the store then > they > > could select one of the section in the second store front menu. > > > > 3) I would suggest changing "Store Front" to "Store", "Catalog", > "Shopping" > > or "Products". The term "Store Front" is mostly used on the inside > > technically. Users/customers may not like that term as much. Possibly > some > > use it but I haven't seen or noticed. > > > > 4) When I look at the site in Mozilla I get all kinds of mysql warning > > messages. > > > > These are just some suggestions to make something good even better. It's > > all just from my opinion too but maybe it helps. > > > > Was the site custom done by somebody or is it produced through a generator > > store front type software? > > > > Here is how I would do mesh the webERP customer accounts and orders. > > > > 1) You could use the facilities of webERP for customers logging in and > > ordering to a certain extent. What you will need in addition is to give > the > > customers a way to create an account with the necessary information. As > it > > stands the administrator setup area in webERP is where this is done but > you > > done want customers to have full access to that area. So, you could take > > the code from the user setup in webERP and modify it so that customers can > > create their accounts. You would make it so they always get customer > access > > and nothing else plus you may want to add some info that you or the web > > store need in addition to what webERP has. Possibly credit card info or > > something. This is all assuming customers create their own accounts. If > > they call in and you set them up then disregard this part. It does make > it > > much more difficult for customers if they have to so that though. If you > > want time to approve them then when they create their account you could > set > > them to blocked, inactive or whatever and then after you take a look at > > their info then you unblock them at which time they can then shop. In the > > process of copying and changing the webERP user setup I would change it to > > have the website style/appearance. > > > > 2) Copy the webERP login script and modify to have the style of the > website. > > This copied and modified page is what the customers will see but it will > do > > the same as the webERP login. I would probably modify it to only accept > > customers and no other users who would have more access. That's just > added > > security to prevent the small chance of anybody hacking into your > accounting > > system. > > > > 3) Copy the webERP order entry script and modify to work appropriately for > > customers and to have only the fields and functions necessary for them to > > use. webERP probably already does this but if not, you may need to modify > > that copied script to only display and create orders for that customer. > You > > don't want them seeing and changing other customer's information. > > > > 4) I think there is a customer account section/script too. Copy and > modify > > this to appear like the website. > > > > 5) If you want to go even further then you should have an add to order > > button with each product. When they click it the code would add a new > order > > line to their order. If it is the first one then possibly you tell them > to > > create an order first or create it automatically and get them to fill out > > the particulars when they want to submit it. > > > > I think that accomplishes everything you need and in the easiest way. > > > > Keep in mind that as far as I understand you can use the webERP code for > > your own site but you can't use that code if you are going to sell it. In > > other words you can't take the code, put it into your store front package > > and then sell your store front package to others. It can be used but not > > redistributed. Plus you should display a credit to webERP. In a corner > of > > the modified webERP pages you could have something like "Powered by webERP > > accounting software" and a link so they can click to get to the webERP > site. > > It would really help all of us if you could do that as well. The more > > people know, the better for all of us including yourself ;) > > > > Also, if you want, it could be a big bonus to webERP if you offered the > > copied and modified scripts. We may be able to use it to build in a store > > front in the future with credit to you of course ;) > > > > I knew this message was going to take some time in order to respond > > thoroughly and that's why it took me a while to respond. > > > > Hopefully this all helps... > > > > Steve > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Meraj Rasool Khattak" <mrk...@ya...> > > To: <web...@li...> > > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 12:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] StoreFront/Catalog and webERP > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Steve/Phill thanks for your comments and help. Sorry > > > for not replying immediately as I was trying to make > > > store flow the way I would like it to function. I hope > > > looking at store will help convey better than I could > > > express in words. > > > > > > Please read on for my reply which is inline. > > > > > > > > > --- skaill <sk...@ro...> wrote: > > > > > > > Phil can correct me if I get anything incorrect > > > > here. It kind of depends on > > > > whether you need customer access for ordering or a > > > > pretty web storefront for > > > > advertising, selling, ordering and paying. > > > > > > > > > > We need both :-) if we can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > webERP, > > > > to the best of my > > > > knowledge, is not setup to be a storefront, it is an > > > > accounting/business/ERP > > > > > > > > > > Agreed ! we wish if we could add a storefront to > > > webERP which is easy to use and maintain for small > > > businesses. > > > > > > > > > > > system so the way the customer is going to see the > > > > products is the same as > > > > the users in the company see them internally. > > > > > > > > > > Please see www.salaama.com, I would suggest you to > > > check the Software store and in that store Vector SOHO > > > 3.2 as it has more complete flow of our store as > > > compare to other products in any store. > > > > > > If you click at "Your Account" on top or "Login Here" > > > on the right or if you select any product by clicking > > > on "Buy This", all point to webERP login. Where you > > > can check it with the user id "testy" and password > > > "pakbill" (it is a customer login only account). Here > > > again you will find what was outside (before logging > > > in). Here if you select any item by clicking on "Buy > > > This" it should open the webERP ordering page (where a > > > user adds product in webERP to order). > > > > > > We would like here "Buy This" to add products to the > > > customer's order. Any help / tip / suggesstions about > > > the best way to acheive this. > > > > > > > > > > > What webERP does already give > > > > you is a common database for storage of products and > > > > orders. It has > > > > mechanisms to create and access orders. It has > > > > authentication. Plus > > > > creating the web orders directly in webERP means > > > > they are ready to move > > > > through all the various accounting without any > > > > double work and interfacing > > > > being necessary. > > > > > > > > > > Yes! this is the functionality which attracted us to > > > go for webERP though our size of operation can never > > > dream of using any ERP system. Thanks Phill :-) > > > > > > > > > > > If a nice storefront is needed then that is a > > > > separate beast. You would > > > > need to either: > > > > > > > > 1) Enhance webERP to present a nice web store front, > > > > display product and > > > > organize this customer site in the ways that are > > > > appealing. > > > > > > Yes! you are right on dot. > > > > > > > > > > > 2) About the same mission as 1 but you take an > > > > existing store front and > > > > combine it with webERP. > > > > > > > > > > What about this one. It is simple and template based > > > design. > > > > > > > > > > > However, I doubt there is any cost effective > > > > solution out there that > > > > provides both full accounting/erp system and fully > > > > functional storefront so > > > > whichever system you used you would need to do the > > > > work explained above > > > > anyway. In my opinion you want to go with webERP > > > > because it's technology > > > > and design make it easier to combine a storefront > > > > with it than other > > > > systems. > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully this helps. > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > Your comments and guideance were most helpful. Hope > > > you could spare some time once again. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > -Meraj Rasool Khattak > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > http://www.naqoosh.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > New and Improved Yahoo! 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