From: Miguel A. Figueroa-V. <mi...@ie...> - 2009-03-03 14:14:56
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Hello Everyone. I recall there was a discussion about using wiki for vxl and an initial post by Matt of the VXL Book in the wiki infrastructure that sourceforge provides. I would like to add to this discussion that I recently learned that sourceforge is providing a "Hosted Apps" service that includes several apps that the project can activate with an opt-in option: http://apps.sourceforge.net/trac/sitedocs/wiki/Hosted%20Apps. Among the hosted apps is the alternative of mediawiki as a wiki platform and MantisBT for bug tracking, but better yet (IMHO) is the trac addition which provides wiki/bug tracker/milestone integration. I think there are several interesting apps in there which can help us evolve to a better software development process... Any thoughts on this? or preferences? --Miguel -- Miguel A. Figueroa Villanueva +1 787 832-4040 x.3205 Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering University of Puerto Rico - Mayagüez Campus |
From: Matthew L. <mat...@gm...> - 2009-03-03 15:01:58
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I agree that something needs to change with state of VXL documentation. I'm in favor of a wiki for an FAQ, install instructions, and maybe the Book (or something like it). I would be fine with the keeping the texinfo book if it worked, but it is broken. The book on the website has not been built for 14 months. As a texinfo novice I can't even figure out how to build a local copy. There are no build instructions for the book that I can see, and the make file doesn't seem to work. Does anyone know how to fix this? I think a bug tracker and other development tools also sound like a good idea if someone is willing to set them up and maintain them. Unfortunately, I'm currently overloaded with vpdl and vidl2 and trying to finish a thesis. I have no more time to volunteer. In the short term, I'll continue to write texinfo chapters for vpdl and vidl2, even though I can't see the compiled results. Matt On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Miguel A. Figueroa-Villanueva wrote: > Hello Everyone. > > I recall there was a discussion about using wiki for vxl and an > initial post by Matt of the VXL Book in the wiki infrastructure that > sourceforge provides. I would like to add to this discussion that I > recently learned that sourceforge is providing a "Hosted Apps" service > that includes several apps that the project can activate with an > opt-in option: http://apps.sourceforge.net/trac/sitedocs/wiki/Hosted%20Apps > . > > Among the hosted apps is the alternative of mediawiki as a wiki > platform and MantisBT for bug tracking, but better yet (IMHO) is the > trac addition which provides wiki/bug tracker/milestone integration. I > think there are several interesting apps in there which can help us > evolve to a better software development process... > > Any thoughts on this? or preferences? > > --Miguel > > -- > Miguel A. Figueroa Villanueva > +1 787 832-4040 x.3205 > Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering > University of Puerto Rico - Mayagüez Campus > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San > Francisco, CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source > code: SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > Vxl-maintainers mailing list > Vxl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vxl-maintainers |
From: Miguel A. Figueroa-V. <mi...@ie...> - 2009-03-03 19:04:41
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Well, if it is volunteering that is needed I can play around with the "Hosted Apps" feature in sourceforge and set things up (although that would mean needing administrator privileges). I don't think it takes much to set it up (the legwork being done by sourceforge). However, I think we would need consensus on what direction to take (that is, what tools to activate). I would like to see VXL to have a wiki site and bug/issue tracker. Code review sounds nice, but my experience with the VXL community suggests that we are all overwhelmed to be able to spare time for this (although it could help for integrating newcomers to the process). In summary, if there is interest in this I could work on configuring trac or mediawiki+MantisBT. If there are already preferences on which tools to use, then we should discuss these and then I could work on configuring those. --Miguel On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Matthew Leotta <mat...@gm...