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Re: [Vim-latex-devel] amslatex package

[Mikolaj M. <mi...@wp...>]

On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 10:18:23AM -0500, Carl Mueller wrote:
> This is a plea for vim-latex to support ams-latex.  It is
> one of the main packages that mathematicians use, and is
> indicated by 
> \usepackage{amsmath,amsthm,amsfonts}
> (along with other possible options such as "amsthm", "amsfonts")
> vim-latex is certainly a step forward!  Thanks to everyone
> involved.

Hmm. Most(?) of special math signs provided by ams-latex are provided
with Math menu (and probably they stay there). Problem is with
environments and other things. I will do it in next few days. Is
amsguide.pdf good as a reference (I don't know ams-latex)?

Mikolaj
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[Vim-latex-devel] More details about changing environments, dots, polymorphism.

[Carl M. <cm...@ma...>]

I want to emphasize again that the ability to change
environments is a standard part of the emacs auctex
package.  It really should be included in vim-latex.  
I included it in auctex.vim with the following additions. 
They save a lot of time in my own typing:  

1.  Changing from "eqnarray" or "eqnarray*" to "equation" or "\[\]"
automatically deletes "&" and "\nonumber" and "\\".  

2.  Changing from "eqnarray" to "eqnarray*"
automatically deletes "\nonumber". 

I bound the environment-changing commands to <C-F1> through
<C-F5>.

-----------------

In emacs auctex, and also my package, typing "..." results
in "\dots".  This is absolutely logical, and it would be a
shame to leave it out.

-----------------

You might want to consider "polymorphic macros".  I
implemented the following:  

1.  In insert mode, <Alt-L> puts \left...\right in front of
the bracket to the right of the cursor, and the one before
the cursor.  If the line is blank, <Alt-L> puts in "\label{}".  
If the letter before the cursor is "q", then <Alt-L> results
in "\lefteqn{".  

2.  In insert mode, if the space before the cursor is blank, 
<Alt-C> inserts "\cite{}".  Otherwise, it capitalizes the
character before the cursor and encloses it in "\mathcal{}"

3.  On a blank line, in insert mode, <F5> asks the user for
the name of the environment, and creates the environment.
But one can also create the environment by typing its name,
and then typing <F5>.

I don't know if these kind of macros are too complicated for
most users, but I definitely prefer them.

Best wishes,
Carl Mueller

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] amslatex, correction

[Benji F. <be...@me...>]

Carl Mueller wrote:
> Sorry, I meant to say that amslatex is indicated by

      I use amslatex, too.  We will certainly add support for this, but 
I cannot promise how soon.  My personal todo list is already pretty long.

					--Benji

[Vim-latex-devel] compiler rules

[Benji F. <be...@me...>]

      I have a headache!

      Here is the current state of affairs.  When latex-suite/main.vim 
is called, the following things happen (details edited out):

* :source compiler.vim
*	:fun! SetTeXCompilerTarget()
*	:com! TCTarget :call SetTeXCompilerTarget()
* :fun! <SID>SetTeXOptions()
*	:setlocal sw ts isk
(This step should be deleted, but that is not today's headache.)
*	:TCTarget
*	:runtime compiler/tex.vim
* :call <SID>SetTeXOptions()

The net effect is that compiler/tex.vim is sourced after 
SetTexCompilerTarget() is called, so the compiler script sets 'makeprg'.

      At Srinath's request, I have uncommented the "runtime 
compiler/tex.vim" line; I commented this out in a revision a few days ago.

      If you guys trust me, I will make radical changes at some point. 
For now, my goal is to undo the damage I did, and maybe make a small 
improvement.  (My new setting for 'makeprg' works on more systems, I 
think.)  I have tested this on Linux, W95, and OSX.  (On OSX, it is a 
problem that compiler/tex.vim ignores the target format, since most 
users want pdf instead of dvi.)

      One thing I cannot figure out:  on W95, g:Tex_CompilerFormat is 
defined, and I cannot figure out where.  This variable is used in 
compiler/tex.vim and overrides all other methods.

					--Benji

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Re: bracket macros?

[Srinath A. <sr...@fa...>]

Hello!

I just had a look at the bracket changing functions in auctex.vim. Its a
pretty neat idea. Including those functions in latex-suite is definitely
the right thing to do...

We have to consolidate the latex-suite structure somewhat so that from
next time on, adding such contributions becomes seamless (plugins for
latex-suite?)

