Re: [Web-erp-developers] file imports for serial items

[skaill <sk...@ro...>]

Ah.  And since we don't want the variables hard code translated then it
wouldn't do to translate the entire string.

Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jesse Peterson" <je...@st...>
To: <web...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] file imports for serial items


> php is interpreted in it's execution, but these functions occur within
> the execution, so it was a crap shoot as to which way gettext is
> written. Phil has repsonded to say he tested and that gettext in fact
> does parse & interpret the string before matching it for translation.
>
> jesse
>
>
> skaill wrote:
>
> >I could be way off track but I'm thinking that PHP is interpreted, not
> >compiled.  Therefore, it does not know what to do with a string until it
is
> >executing the function/command upon that string.  For instance, the
function
> >could be to simply copy the string.  This means you would want to copy
"Hi
> >$UserID" as "Hi $UserID", not "Hi Tom".  If so, it would be the echo that
> >indicates what to do with the string.  Since the echo is executed after
the
> >gettext then the string passed to gettext would contain the variable name
> >and not the contents of the variable.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Jesse Peterson" <je...@st...>
> >To: <web...@li...>
> >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:57 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] file imports for serial items
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>No, my thought was the translator would be told that things starting
> >>with $ were a variable, usually a number,  (and I suppose a possible
> >>explanation of that) so they could just move them around in the
> >>translated string. I suppose a way to think of what I'm taking about is
> >>an array keyed by a full string, including variable, that had values of
> >>the translated string that should be used.
> >>Alas, as you said, it does not work like that with gettext - I supposed
> >>the 'smart' it is depends on how you might wish it to work ;)   And I
> >>wasn't just suggesting it work the shorter code, it was really for the
> >>more accurate translation to help make things look that much better in
> >>the eyes of others. Still, being able to attract the user base of most
> >>any language is a very good thing, so this project you guys have
> >>undertaken is quite admirable. Glad I can help.
> >>
> >>jesse
> >>
> >>
> >>Phil Daintree wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Thinking a little more - we dont really want variable names translated
> >>>anyway - the scripts will always be in English and using the variables
> >>>would be tough if they were actually translated to something else.
> >>>
> >>>gettext works on a bunch on languages as well as PHP but it is really
> >>>only working purely with strings.
> >>>
> >>>Phil
> >>>
> >>>On Sun, 2004-09-05 at 16:19, Jesse Peterson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>That would be a great help re internationalization.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>One question on this... I saw that you asked that this be done:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>echo "<P>A long string full of $NumberOfCharacters characters";
> >>>>>>would need to be re-written as:
> >>>>>>echo '<P>' . _('A long string full of') . ' ' . $NumberOfCharacters
.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >'
> >
> >
> >>>>>>' . _('characters');
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>It makes perfect senses and is easy to follow. I also do not know
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >gettext much at all. The root of what I am wondering is if php evaluates
a
> >variable in a "num = $TheNum" style string before gettext translates it
or
> >not. If not, it would probably make things a lot easier on potential
> >translators to work with:
> >
> >
> >>>>  _("A long string full of $NumberOfCharacters characters");
> >>>>instead of:
> >>>>  _('A long string full of') . ' ' . $NumberOfCharacters . ' ' .
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >_('characters');
> >
> >
> >>>>Luckily our code keeper is committed to readable code, so the variable
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >name should generally describe what it is. That would give a translator 2
> >things - more full context to what they are translating and one less
> >translation to do. I also know languages just enough to know that piecing
> >together english translations in the manner underway does not necessarily
> >produce coherent output. The more a message can be presented with
context,
> >the better the translation will be.
> >
> >
> >>>>Just a thought - not sure how feasible it is...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>jesse
> >>>>
> >>>>
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