> wrote: > I agree that something needs to change with state of VXL documentation. I'm > in favor of a wiki for an FAQ, install instructions, and maybe the Book (or > something like it). I would be fine with the keeping the texinfo book if it > worked, but it is broken. The book on the website has not been built for 14 > months. As a texinfo novice I can't even figure out how to build a local > copy. There are no build instructions for the book that I can see, and the > make file doesn't seem to work. Does anyone know how to fix this? > > I think a bug tracker and other development tools also sound like a good > idea if someone is willing to set them up and maintain them. Unfortunately, > I'm currently overloaded with vpdl and vidl2 and trying to finish a thesis. > I have no more time to volunteer. > > In the short term, I'll continue to write texinfo chapters for vpdl and > vidl2, even though I can't see the compiled results. > > Matt > > > On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Miguel A. Figueroa-Villanueva wrote: > >> Hello Everyone. >> >> I recall there was a discussion about using wiki for vxl and an >> initial post by Matt of the VXL Book in the wiki infrastructure that >> sourceforge provides. I would like to add to this discussion that I >> recently learned that sourceforge is providing a "Hosted Apps" service >> that includes several apps that the project can activate with an >> opt-in option: >> http://apps.sourceforge.net/trac/sitedocs/wiki/Hosted%20Apps. >> >> Among the hosted apps is the alternative of mediawiki as a wiki >> platform and MantisBT for bug tracking, but better yet (IMHO) is the >> trac addition which provides wiki/bug tracker/milestone integration. I >> think there are several interesting apps in there which can help us >> evolve to a better software development process... >> >> Any thoughts on this? or preferences? >> >> --Miguel >> >> -- >> Miguel A. Figueroa Villanueva >> +1 787 832-4040 x.3205 >> Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering >> University of Puerto Rico - Mayagüez Campus >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, >> CA >> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >> Enterprise >> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >> participation >> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: >> SFAD >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >> _______________________________________________ >> Vxl-maintainers mailing list >> Vxl...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vxl-maintainers > > -- Miguel A. Figueroa Villanueva +1 787 832-4040 x.3205 Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering University of Puerto Rico - Mayagüez Campus |
From: Matthew L. <mat...@gm...> - 2009-03-03 19:31:01
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personally I would prefer mediawiki+MantisBT only because I have some (very limited) experience using them. Is there an advantage to a unified wiki and bug tracker system? They seem like two very separate things to me. Matt On Mar 3, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Miguel A. Figueroa-Villanueva wrote: > Well, if it is volunteering that is needed I can play around with the > "Hosted Apps" feature in sourceforge and set things up (although that > would mean needing administrator privileges). I don't think it takes > much to set it up (the legwork being done by sourceforge). > > However, I think we would need consensus on what direction to take > (that is, what tools to activate). I would like to see VXL to have a > wiki site and bug/issue tracker. Code review sounds nice, but my > experience with the VXL community suggests that we are all overwhelmed > to be able to spare time for this (although it could help for > integrating newcomers to the process). > > In summary, if there is interest in this I could work on configuring > trac or mediawiki+MantisBT. If there are already preferences on which > tools to use, then we should discuss these and then I could work on > configuring those. > > --Miguel > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Matthew Leotta > <mat...@gm...> wrote: >> I agree that something needs to change with state of VXL >> documentation. I'm >> in favor of a wiki for an FAQ, install instructions, and maybe the >> Book (or >> something like it). I would be fine with the keeping the texinfo >> book if it >> worked, but it is broken. The book on the website has not been >> built for 14 >> months. As a texinfo novice I can't even figure out how to build a >> local >> copy. There are no build instructions for the book that I can see, >> and the >> make file doesn't seem to work. Does anyone know how to fix this? >> >> I think a bug tracker and other development tools also sound like a >> good >> idea if someone is willing to set them up and maintain them. >> Unfortunately, >> I'm currently overloaded with vpdl and vidl2 and trying to finish a >> thesis. >> I have no more time to volunteer. >> >> In the short term, I'll continue to write texinfo chapters for vpdl >> and >> vidl2, even though I can't see the compiled results. >> >> Matt >> >> >> On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Miguel A. Figueroa-Villanueva wrote: >> >>> Hello Everyone. >>> >>> I recall there was a discussion about using wiki for vxl and an >>> initial post by Matt of the VXL Book in the wiki infrastructure that >>> sourceforge provides. I would like to add to this discussion that I >>> recently learned that sourceforge is providing a "Hosted Apps" >>> service >>> that includes several apps that the project can activate with an >>> opt-in option: >>> http://apps.sourceforge.net/trac/sitedocs/wiki/Hosted%20Apps. >>> >>> Among the hosted apps is the alternative of mediawiki as a wiki >>> platform and MantisBT for bug tracking, but better yet (IMHO) is the >>> trac addition which provides wiki/bug tracker/milestone >>> integration. I >>> think there are several interesting apps in there which can help us >>> evolve to a better software development process... >>> >>> Any thoughts on this? or preferences? >>> >>> --Miguel >>> >>> -- >>> Miguel A. Figueroa Villanueva >>> +1 787 832-4040 x.3205 >>> Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering >>> University of Puerto Rico - Mayagüez Campus >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San >>> Francisco, >>> CA >>> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >>> Enterprise >>> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >>> participation >>> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source >>> code: >>> SFAD >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vxl-maintainers mailing list >>> Vxl...