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From: Balaco B. <bal...@im...> - 2015-10-29 11:28:57
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A few weeks ago, after more struggling than I expected, I was abble to run UML. I recompiled the linux kernel from source; I did not use the root fs files available in the website, and found a Debian that seems to suit my needs. But yesterday I tried to execute it again, it did not work. The fact that yesterday I tried it through SSH makes a difference? Most of the command lines I had in my Bash history (long enough to have almost everything I did in the previous session with this problem). None of them worked. Most of them just seg fault in the beginning of execution. Error related to root fs (surprise for me!). Just two of the commands I tried did not seg fault immediatelly; but they also give no output, and I had to start another SSH session, at the same time, to be able to kill it (since ctrl+c and any other keyboard shortcuts) would be "processed" my uml. I'm not sure what to do now. This command line I executed right now: ./linux-2.6.24-x86_64 ubda=Debian-Wheezy-x86-root_fs mem=128M Execute in the folder where the root fs file exists, gives ONLY this output (almost immediatelly). It is through SSH. Is there a problem here? I expected an user/password "screen" or anything similar. The whole output I have for the above command, and I will let it waiting for several minutes, is: =========================================== Core dump limits : soft - 0 hard - NONE Checking that ptrace can change system call numbers...OK Checking syscall emulation patch for ptrace...OK Checking advanced syscall emulation patch for ptrace...OK Checking for tmpfs mount on /dev/shm...nothing mounted on /dev/shm Checking PROT_EXEC mmap in /tmp/...OK Checking for new_mm and switch_mm support in the host: /proc/self/mm ... Failed - No such file or directory Checking for the skas3 patch in the host: - /proc/mm...not found: No such file or directory - PTRACE_FAULTINFO...not found - PTRACE_LDT...not found UML running in SKAS0 mode Adding 29876224 bytes to physical memory to account for exec-shield gap Linux version 2.6.24-g91525300-dirty (jd...@am...) (gcc version 4.1.1 20070105 (Red Hat 4.1.1-51)) #1 Mon Jan 28 12:03:41 EST 2008 Built 1 zonelists in Zone order, mobility grouping on. Total pages: 39515 Kernel command line: ubda=Debian-Wheezy-x86-root_fs mem=128M root=98:0 PID hash table entries: 1024 (order: 10, 8192 bytes) Dentry cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Memory: 122164k available Mount-cache hash table entries: 256 Checking that host ptys support output SIGIO...Yes Checking that host ptys support SIGIO on close...No, enabling workaround net_namespace: 120 bytes Using 2.6 host AIO NET: Registered protocol family 16 NET: Registered protocol family 2 Time: itimer clocksource has been installed. IP route cache hash table entries: 2048 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) TCP established hash table entries: 8192 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) TCP bind hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) TCP: Hash tables configured (established 8192 bind 8192) TCP reno registered Checking host MADV_REMOVE support...OK mconsole (version 2) initialized on /home/folder/path/.uml/1DZd7v/mconsole ((! the above line was manually changed for this message; and the working folder is a subfolder in my home folder !)) VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 Dquot-cache hash table entries: 512 (order 0, 4096 bytes) io scheduler noop registered io scheduler anticipatory registered (default) io scheduler deadline registered io scheduler cfq registered TCP cubic registered NET: Registered protocol family 1 NET: Registered protocol family 17 Initialized stdio console driver Console initialized on /dev/tty0 console [tty0] enabled Initializing software serial port version 1 console [mc-1] enabled ubda: unknown partition table kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly. request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c =========================================== What do you suggest to try? -- Balaco -- http://www.fastmail.com - A fast, anti-spam email service. |
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From: Richard W. <ric...@gm...> - 2015-10-29 11:43:10
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Balaco Baco <bal...@im...> wrote: > A few weeks ago, after more struggling than I expected, I was abble to > run UML. I recompiled the linux kernel from source; I did not use the > root fs files available in the website, and found a Debian that seems to > suit my needs. > > But yesterday I tried to execute it again, it did not work. The fact > that yesterday I tried it through SSH makes a difference? > > Most of the command lines I had in my Bash history (long enough to have > almost everything I did in the previous session with this problem). None > of them worked. Most of them just seg fault in the beginning of > execution. Error related to root fs (surprise for me!). Just two of the > commands I tried did not seg fault immediatelly; but they also give no > output, and I had to start another SSH session, at the same time, to be > able to kill it (since ctrl+c and any other keyboard shortcuts) would be > "processed" my uml. I'm not sure what to do now. > > This command line I executed right now: > > ./linux-2.6.24-x86_64 ubda=Debian-Wheezy-x86-root_fs mem=128M