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[Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1169330192.45b290108ae61%40mail.ravensong.com&forum_name=trinux-talk

But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like inspite
of LiveCD/DVDs.

For the small number of subscribers (I wasn't one and I'm not sure
where all the admin list traffic is going to) there is a new page for
ubuntutrinux (for lack of a better name) up at
http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/

and I actually released an iso on sourceforge yesterday at
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3301&package_id=228434

So work has begun again (I had the need for a lightweight ramdisk
distro at work) and during the last few days Trinux has gone places it
never has before PXE booting and kernel 2.6 and post 1.0 Busybox. It
has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and high-end
DL380 hardware in my datacenter at work.

Now that wikis are around I think there is a great opportunity to do
things right (in terms of documentation) -- the way that should have
been done the first place. I'd be glad to create accounts for. Either
on the new google code, here at sourceforge, or on my personal
security wiki at threatmind.net.

I put some pages up already on objectives

http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki/UbuntuTrinux/ProjectObjectives

These are open to revision debate, etc. for folks that have opnions :)

I look forward to hearing from whoever is still around.

Peace,

- mdf

-- 
Matthew Franz
http://www.threatmind.net/

Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Karl. <evi...@gm...>]

On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:28:57PM -0500, Matthew Franz wrote:
> Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
> discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(

Welcome back!  (metaphorically speaking)

I was just using Trinux yesterday, and reading about UbuntuTrinux at the 
same time (I'm using it on a 486DX2/66 - it's slow enough that I get to 
read stuff while waiting for things :-)

I'm using Trinux to get files onto and off the 486 (which is usually 
running dos), and as a rescue distro on some of my computers (eg. an old 
laptop which has no functioning removable media - it's easier to boot 
into Trinux and fix things than it is to pull the HDD out)

I've learnt a lot from fiddling with Trinux.  Have often thought about 
trying to extend/update it myself, but always come back to the fact that 
even though it is still useful, it really is a relic which is better 
replaced than updated.

> It has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and

That's not old - I still use a PII-400 as my daily machine!

I look forward to following your progress with UbuntuTrinux  :-)

Karl.

Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

>
> I've learnt a lot from fiddling with Trinux.  Have often thought about
> trying to extend/update it myself, but always come back to the fact that

Apart from "meeting" folks around the world, the learning was much of
the motivation. I've already learned a lot just in the past week or so
about the new kernel ramdisk, cpio and lot's of cool new stuff in
Busybox.

> even though it is still useful, it really is a relic which is better
> replaced than updated.

Well I'm completely starting from scratch -- well actually from the
Debian/Ubunut initramfs scripts then gradually ripping everything out
to the minimum.  I guess the key challenge (and where I can use a lot
of help) is narrowing down which features are most useful and
important to potential users.

I'd like to find a niche for Trinux again, knowing full well that the
distribution landscape is quite different now that it was in 2000.

I really don't think it makes sense for a revised Trinux to try to
compete with the Knoppix STD and similar projects.

My current thought is that there is some need in the 10-50MB distro
space for a distribution (or distribution toolkit) that allows easy
creation of special (single?) purpose appliances. I haven't done a lot
of research about competitors

- Bleeding edge kernels. Perhaps a small distribution that only hosts
virtual environments or uses advanced networking features?
- Quick (less than 10 minute) builds of system images
- What else?

>
> > It has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and
>
> That's not old - I still use a PII-400 as my daily machine!

Sorry I've gotten spoiled with my Core 2 Duo Macbook  and Pentium D
server at home but still have a P5-133 as my firewall.

- mdf

-- 
Matthew Franz
http://www.threatmind.net/

Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Helmut H. <Hu...@t-...>]

Hallo, Matthew,

Du (mdfranz) meintest am 21.04.07:

> I'd like to find a niche for Trinux again, knowing full well that the
> distribution landscape is quite different now that it was in 2000.

> I really don't think it makes sense for a revised Trinux to try to
> compete with the Knoppix STD and similar projects.


That's true. First I had used Trinux for installing Clients via FD over  
the net - 1 disk for 20 Clients.
Now many clients have no FD drive, but they have CD and USB. Knoppix is  
a very fine tool, but it can too much for such a job. And the CD is  
blocked in 1 client until shutdown.

And USB: in schools (where I work) there are still many computers which  
can't boot from USB.

I have to look for PXE boot too - I know ...

That are the niches I want Trinux to use.

------------

I know - it's a very special environment. But Trinux is a tool for many  
clients within a LAN (or WAN), no tool for a single desktop computer at  
home.

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /Ubuntutrinux :)

[<wo...@vo...>]

Greetings, Mr Franz,
sorry that I wanted to take over your distro :-). I have started some
research into boot diskettes and LFS, but I quickly ran out of time, being a
first year university student. Maybe I would have done something over the
summer...
Anyway - feel free to ask me to do some testing, scripting or packaging.