In the meanwhile, I will add the bracketing things manually when I next
get around to it (unless someone volunteers to do it).

Also, about amslatex, I am not too familiar with that. Mikolaj, you want
to take that up? A general doubt which I asked Mikolaj a long time ago:
is there a tool which parses a .sty file and is able to extract all the
options, commands etc? This might make supporting new packages easier.

Thanks,
Srinath


On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Hermitte Luc wrote:

PS: Hey Luc! Welcome to the group!

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] vim.sf.net

[Srinath A. <sr...@ee...>]

> > Are you sure? Latest commits seems rather necessary for include.
>
>       There is no need to rush.  Let's upload the next time that we
> agree we have a stable version.
>
Exactly. As of right now, Benji and I are still in doubt about the best
way to define a compiler rule. Since its such a fundamental part of
latex-suite, I think it will be better to wait for a bit. (Not too long,
I promise :) ).

>       I think the "Reply To" field would be a good idea.  One potential
> problem:  how do we reply to a user who posts a bug or question to the list?
>
Yeah. I thought of the same thing too... I guess we'll have to live with
the longer way until someone thiks of something better. Soon, I will get
lazy and start doing "reply all" without removing the sender...

-- 
Srinath

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] vim.sf.net

[Benji F. <be...@me...>]

Mikolaj Machowski wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:33:20PM -0800, Srinath Avadhanula wrote:
> 
>>Hey Mikolaj,
>>Thanks for taking care of the CTAN end... The .zip file on the downloads
>>page is a bit more stable than the present CVS repository. Can we use
>>that for the CTAN thingie?
> 
> 
> Are you sure? Latest commits seems rather necessary for include.

      There is no need to rush.  Let's upload the next time that we 
agree we have a stable version.

      I think the "Reply To" field would be a good idea.  One potential 
problem:  how do we reply to a user who posts a bug or question to the list?

					--Benji

[Vim-latex-devel] amslatex, correction

[Carl M. <cm...@ma...>]

Sorry, I meant to say that amslatex is indicated by

\usepackage{amsmath}

with further options such as amsthm, amsfonts.  
Amslatex is equal to latex among mathematicians.
It should be supported.  In particular, there are 
lots of environments like 

\begin{align}
\end{align}

\begin{align*}
\end{align*}

\begin{multline}
\end{multline

As well as handy options such as 

\numberwithin{equation}{section}

for numbering according to the section.

Best wishes,
Carl Mueller

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] vim.sf.net

[Mikolaj M. <mi...@wp...>]

On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:33:20PM -0800, Srinath Avadhanula wrote:
> Hey Mikolaj,
> Thanks for taking care of the CTAN end... The .zip file on the downloads
> page is a bit more stable than the present CVS repository. Can we use
> that for the CTAN thingie?

Are you sure? Latest commits seems rather necessary for include.

> if !exists("g:ttcoach_dir")
> 	let g:ttcoach_dir = expand("<sfile>:p:h:h")."/macros"
> endif
> This removes the dependency on the structure of the users $VIMFILES
> directory.

Thanks.

Mikolaj
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 http://vim.sourceforge.net/script.php?script_id=461

[Vim-latex-devel] Re: bracket macros?

[Hermitte L. <her...@fr...>]

* Earlier, I wrote:
> I will have more checkings to do, but I'm afraid you don't
> systematically use generical markers but sometimes still «». Which is
> bad. «» are the French quote characters used in LaTeX. 

Sorry. Forget about this part. I was expecting convertions using ¡mark!
while you directly translated «» from IMAP. I'm skeptical, but it works
with simple tests (i.e.: I didn't tried to insert «¡mark!»¡mark!). 

-- 
Luc Hermitte

[Vim-latex-devel] Re: bracket macros?

[Hermitte L. <her...@fr...>]

* On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 10:30:02AM -0500, Carl Mueller <cm...@ma...> wrote:
> I would definitely consider including macros for changing
> brackets into vim-latex.  I have some in my auctex.vim
> script (which I'm attaching), and I find these to be
> extremely useful for my own typing.

Carl,

Just in case, I found the brackets changing/deleting macros very nice.
But, they are not only useful to (La)TeX. So, I did include them in
a script dedicated to brackets handling: common-brackets.vim. I've
uploaded the latest version earlier on SF. Otherwise it is also
available on my web site.