You cannot use i386 userspace on a x86_64 kernel. > Execute in the folder where the root fs file exists, gives ONLY this > output (almost immediatelly). It is through SSH. Is there a problem > here? I expected an user/password "screen" or anything similar. > > The whole output I have for the above command, and I will let it waiting > for several minutes, is: > > =========================================== > Core dump limits : > soft - 0 > hard - NONE > Checking that ptrace can change system call numbers...OK > Checking syscall emulation patch for ptrace...OK > Checking advanced syscall emulation patch for ptrace...OK > Checking for tmpfs mount on /dev/shm...nothing mounted on /dev/shm > Checking PROT_EXEC mmap in /tmp/...OK > Checking for new_mm and switch_mm support in the host: > /proc/self/mm ... Failed - > No such file or directory > Checking for the skas3 patch in the host: > - /proc/mm...not found: No such file or directory > - PTRACE_FAULTINFO...not found > - PTRACE_LDT...not found > UML running in SKAS0 mode > Adding 29876224 bytes to physical memory to account for exec-shield gap > Linux version 2.6.24-g91525300-dirty (jd...@am...) > (gcc version 4.1.1 20070105 (Red Hat 4.1.1-51)) #1 Mon Jan 28 12:03:41 > EST 2008 > Built 1 zonelists in Zone order, mobility grouping on. Total pages: > 39515 > Kernel command line: ubda=Debian-Wheezy-x86-root_fs mem=128M root=98:0 > PID hash table entries: 1024 (order: 10, 8192 bytes) > Dentry cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) > Inode-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) > Memory: 122164k available > Mount-cache hash table entries: 256 > Checking that host ptys support output SIGIO...Yes > Checking that host ptys support SIGIO on close...No, enabling workaround > net_namespace: 120 bytes > Using 2.6 host AIO > NET: Registered protocol family 16 > NET: Registered protocol family 2 > Time: itimer clocksource has been installed. > IP route cache hash table entries: 2048 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) > TCP established hash table entries: 8192 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) > TCP bind hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes) > TCP: Hash tables configured (established 8192 bind 8192) > TCP reno registered > Checking host MADV_REMOVE support...OK > mconsole (version 2) initialized on > /home/folder/path/.uml/1DZd7v/mconsole > ((! the above line was manually changed for this message; and the > working folder is a subfolder in my home folder !)) > VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 > Dquot-cache hash table entries: 512 (order 0, 4096 bytes) > io scheduler noop registered > io scheduler anticipatory registered (default) > io scheduler deadline registered > io scheduler cfq registered > TCP cubic registered > NET: Registered protocol family 1 > NET: Registered protocol family 17 > Initialized stdio console driver > Console initialized on /dev/tty0 > console [tty0] enabled > Initializing software serial port version 1 > console [mc-1] enabled > ubda: unknown partition table > kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. > VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly. > request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c > request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c > request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c > request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c > request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c > > =========================================== > > What do you suggest to try? > > -- > Balaco > > > -- > http://www.fastmail.com - A fast, anti-spam email service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > User-mode-linux-user mailing list > Use...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/user-mode-linux-user -- Thanks, //richard |
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From: Richard W. <ri...@no...> - 2015-10-29 13:18:22
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Am 29.10.2015 um 14:14 schrieb Balaco Baco: > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed > before that end with error. > > The full execution, right now, is: > > ========================== > $./linux-2.6.24-x86_64 ubda=Debian-Wheezy-AMD64-root_fs mem=128M Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY? Thanks, //richard |
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From: Balaco B. <bal...@im...> - 2015-10-29 13:21:43
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 10:18, Richard Weinberger wrote: > Am 29.10.2015 um 14:14 schrieb Balaco Baco: > > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with > > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed > > before that end with error. > > > > The full execution, right now, is: > > > > ========================== > > $./linux-2.6.24-x86_64 ubda=Debian-Wheezy-AMD64-root_fs mem=128M > > Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY? > What is wrong with that? -- http://www.fastmail.com - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service |
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From: Balaco B. <bal...@im...> - 2015-10-29 13:46:34
