Re: [Web-erp-developers] Lisencing

[Phil D. <ph...@du...>]

Do you not think there should be an obligation to contribute back any
developments. I really just want a right of refusal ie in most circumstances
the specifics of a particular business will be such that I would not want to
build them in, but at least be given the opportunity to include them if
deemed appropriate.

This stuff is kind of academic in many respects since you can download it -
most folks will with nary a second thought. However, lets make it as easy as
possible - I did look at the Apache first version over the weekend I will
look at the mk II one. It basically looked like open slather - my only
caveat is that I want contributions back - I cant enforce this so maybe open
slather would encourage more feedback?  The few contributions of code
received to date have been much appreciated but I would prefer more - what
is the best way to encourage that?

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "skaill" <sk...@ro...>
To: <web...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Lisencing


> I agree with Dick.
>
> I have done considerable reading over the past few days of several of the
> licenses and the principles of OSI.  The Apache license seems to be the
> best.  Not Apache Software License 1.1 created in 2000 but Apache License
> 2.0 created in 2004.  It seems to be the most reasonable, thorough and
> designed to move Open Source forward in the quickest and best way.  The
2000
> version was too open.  GPL is extremely closed so that practically no one
> would ever want to do anything with a product having it.
>
> The newest version of GPL was created in 1991.  I think Open Source has
come
> a long way since that time and some better licenses including Apache
exist.
> I think it is reasonable.  It leads to maximum entities being involved and
> contributing.  It protects original and derived works without forcing
every
> single thing done to be a contribution.  I believe in choice and it allows
> choice to everyone while protecting that which already exists.
>
> That's just my opinion after reading it all over.
>
> The OSI and many licenses can be found at http://www.opensource.org/.
>
> Steve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Daintree" <p.d...@pa...>
> To: <web...@li...>
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Lisencing
>
>
> > I will do a bit of reading Dick.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 11:40, Stins, Dick wrote:
> > > Phil,
> > >
> > > I prefer a less restrictive license like mozilla, mit, apache or
> berkely.
> > > GNU is too hard to understand and you have a bigger chance to violate
it
> > > accidently.
> > >
> > > I guess it's also better to for the acceptance of web-erp when I see
the
> > > acceptance of projects like mozilla, apache and compiere.
> > >
> > > Dick
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Daintrees" <p.d...@pa...>
> > > To: <web...@li...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 1:19 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Lisencing
> > >
> > >
> > > > I certainly wouldn't want a restrictive lisence - I am not into all
> the
> > > > legalise - I just want the system to be widely used and to be  the
> best it
> > > > can be - encouraging developers to feedback their changes to the
> project
> > > > seems like a good way and to have this as a requirement of the
lisence
> > > makes
> > > > sense to me. The fact that it is completely unenforcable is a side
> issue!
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "skaill" <sk...@ro...>
> > > > To: <web...@li...>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:10 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Web-erp-developers] Lisencing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > In regard to the GPL, I think I was reading about a newer and
better
> > > > > licensing that seems like a better encouragement for all to get
> involved
> > > > > including business yet keeps the necessary ingredients of the GPL.
> Have
> > > > you
> > > > > considered that license instead, Phil?  I don't mean to be pushy,
> just
> > > > > asking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Phil Daintree" <ph...@du...>
> > > > > To: "Web ERP Developers"
<Web...@li...>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:36 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Web-erp-developers] Lisencing
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > In reponse to Steve's question:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Having said that, if we run into a customer who has a
> multilanguage
> > > > > > requirement what are the concerns >under the licencing of us
> > > customizing
> > > > > > webERP as I've discussed for them? To my understanding that is
> >ok,
> > > > right?
> > > > > > Should I be asking this type of question here or in a different
> > > forum?!
> > > > > > >Having said that, if we run into a customer who has a
> multilanguage
> > > > > > requirement what are the concerns >under the licencing of us
> > > customizing
> > > > > > webERP as I've discussed for them? To my understanding that is
> >ok,
> > > > right?
> > > > > > Should I be asking this type of question here or in a different
> > > forum?!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am pretty relaxed about all this stuff. I would prefer that
any
> > > > > > modifications made were at least offered back to the project for
> the
> > > > > benefit
> > > > > > of any others. However, I am aware of folks who just rip it off
> make
> > > > cool
> > > > > > modifications which they do not then include as open source and
> feel
> > > no
> > > > > > prick of conscience in doing so. Clearly my ability to police
the
> GPL
> > > is
> > > > > > pretty limited - I am much more interested in developing new
> > > > functionality
> > > > > > thats why I plead and beg for help in doing so. In terms of
> > > > multi-language
> > > > > > stuff which might compromise stability I didn't have the stomach
> for
> > > it
> > > > > when
> > > > > > Sherif and Hani wanted to have a go that's why Open Accounting
was
> > > > > started -
> > > > > > it looks like they are floundering with this project and it
makes
> me
> > > > > > particularly nervous in going down that track too. I think if
> anyone
> > > > could
> > > > > > have pulled it off those guys could and my preference would be
for
> > > > > resources
> > > > > > and help re language support to go to Open-Accounting rather
than
> > > > > > re-inventing the wheel with web-erp.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not sure where they are up to with their project I think
they
> may
> > > > > have
> > > > > > re-written large chunks of web-erp in a more elegant way (from
the
> > > > > computer
> > > > > > scientist/purist perspective) - but I expect that it will not be
> so
> > > easy
> > > > > for
> > > > > > a business person to get their head into with classes and
> abstraction
> > > at
> > > > > > every turn. This is another aim of web-erp that I expect will be
> > > > > compromised
> > > > > > by Open-Accounting. The low bandwidth requirement aim has also
> been
> > > > > > steamrollered. However, I am still hoping it will re-surface as
a
> good
> > > > > > multi-language alternative.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Phil
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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