Srinath, Mikolaj,
On a close topic, I've also updated my variation on Stephen Riehm's
initial bracketing system, and more particulary: the markers system.
Now, it is possible to jump forward and backward to markers.

I will have more checkings to do, but I'm afraid you don't
systematically use generical markers but sometimes still «». Which is
bad. «» are the French quote characters used in LaTeX. If you eventually
use my new system, you can statically change '«»' to
Markers_Txt({any-comment}). For a dynamical choice [1] of markers used,
deeper changes will be required. <adv>which I already manage in
lh-tex ;-)</adv>.

Regards,
[1] if you want to use «» in a English TeX buffer, but %%%() in a French
TeX buffer.
-- 
Luc Hermitte
http://hermitte.free.fr/vim

[Vim-latex-devel] suggestion

[Carl M. <cm...@ma...>]

For vim-latex, you certainly want a macro for changing
environments.  This is part of the emacs package "auctex",
and I implemented it in my auctex.vim script (which I
already sent you).

Best wishes,
Carl Mueller

[Vim-latex-devel] bracket macros?

[Carl M. <cm...@ma...>]

I would definitely consider including macros for changing
brackets into vim-latex.  I have some in my auctex.vim
script (which I'm attaching), and I find these to be
extremely useful for my own typing.

Best wishes,
Carl Mueller

[Vim-latex-devel] amslatex package

[Carl M. <cm...@ma...>]

This is a plea for vim-latex to support ams-latex.  It is
one of the main packages that mathematicians use, and is
indicated by 

\usepackage{amsmath,amsthm,amsfonts}

(along with other possible options such as "amsthm", "amsfonts")

vim-latex is certainly a step forward!  Thanks to everyone
involved.

Best wishes,
Carl Mueller

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Problem calling latex compiler

[Srinath A. <sr...@ee...>]

Fixed! Thanks! (The fix is not yet on the downloads page but will be
soon).

Srinath

On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Siegfried Bublitz wrote:

> Hello,
> When calling the tex compiler with \ll resp :call RunLaTeX()
> I got the message
>
> :!latex\\nonstopmode \\input\{paper\} |& tee /tmp/v783170/2
> latex\nonstopmode: Command not found.
>
> shell returned 1
>

[Vim-latex-devel] Problem calling latex compiler

[Siegfried B. <sb...@c-...>]

Hello,
When calling the tex compiler with \ll resp :call RunLaTeX()
I got the message

:!latex\\nonstopmode \\input\{paper\} |& tee /tmp/v783170/2
latex\nonstopmode: Command not found.

shell returned 1

This seems to be due to a missing space after the latex command.
I changed this in compiler/tex.vim, now it works.

Thanks for your work,

Best regards,

Siegfried

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Re: [Vim-latex-devel] vim.sf.net

[Srinath A. <sr...@ee...>]

Hey Mikolaj,

Thanks for taking care of the CTAN end... The .zip file on the downloads
page is a bit more stable than the present CVS repository. Can we use
that for the CTAN thingie?

Thanks,
Srinath

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Mikolaj Machowski wrote:

> Learn Touch Typing with Vim:
>  http://vim.sourceforge.net/script.php?script_id=461
>
BTW, ttcoach.vim is beautifully coded :) Just had a look.
Also,

if !exists("g:ttcoach_dir")
	let g:ttcoach_dir = "~/.vim/macros/"
endif

can be modified to:

if !exists("g:ttcoach_dir")
	let g:ttcoach_dir = expand("<sfile>:p:h:h")."/macros"
endif

This removes the dependency on the structure of the users $VIMFILES
directory.


-- 
Srinath Avadhanula
Nov 7 2:28pm
A well adjusted person is one who makes the same mistake twice without
getting nervous.

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] vim.sf.net

[Mikolaj M. <mi...@wp...>]

On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 10:14:13AM -0500, Benji Fisher wrote:
> >No, it would be better if everybody used vim.sf.net and registered their
> >vim scripts. Searching there doesn't turn up vim-latex nor lh-tex as I
> >can see.
> >--
> >Preben Randhol ---------------- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ --
> I agree with Preben.  We do not have to update it constantly, so long as 
> we provide a link.  We should also consider uploading to CTAN.  I am 
> willing to upload to vim.sf.net, and I will probably be willing to 
> upload to CTAN eventually, but I have never done that before.

Ha. I know the magic necessary to upload things to CTAN. I will do it in
next few days - if we agree that current version is bug-free?