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 10:21, Balaco Baco wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 10:18, Richard Weinberger wrote: > > Am 29.10.2015 um 14:14 schrieb Balaco Baco: > > > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with > > > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed > > > before that end with error. > > > > > > The full execution, right now, is: > > > > > > ========================== > > > $./linux-2.6.24-x86_64 ubda=Debian-Wheezy-AMD64-root_fs mem=128M > > > > Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY? > > > > What is wrong with that? > I don't see the problem, but indeed the error lines I sent have, among other things: "FATAL: kernel too old" Can someone please give me kernel version limits and how to find root_fs files to it? And how to run in (possibly) all kinds of real computers (if there are limits with this)? I don't see what I am doing wrong, but there are errors that look strange to me. Strange as "this should not be happening this way". If I get a newer kernel would it be fixed? But how did I run these before, everything normal? -- http://www.fastmail.com - Access your email from home and the web |
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From: Richard W. <ric...@gm...> - 2015-10-29 14:12:56
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Balaco Baco <bal...@im...> wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 10:18, Richard Weinberger wrote: >> Am 29.10.2015 um 14:14 schrieb Balaco Baco: >> > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with >> > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed >> > before that end with error. >> > >> > The full execution, right now, is: >> > >> > ========================== >> > $./linux-2.6.24-x86_64 ubda=Debian-Wheezy-AMD64-root_fs mem=128M >> >> Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY? If you want me to help, please use a recent/supported kernel. Ready-to-use root filesystems can be found everywhere. For example: http://fs.devloop.org.uk/ -- Thanks, //richard |
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From: Balaco B. <bal...@im...> - 2015-10-29 15:26:20
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 11:12, Richard Weinberger wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Balaco Baco <bal...@im...> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 10:18, Richard Weinberger wrote: > >> Am 29.10.2015 um 14:14 schrieb Balaco Baco: > >> > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with > >> > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed > >> > before that end with error. > >> > > >> > The full execution, right now, is: > >> > > >> > ========================== > >> > $./linux-2.6.24-x86_64 ubda=Debian-Wheezy-AMD64-root_fs mem=128M > >> > >> Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY? > > If you want me to help, please use a recent/supported kernel. > Ready-to-use root filesystems can be found everywhere. > For example: http://fs.devloop.org.uk/ > I'm not sure now, but the two Debian root fs I'm using were downloaded from the site you point here. Later I'll check their sums, and PS this in a next message. Kernels 2.6.* were recent and assumed to be supported in most places I could need - or so I assumed. What is your definition of recent and your definition of supported? This may be useful for many other users of UML I guess. The fact that the kernels offered in the UML website didn't work, and then I tried to compile from source should be pointed here. I don't think I have done something so weird or uncommon here - mainly because I don't need much as long as I have flexibility to execute it. -- http://www.fastmail.com - Or how I learned to stop worrying and love email again |
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From: Richard W. <ric...@gm...> - 2015-10-29 15:54:39
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Balaco Baco <bal...@im...> wrote: > What is your definition of recent and your definition of supported? This > may be useful for many other users of UML I guess. The fact that the > kernels offered in the UML website didn't work, and then I tried to > compile from source should be pointed here. I don't think I have done > something so weird or uncommon here - mainly because I don't need much > as long as I have flexibility to execute it. Everything that gets -stable updates. -- Thanks, //richard |
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From: Balaco B. <bal...@im...> - 2015-10-29 19:46:14
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> > > >> > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with > > > >> > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed > > > >> > before that end with error. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY? > > > > > > If you want me to help, please use a recent/supported kernel. > > > Ready-to-use root filesystems can be found everywhere. > > > For example: http://fs.devloop.org.uk/ > > > > > > > I'm not sure now, but the two Debian root fs I'm using were downloaded > > from the site you point here. Later I'll check their sums, and PS this > > in a next message. Kernels 2.6.