My vision is running Trinux on my laptop - Pentium 75 / 40MB RAM with Prism2
WLAN and 3C589 LAN cards, for the purpose of (W)LAN scanning and testing, as
I do now, but being able to compile new software for it. Needless to say -
it has no CDROM, USB or stable network; I boot from the HDD with loadlin.
Besides that, I can put together various testing configurations from my
ever-growing junkpile - anything in the range from 286 to Athlon64 (with the
sad exception of PII).

Regards, wondra


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>
> I've learnt a lot from fiddling with Trinux.  Have often thought about
> trying to extend/update it myself, but always come back to the fact that

Apart from "meeting" folks around the world, the learning was much of
the motivation. I've already learned a lot just in the past week or so
about the new kernel ramdisk, cpio and lot's of cool new stuff in
Busybox.

> even though it is still useful, it really is a relic which is better
> replaced than updated.

Well I'm completely starting from scratch -- well actually from the
Debian/Ubunut initramfs scripts then gradually ripping everything out
to the minimum.  I guess the key challenge (and where I can use a lot
of help) is narrowing down which features are most useful and
important to potential users.

I'd like to find a niche for Trinux again, knowing full well that the
distribution landscape is quite different now that it was in 2000.

I really don't think it makes sense for a revised Trinux to try to
compete with the Knoppix STD and similar projects.

My current thought is that there is some need in the 10-50MB distro
space for a distribution (or distribution toolkit) that allows easy
creation of special (single?) purpose appliances. I haven't done a lot
of research about competitors

- Bleeding edge kernels. Perhaps a small distribution that only hosts
virtual environments or uses advanced networking features?
- Quick (less than 10 minute) builds of system images
- What else?

>
> > It has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and
>
> That's not old - I still use a PII-400 as my daily machine!

Sorry I've gotten spoiled with my Core 2 Duo Macbook  and Pentium D
server at home but still have a P5-133 as my firewall.

- mdf

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http://www.threatmind.net/

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Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Mike P. <MPi...@lg...>]

Hi Matthew,=20

I think a Trinux revival is a great idea.  I'm still a pack rat and
can't bear to get rid of old hardware--my oldest being a PII 233 Dell
laptop.=20=20

These days I've been playing with Damn Small Linux on a 128MB USB thumb
drive.  I am really enjoying the flexibility of USB drives.  I'm glad to
hear you have some plans for Trinux on USB.=20=20

Anyway, I'll keep a lookout for your progress and will be happy to test
on my systems.

Cheers,
Mike

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Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Helmut H. <Hu...@t-...>]

Hallo, Matthew,

Du (mdfranz) meintest am 20.04.07:

> But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
> folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like
> inspite of LiveCD/DVDs.

Welcome back!

Viele Gruesse!
Helmut

Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

Helmut & Mike

Good to see you guys are still around :)

- mdf

Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Valerio B. <su...@se...>]

On 20/04/2007, at 21.28, Matthew Franz wrote:

>Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
>discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(

Welcome back Matthew,
I must say that I had tried to contact you several times, but without
luck. I am happy to see progress on Trinux and plan to restart using it.

Valerio


>
>http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1169330192.45b290
108ae61%40mail.ravensong.com&forum_name=trinux-talk
>
>But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
>folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like inspite
>of LiveCD/DVDs.
>
>For the small number of subscribers (I wasn't one and I'm not sure
>where all the admin list traffic is going to) there is a new page for
>ubuntutrinux (for lack of a better name) up at
>http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/
>
>and I actually released an iso on sourceforge yesterday at
>http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3301&package_id=2284
34
>
>So work has begun again (I had the need for a lightweight ramdisk
>distro at work) and during the last few days Trinux has gone places it
>never has before PXE booting and kernel 2.6 and post 1.0 Busybox. It
>has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and high-end
>DL380 hardware in my datacenter at work.
>
>Now that wikis are around I think there is a great opportunity to do
>things right (in terms of documentation) -- the way that should have
>been done the first place. I'd be glad to create accounts for. Either
>on the new google code, here at sourceforge, or on my personal
>security wiki at threatmind.net.
>
>I put some pages up already on objectives
>
>http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki/UbuntuTrinux/ProjectObjectives
>
>These are open to revision debate, etc. for folks that have opnions :)
>
>I look forward to hearing from whoever is still around.
>
>Peace,
>
>- mdf
>
>-- 
>Matthew Franz
>http://www.threatmind.net/
>
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Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)

[Matthew F. <md...@gm...>]

> Welcome back Matthew,
> I must say that I had tried to contact you several times, but without
> luck. I am happy to see progress on Trinux and plan to restart using it.
>

Valerio. I'm sorry bout that. I had an overly  aggressive filter on my
gmail account that deleted anything with trinux in the title. I only
undid it last night. :(

- mdf