Mikolaj
-- 
LaTeX + Vim = http://vim-latex.sourceforge.net/
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 http://vim.sourceforge.net/script.php?script_id=461

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Bug ?

[Mikolaj M. <mi...@wp...>]

On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 01:08:56PM +0100, tomek wrote:
> Hi,
> I think I've found a bug in vim-latex.
> When I choose package from menu TeX-Packages (for example hyperref) then
> \usepackage[]Ťť{hyperref}Ťť} is iserted.
>              ^^	         ^^
> Problem concern TeX-Environments too - for example itemize, after
> \end{itemize} the same strange chars are inserted.

This is not a bug. This is a feature :)


In latin1 Ťť are chars of big beauty <<>>. Unfortunately in latin2 (aka
iso-8859-2 and probably also in cp1250) in this place are Chech
diacritics. This pair is called placeholders (read :help placeholders).
You can use it to easy move through templates and environments.

Solution is common for all latin2 users:

In texrc is possibility of changing this characters. Eg. for '<>' Edit
your personal texr. Find section /Place Holder Options and change value
of proper variables.

Mikolaj
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[Vim-latex-devel] latex-suite uploaded on vim.sf.net

[Srinath A. <sr...@ee...>]

Hello,

I just put up Vim-LaTeX on vim.sf.net at

http://vim.sourceforge.net/script.php?script_id=475

The blurb which accompanies the file is as follows
(If you think I need to tone down the "advertisy" feel a little, let me
know).

-- 
Srinath

Vim-LaTeX (aka LaTeX-suite) is a mature project which aims at bringing
together the rich set of LaTeX tools the vim community has produced over
the years into one comprehensive package. It provides a set of tools
which enable you to do all your LaTeX-ing without needing to quit Vim.

Vim-LaTeX has its own web-page at:

http://vim-latex.sf.net/

Please visit there to get the latest version, documentation, screen shots etc.

A brief (not complete) list of the features currently supported by
Vim-LaTeX are as follows:

* Editing:  Latex-Suite ships with a very comprehensive set of insert
  mode and visual mode mappings and menu items to typeset most of the
  LaTeX elements. These range from 3 letter insert mode mappings which
  insert a skeleton of common typesetting elements to visual mode
  mappings which enclose the selected region in braces, parentheses,
  etc. The mappings can also be accessed via the menus.

* Compiling: You can compile the tex file from within vim. The list of
  errors is shown in a quickfix window so you can directly go to the
  location of an error. The compiler plugin can be dynamically
  reconfigured to show you more or less warnings.

* Viewing: By pressing a key from within vim, the .dvi viewer is started
  up. You can also do forward and inverse searching on your .dvi file
  from within vim.

* Folding: Latex-suite ships with the plugin SyntaxFolds.vim which is
  a plugin for creating "fake" syntax folds on the fly. The fold method
  is actually manual but the folding is based on LaTeX syntax. This
  offers a speed increase over regular syntax folding. When you open up
  a LaTeX file, all the portions will be automatically folded up.

* Packages: This module provides ways of customizing the menus based on
  which packages are being used in the current LaTeX file. When
  latex-suite first starts up, it scans the latex-master-file for
  \usepackage{name} lines and if the corresponding package is found in
  the latex-suite/packages/ directory, then creates a sub-menu based on
  the specification found in that file. See the list of currently
  supported packages.

* LaTeX help file: Latex-suite ships with the standard texinfo file
  translated into vim help format so that you can get help for common
  latex commands from within vim. You can view the html version of this
  file here.

* Dictionary: Latex-suite ships with a dictionary with over 600 LaTeX
  commands, which speeds up typing using the CTRL-X_d command of vim.

* Customized Templates: Latex-suite ships with some commonly used latex
  templates. It is trivial to add your own templates. The templates can
  contain dynamic data such as time of creation etc. See list of current
  templates.

* Customized Macros: Latex-suite makes it easy to add custom macros,
  again with the possibility of dynamic content and automatic cursor
  placement.


See

http://vim-latex.sf.net/index.php?subject=weare

for the list of maintainers / how to contact us.  Vim-LaTeX is currently
maintained by

Srinath Avadhanula
Mikolaj Machowski
Benji Fisher

INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS:

The installation instructions (along with the latest stable versions of
LaTeX-suite) are maintained at:

http://vim-latex.sf.net/index.php?subject=download

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] vim.sf.net

[Srinath A. <sr...@ee...>]

Yes... Registering on vim.sf.net is one thing which has been getting put
off since a loong long time... Anyway, I will do this sometime this
evening, after a quick test of a few things on my win32 machine. I also
have access to a solaris box where I can test things on, but I dont know
if I will do that.