* were recent and assumed to be supported > > in most places I could need - or so I assumed. > > > What is your definition of recent and your definition of supported? This > > may be useful for many other users of UML I guess. The fact that the > > kernels offered in the UML website didn't work, and then I tried to > > compile from source should be pointed here. I don't think I have done > > something so weird or uncommon here - mainly because I don't need much > > as long as I have flexibility to execute it. > > Everything that gets -stable updates. Website: UML's, http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/, accessed right now. "Getting started" seemed like a good place for me a few weeks ago (and still does, but...). And I think it will make many users feel and think the same way I did. Except that it gives us wrong directions - but gives bad directions for users that will surely follow them without knowing the wrong details since they're expecting to see something working to get more familiar with UML. "Download THIS ( pointing to http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-rc7.bz2) or THIS (pointing to http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-x86_64.bz2 )". Are these kernel versions familiar to you in the list? They are for me, now I just understood a few more details, and the possible path to solution, to execution without unexpected problems - or so I hope. The thread I started today, quickly skimmed in the above quotes, shows this. The website needs to be fixed. And more than that, needs to be updated more frequently (or so I must guess) or write about how users can be sure their setup is good enough. I downloaded both suggested kernels, following the official (and assumed best, for that) instructions. Both did not work (and still don't). And the one that worked back then is probably needing something I've forgotten in these days or stopped to work today. But that one I compiled from source - and now I need to do it again, from the very start. Everything that gets stable updates... but this should not exclude the UML website, right? -- http://www.fastmail.com - The way an email service should be |
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From: Richard W. <ric...@gm...> - 2015-10-29 19:56:06
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Balaco Baco <bal...@im...> wrote: >> > > >> > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with >> > > >> > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed >> > > >> > before that end with error. >> > > >> > >> > > >> >> > > >> Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY? >> > > >> > > If you want me to help, please use a recent/supported kernel. >> > > Ready-to-use root filesystems can be found everywhere. >> > > For example: http://fs.devloop.org.uk/ >> > > >> > >> > I'm not sure now, but the two Debian root fs I'm using were downloaded >> > from the site you point here. Later I'll check their sums, and PS this >> > in a next message. Kernels 2.6.* were recent and assumed to be supported >> > in most places I could need - or so I assumed. >> >> > What is your definition of recent and your definition of supported? This >> > may be useful for many other users of UML I guess. The fact that the >> > kernels offered in the UML website didn't work, and then I tried to >> > compile from source should be pointed here. I don't think I have done >> > something so weird or uncommon here - mainly because I don't need much >> > as long as I have flexibility to execute it. >> >> Everything that gets -stable updates. > > Website: UML's, http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/, accessed right > now. > > "Getting started" seemed like a good place for me a few weeks ago (and > still does, but...). And I think it will make many users feel and think > the same way I did. Except that it gives us wrong directions - but gives > bad directions for users that will surely follow them without knowing > the wrong details since they're expecting to see something working to > get more familiar with UML. "Download THIS ( pointing to > http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-rc7.bz2) or THIS > (pointing to > http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-x86_64.bz2 )". Are > these kernel versions familiar to you in the list? They are for me, now > I just understood a few more details, and the possible path to solution, > to execution without unexpected problems - or so I hope. > > The thread I started today, quickly skimmed in the above quotes, shows > this. The website needs to be fixed. And more than that, needs to be > updated more frequently (or so I must guess) or write about how users > can be sure their setup is good enough. > > I downloaded both suggested kernels, following the official (and assumed > best, for that) instructions. Both did not work (and still don't). And > the one that worked back then is probably needing something I've > forgotten in these days or stopped to work today. But that one I > compiled from source - and now I need to do it again, from the very > start. > > Everything that gets stable updates... but this should not exclude the > UML website, right? The website is very old and from the pre-mainline time. If you volunteer to update and maintain it it would be wonderful. I'm not a web designer nor do I have the time for this. -- Thanks, //richard |
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From: Balaco B. <bal...@im...> - 2015-10-30 06:30:02