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vxl-maintainers >> >> > > > > -- > Miguel A. Figueroa Villanueva > +1 787 832-4040 x.3205 > Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering > University of Puerto Rico - Mayagüez Campus > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San > Francisco, CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source > code: SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > Vxl-maintainers mailing list > Vxl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vxl-maintainers |
From: Miguel A. Figueroa-V. <mi...@ie...> - 2009-03-03 20:59:18
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My user experience is also with mediawiki+MantisBT. However, trac seems to integrate a few things which I've been meaning to take advantage in my projects. Also, there are a few additional tools that you get. Citing from there website: "Trac allows wiki markup in issue descriptions and commit messages, creating links and seamless references between bugs, tasks, changesets, files and wiki pages. A timeline shows all current and past project events in order, making the acquisition of an overview of the project and tracking progress very easy. The roadmap shows the road ahead, listing the upcoming milestones." One of the most interesting features is the references to bug items in the commit logs and vice-versa, but I don't know how that would work integrated with sourceforge cvs... The following website summarizes the types of linking one can do: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracLinks --Miguel On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Matthew Leotta <mat...@gm...> wrote: > personally I would prefer mediawiki+MantisBT only because I have some > (very limited) experience using them. Is there an advantage to a > unified wiki and bug tracker system? They seem like two very separate > things to me. > > Matt > > > On Mar 3, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Miguel A. Figueroa-Villanueva wrote: > >> Well, if it is volunteering that is needed I can play around with the >> "Hosted Apps" feature in sourceforge and set things up (although that >> would mean needing administrator privileges). I don't think it takes >> much to set it up (the legwork being done by sourceforge). >> >> However, I think we would need consensus on what direction to take >> (that is, what tools to activate). I would like to see VXL to have a >> wiki site and bug/issue tracker. Code review sounds nice, but my >> experience with the VXL community suggests that we are all overwhelmed >> to be able to spare time for this (although it could help for >> integrating newcomers to the process). >> >> In summary, if there is interest in this I could work on configuring >> trac or mediawiki+MantisBT. If there are already preferences on which >> tools to use, then we should discuss these and then I could work on >> configuring those. >> >> --Miguel >> >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Matthew Leotta >> <mat...@gm...> wrote: >>> I agree that something needs to change with state of VXL >>> documentation. I'm >>> in favor of a wiki for an FAQ, install instructions, and maybe the >>> Book (or >>> something like it). I would be fine with the keeping the texinfo >>> book if it >>> worked, but it is broken. The book on the website has not been >>> built for 14 >>> months. As a texinfo novice I can't even figure out how to build a >>> local >>> copy. There are no build instructions for the book that I can see, >>> and the >>> make file doesn't seem to work. Does anyone know how to fix this? >>> >>> I think a bug tracker and other development tools also sound like a >>> good >>> idea if someone is willing to set them up and maintain them. >>> Unfortunately, >>> I'm currently overloaded with vpdl and vidl2 and trying to finish a >>> thesis. >>> I have no more time to volunteer. >>> >>> In the short term, I'll continue to write texinfo chapters for vpdl >>> and >>> vidl2, even though I can't see the compiled results. