Re: [Web-erp-developers] Translation of sentence with parameters...

[Phil D. <we...@pa...>]

Looks like we crossed messages.
I will have a look at this class in more detail - if I must :-( It would
be a good feature not to be dependent on gettext being compiled in. It
does say stable. Its miserable to have to declare variables like this
though! 

P

On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 22:05, Hani Naguib wrote:
> Hi Phil,
> The class you mention below is the one I was talking about. It depends 
> on PEAR but
> removing this dependency was really simple although I can't remember 
> exactly what
> the dependency was, but it only took 30 mins to figure it out last time.
> 
> In the end you end up with this extra class (one php file) and I also 
> had another php
> file (language.php) in which I wrote some shortcut functions. This 
> removes the need for
> having gettext compiled into php. Remember most translators will 
> probably be working
> on their home pc, which probably does not have gettext. I seem to 
> remember it was an
> involving process to get gettext into php.
> 
> As for the variables issue I guess it will boil down to your 
> preferrence, since it is not a very
> common thing, it should not affect 80% of the translations, but would 
> mean someone
> translating into a new language may one day need to change the code.
> 
> By the way there is also an even less common feature to keep in mind 
> that has to do with
> the quantity of objects within translations.  For example
> 
> 'You have 2 ITEMS in your  bag"  is fine  for  numbers above 1, but
> 'You have 1 ITEMS in your  bag" is incorrect.
> 
> In Arabic it is even worse :) since there are three forms to consider, 
> single, dual and plural. :)
> 
> Hani
> 
> Phil Daintree wrote:
> 
> >*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
> >This is a good example.
> >
> >Why couldn't the translation string in messages.po be as follows
> >
> >msgid = "Display"
> >msgstr = "Mostra opzioni per il modulo"
> >
> >msgid = "options"
> >msgstr =' '
> >
> >the output for the English version is:
> >
> >Display $module options
> >
> >the output for the Italian version is:
> >
> >Mostra opzioni per il modulo $module
> >
> >Ok, I know this wouldn't work in some situations but the point is that
> >there are work arounds that might involve more imaginative use of
> >language rather than complex code and additional classes that would work
> >in a good proportion of cases. I would rather us explore these options
> >first.
> >
> >If we absolutely had to, 
> >as a last resort, 
> >after every other avenue had failed,
> >and there really is no other way .....
> >
> >and AFTER we have all the scripts 'gettextified' using the absolute bare
> >minimum of "fancy stuff" and if then there is still dissatisfaction I
> >would prefer to use a gettext class:
> >
> >http://phptal.sourceforge.net/bagpack/GetText/doc/gettext.variableinterpolation.html
> >
> >this creates another dependence though and I really really only want to
> >depend on PHP and a DB - nothing else. If it comes to this then it would
> >be better if we could include the minimal additional files in the
> >distribution so there is nothing extra to worry about in terms of PEAR
> >classes to install.
> >
> >Phil
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 20:31, luc...@pd... wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Hello all.
> >>As stated in my previous message, I was trying to solve the problem of sentences with one or more parameters. As an example just consider -"Display ". $ModuleName . " options:"- in www_users.
> >>Here's my proposed solution.
> >>I am using special tags in the tobetranslated and translated sentence, i.e :
> >>ENGLISH: Display __Parameter1__ options 
> >>ITALIAN: Mostra opzioni per il modulo __Parameter1__ 
> >>
> >>when I have to translate this sentence I make this call:
> >>translate('Display __Parameter1__ options',$ModuleName)
> >>
> >>Here's the definition of the function translate:
> >>function translate($idOfLabelToBeTranslated)
> >>{
> >>   global $lang;
> >>   if ($lang[$idOfLabelToBeTranslated]!=null){
> >>      $numargs = func_num_args();
> >>      if($numargs >1){
> >>        $arg_list = func_get_args();
> >>        $returnString=$lang[$idOfLabelToBeTranslated];
> >>        for ($i = 0; $i < $numargs; $i++) {
> >>          //echo "Argument $i is: " . $arg_list[$i] . "<br />\n";
> >>          $returnString = str_replace('__Parameter'.$i.'__',$arg_list[$i],$returnString);
> >>        }
> >>        return $returnString;
> >>      }
> >>      else //number of arguments is 1
> >>         return $lang[$idOfLabelToBeTranslated];
> >>   }
> >>   else //there is no translated label in the array
> >>     return $idOfLabelToBeTranslated;
> >>}
> >>
> >>As you can see it takes a variable number of arguments. If we have more than 1 argumentes, i.e. some parameters have to be inserted in the sentence, it simply gets the translated label, which contains the varios strings __Parameter1__ ... __ParameterN__. Then it substitutes the parameter string with the values passed as arguments.
> >>
> >>The main concern I still have on this solution is:
> >>"__ParameterN__" as the tobereplaced string is cabled, thus every translator has to keep in mind to strictly use this formalism. Of course any suggestion on how to choose a formalism wich can be surely not confused with any real life word, will be appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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