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 16:55, Richard Weinberger wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Balaco Baco <bal...@im...> wrote: > >> > > >> > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with > >> > > >> > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed > >> > > >> > before that end with error. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY? > >> > > > >> > > If you want me to help, please use a recent/supported kernel. > >> > > Ready-to-use root filesystems can be found everywhere. > >> > > For example: http://fs.devloop.org.uk/ > >> > > > >> > > >> > I'm not sure now, but the two Debian root fs I'm using were downloaded > >> > from the site you point here. Later I'll check their sums, and PS this > >> > in a next message. Kernels 2.6.* were recent and assumed to be supported > >> > in most places I could need - or so I assumed. > >> > >> > What is your definition of recent and your definition of supported? This > >> > may be useful for many other users of UML I guess. The fact that the > >> > kernels offered in the UML website didn't work, and then I tried to > >> > compile from source should be pointed here. I don't think I have done > >> > something so weird or uncommon here - mainly because I don't need much > >> > as long as I have flexibility to execute it. > >> > >> Everything that gets -stable updates. > > > > Website: UML's, http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/, accessed right > > now. > > > > "Getting started" seemed like a good place for me a few weeks ago (and > > still does, but...). And I think it will make many users feel and think > > the same way I did. Except that it gives us wrong directions - but gives > > bad directions for users that will surely follow them without knowing > > the wrong details since they're expecting to see something working to > > get more familiar with UML. "Download THIS ( pointing to > > http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-rc7.bz2) or THIS > > (pointing to > > http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-x86_64.bz2 )". Are > > these kernel versions familiar to you in the list? They are for me, now > > I just understood a few more details, and the possible path to solution, > > to execution without unexpected problems - or so I hope. > > > > The thread I started today, quickly skimmed in the above quotes, shows > > this. The website needs to be fixed. And more than that, needs to be > > updated more frequently (or so I must guess) or write about how users > > can be sure their setup is good enough. > > > > I downloaded both suggested kernels, following the official (and assumed > > best, for that) instructions. Both did not work (and still don't). And > > the one that worked back then is probably needing something I've > > forgotten in these days or stopped to work today. But that one I > > compiled from source - and now I need to do it again, from the very > > start. > > > > Everything that gets stable updates... but this should not exclude the > > UML website, right? > > The website is very old and from the pre-mainline time. > If you volunteer to update and maintain it it would be wonderful. > > I'm not a web designer nor do I have the time for this. > Really?! I would never bet that it was that old. I can update it. And I also have a little bit of web design knowledge and practices that may be eventually useful. On the other hand, I would need directions and thumbs up to guarantee that the contents are kept correct (which would be my main objetive when changing texts). I have not programmed that much kernel code and "related or almost so" things, although I have a solid C background - and this is something that UML seems to have a broad contact surface, from the messages I have read here. At most a month of medium site changes are good as expectations? Although most of the time I can give a few hours per week, so that month should not look too bad. What would be the process? If only with you directly, I guess we continue to talk about it between us. -- http://www.fastmail.com - mmm... Fastmail... |
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From: Richard W. <ric...@gm...> - 2015-10-30 19:31:44
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Balaco Baco <bal...@im...> wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015, at 16:55, Richard Weinberger wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Balaco Baco <bal...@im...> wrote: >> >> > > >> > Really!? I wish I had read that somewhere. Well, just retried with >> >> > > >> > another option that is there for me. It is one of the cases I detailed >> >> > > >> > before that end with error. >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> Linux 2.6.24?! SRSLY? >> >> > > >> >> > > If you want me to help, please use a recent/supported kernel. >> >> > > Ready-to-use root filesystems can be found everywhere. >> >> > > For example: http://fs.devloop.org.uk/ >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > I'm not sure now, but the two Debian root fs I'm using were downloaded >> >> > from the site you point here. Later I'll check their sums, and PS this >> >> > in a next message. Kernels 2.6.