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:14 AM, Miguel A. Figueroa-Villanueva wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Everyone. >>>> >>>> I recall there was a discussion about using wiki for vxl and an >>>> initial post by Matt of the VXL Book in the wiki infrastructure that >>>> sourceforge provides. I would like to add to this discussion that I >>>> recently learned that sourceforge is providing a "Hosted Apps" >>>> service >>>> that includes several apps that the project can activate with an >>>> opt-in option: >>>> http://apps.sourceforge.net/trac/sitedocs/wiki/Hosted%20Apps. >>>> >>>> Among the hosted apps is the alternative of mediawiki as a wiki >>>> platform and MantisBT for bug tracking, but better yet (IMHO) is the >>>> trac addition which provides wiki/bug tracker/milestone >>>> integration. I >>>> think there are several interesting apps in there which can help us >>>> evolve to a better software development process... >>>> >>>> Any thoughts on this? or preferences? >>>> >>>> --Miguel >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Miguel A. Figueroa Villanueva >>>> +1 787 832-4040 x.3205 >>>> Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering >>>> University of Puerto Rico - Mayagüez Campus >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San >>>> Francisco, >>>> CA >>>> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >>>> Enterprise >>>> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >>>> participation >>>> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source >>>> code: >>>> SFAD >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Vxl-maintainers mailing list >>>> Vxl...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vxl-maintainers >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Miguel A. Figueroa Villanueva >> +1 787 832-4040 x.3205 >> Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering >> University of Puerto Rico - Mayagüez Campus >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San >> Francisco, CA >> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >> Enterprise >> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >> participation >> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source >> code: SFAD >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >> _______________________________________________ >> Vxl-maintainers mailing list >> Vxl...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vxl-maintainers > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > Vxl-maintainers mailing list > Vxl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/vxl-maintainers > -- Miguel A. Figueroa Villanueva +1 787 832-4040 x.3205 Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering University of Puerto Rico - Mayagüez Campus |
From: Amitha P. <ami...@us...> - 2009-03-06 14:34:27
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I think we definitely need to move to using a bug tracking system. The current method of patches posted on the mailing list is not working: we are losing track of reported issues. I don't think vxl has enough "full-time" people on it to be effective without a bug tracker and such. I haven't used trac to really know if this combined thing really works, but I'm willing to take someone else's word on it and adopt. We should make a choice and execute on this particular issue. (I'm not suggesting a path forward right now because I don't know enough to suggest anything concrete.) Amitha. |
From: Peter V. <pet...@ya...> - 2009-03-03 21:31:50
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Matt Leotta wrote: > I would be fine with keeping the texinfo book if it worked, > but it is broken. The book on the website has not been built > for 14 months. As a texinfo novice I can't even figure out > how to build a local copy. > There are no build instructions for the book that I can > see, and the makefile doesn't seem to work. > Does anyone know how to fix this? I tried to fix a few things in the makefile and some of the texi files, and also added some to-be-generated files to the CVS repository (since I assume the build process for those files is not that straightforward on some computers). For those who still can't run texi2html: a fresh set of generated html files can be found in http://vereniging.leuven.be/Kabaal/vxl-book.zip -- Peter. ___________________________________________________ Sök efter kärleken! Hitta din tvillingsjäl på Yahoo! Dejting: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;185753627;24584539;x?http://se.meetic.yahoo.net/index.php?mtcmk=148783 |
From: Matthew L. <mat...@gm...> - 2009-03-03 22:12:12
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Peter, Thank you for fixing this. Though I imagine we will still need someone at Kitware to kick start the nightly build on their servers and get it running again. I plan to continually expand vidl2 and vpdl chapters over the next few months and it would be nice to see those changes up on the website. Thanks, Matt On Mar 3, 2009, at 4:31 PM, Peter Vanroose wrote: > Matt Leotta wrote: >> I would be fine with keeping the texinfo book if it worked, >> but it is broken. The book on the website has not been built >> for 14 months. As a texinfo novice I can't even figure out >> how to build a local copy. >> There are no build instructions for the book that I can >> see, and the makefile doesn't seem to work. >> Does anyone know how to fix this? > > I tried to fix a few things in the makefile and some of the texi > files, and also added some to-be-generated files to the CVS > repository (since I assume the build process for those files is not > that straightforward on some computers). > > For those who still can't run texi2html: a fresh set of generated > html files can be found in http://vereniging.leuven.be/Kabaal/vxl-book.zip > > > -- Peter. > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________ > Sök efter kärleken! > Hitta din tvillingsjäl på Yahoo! Dejting: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;185753627;24584539;x?http://se.meetic.yahoo.net/index.php > ?mtcmk=148783 |