Srinath

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Benji Fisher wrote:

>       Did you notice this thread on the vim users' list?
>
> > Fabio Spelta <fab...@ti...> wrote on 07/11/2002 (14:08) :
> > On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 12:12, Preben Randhol wrote:
> > ome suggestion about the nicest ones?
> >
> > http://vim-latex.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > Whoa. Others should ban their stuff from the web, so a search bring only
> > to that :)
> > (Hey, I'm jocking).
> >

-- 
Srinath Avadhanula
Nov 7 11:56am
You are the only person to ever get this message.

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Bug ?

[Benji F. <fis...@BC...>]

On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 07:08 AM, tomek wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think I've found a bug in vim-latex.
> When I choose package from menu TeX-Packages (for example hyperref) =
then
> \usepackage[]=AB=BB{hyperref}=AB=BB} is iserted.
>              ^^	         ^^
> Problem concern TeX-Environments too - for example itemize, after
> \end{itemize} the same strange chars are inserted.
>
> --
> Tom

      This is a feature, not a bug!  Try typing <C-J>, either from =
Insert=20
or Normal mode.  The idea is that the text is inserted, with the cursor=20=

inside the "[]".  Type in some options, then <C-J> takes you to the next=20=

logical place for continued typing.

      Improving the docs is on my TODO list...

					--Benji Fisher

[Vim-latex-devel] vim.sf.net

[Benji F. <fis...@BC...>]

      Did you notice this thread on the vim users' list?

> Fabio Spelta <fab...@ti...> wrote on 07/11/2002 (14:08) :
> On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 12:12, Preben Randhol wrote:
> ome suggestion about the nicest ones?
>
> http://vim-latex.sourceforge.net/
>
> Whoa. Others should ban their stuff from the web, so a search bring only
> to that :)
> (Hey, I'm jocking).
>
> No, it would be better if everybody used vim.sf.net and registered their
> vim scripts. Searching there doesn't turn up vim-latex nor lh-tex as I
> can see.
> --
> Preben Randhol ---------------- http://www.pvv.org/~randhol/ --

I agree with Preben.  We do not have to update it constantly, so long as 
we provide a link.  We should also consider uploading to CTAN.  I am 
willing to upload to vim.sf.net, and I will probably be willing to 
upload to CTAN eventually, but I have never done that before.

					--Benji

[Vim-latex-devel] Bug ?

[tomek <bel...@po...>]

Hi,

I think I've found a bug in vim-latex.
When I choose package from menu TeX-Packages (for example hyperref) then
\usepackage[]=AB=BB{hyperref}=AB=BB} is iserted.
             ^^	         ^^
Problem concern TeX-Environments too - for example itemize, after
\end{itemize} the same strange chars are inserted.

--=20
Tom

Re: [Vim-latex-devel] Next steps

[Benji F. <fis...@bc...>]

Mikolaj Machowski wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 02:59:05PM -0500, Benji Fisher wrote:
> >      I successfully upgraded my BIOS, installed my new 40-GB hard
> > drive, and started installing Linux.  It seems to be going smoothly, so
> > I will do some more vim-latex work soon.  (And my next e-mail might be
> > from the new system.)
> 
> Which distro?

     Red Hat 8.0.  I chose RH for ease of installation and support for
the Zaurus PDA.  I hope 8.0 was not a mistake...  I want to find drivers
for my wireless card and my Smart Cat track pad...

> OK. Lets return to Suite.
> 
> I'd like to add commenting[1] lines. Eg something like :vmap % .
> Implementing is easy but another question is important: Where it (and
> another new features go) should go? I don't see in current file
> structure place where this could go.
> 
> Mikolaj
> 
> [1] And uncommenting.

     There are already plugins that do commenting.  We could import one
of them, as a separate file.  Of course, LaTeX commenting is so simple
that this might be overkill.  I cannot recommend where to put it in the
existing files.  Personally, I would rather not use % for the mapping. 
With matchit.vim installed, "V%d" is a convenient way to delete from
"\begin{foo}" to "\end{foo}".

					--Benji