* were recent and assumed to be supported >> >> > in most places I could need - or so I assumed. >> >> >> >> > What is your definition of recent and your definition of supported? This >> >> > may be useful for many other users of UML I guess. The fact that the >> >> > kernels offered in the UML website didn't work, and then I tried to >> >> > compile from source should be pointed here. I don't think I have done >> >> > something so weird or uncommon here - mainly because I don't need much >> >> > as long as I have flexibility to execute it. >> >> >> >> Everything that gets -stable updates. >> > >> > Website: UML's, http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/, accessed right >> > now. >> > >> > "Getting started" seemed like a good place for me a few weeks ago (and >> > still does, but...). And I think it will make many users feel and think >> > the same way I did. Except that it gives us wrong directions - but gives >> > bad directions for users that will surely follow them without knowing >> > the wrong details since they're expecting to see something working to >> > get more familiar with UML. "Download THIS ( pointing to >> > http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-rc7.bz2) or THIS >> > (pointing to >> > http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/linux-2.6.24-x86_64.bz2 )". Are >> > these kernel versions familiar to you in the list? They are for me, now >> > I just understood a few more details, and the possible path to solution, >> > to execution without unexpected problems - or so I hope. >> > >> > The thread I started today, quickly skimmed in the above quotes, shows >> > this. The website needs to be fixed. And more than that, needs to be >> > updated more frequently (or so I must guess) or write about how users >> > can be sure their setup is good enough. >> > >> > I downloaded both suggested kernels, following the official (and assumed >> > best, for that) instructions. Both did not work (and still don't). And >> > the one that worked back then is probably needing something I've >> > forgotten in these days or stopped to work today. But that one I >> > compiled from source - and now I need to do it again, from the very >> > start. >> > >> > Everything that gets stable updates... but this should not exclude the >> > UML website, right? >> >> The website is very old and from the pre-mainline time. >> If you volunteer to update and maintain it it would be wonderful. >> >> I'm not a web designer nor do I have the time for this. >> > > Really?! I would never bet that it was that old. > > I can update it. And I also have a little bit of web design knowledge > and practices that may be eventually useful. On the other hand, I would > need directions and thumbs up to guarantee that the contents are kept > correct (which would be my main objetive when changing texts). I have > not programmed that much kernel code and "related or almost so" things, > although I have a solid C background - and this is something that UML > seems to have a broad contact surface, from the messages I have read > here. > > At most a month of medium site changes are good as expectations? > Although most of the time I can give a few hours per week, so that month > should not look too bad. > > What would be the process? If only with you directly, I guess we > continue to talk about it between us. Create a concept and share it. :-) -- Thanks, //richard |
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From: Michael R. <mc...@sa...> - 2015-10-30 19:01:31
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Please, at least mark the info as being OLD OLD OLD. 90% of it is unnecessary. |
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From: Balaco B. <bal...@im...> - 2015-11-12 00:15:35
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, at 05:46, Richard Weinberger wrote: > Am 31.10.2015 um 02:12 schrieb Balaco Baco: > > I do not have a final working step by step from zero until now. One is > > giving compiling errors. The working UML (unknown origin, I don't know > > how I made that before) + Debian64 downloaded (and how changed a bit > > after booting it)... but it has no network, and I don't know why is > > that. Can you tell? Not even a ping works: "Network is unreachable". The > > host machine is normal, of course. > > As with any virtual machine you need to connect your VM somehow to your > host. > tap is a common way. The website has instructions. Old, but still valid. > I just saw this unread message. And there is a few things to say about this one. :) Some old instructions in the website do not work. For example, the kernel version used there was not practical for me. And you also said it's too old - although I won't mind that fact alone. > > Basic question: how to shutdown a running UML? How are we suppose to do > > it? Running 'shutdown now' from that Debian does not turn it off. Must I > > open another SSH session to kill it, or just close the session if > > nothing else is needed? > > What about "poweroff"? As with any Linux. > I have never heard about poweroff. In all the years I have used linux (more than a decade) I always used shutdown to... to turn off the computer (I would say "to shutdown"... but that would be too funny here). Debian has poweroff too. It worked. :-/ (but I swear I never used it... and "shutdown now" always worked in real machines, to turn them off...) > > I'm used http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/source.html as a base to > > what I have done (although I "updated" the suggested version there, as > > discussed before). And changed almost nothing in the default config > > before compiling... > > > > When I have something that works, that source.html page is easy to > > improve and needs many changes. Output of wget... not useful at all - we > > surely can assume users will know how to download and extract files, > > right? > > I assume that an user is able to build a kernel. > Fair enough. But I think that UML should be also aimed at users without much knowledge in kernel compilation because sometimes we could just want a virtual and easy, although safe, "root power". The reason why I'm trying to get UML to work right now is one of these cases. -- Balaco -- http://www.fastmail.com - Same, same, but different... |