trinux-talk

[Trinux-talk] NewBie Blues - Take 2

[Intrusion D. <ide...@ya...>]

TO add insult to injury ... I originally sent this
email to the news group!!! Is this an indication of
Newbie-itus or what?!?!? DUH!!!! 

ANyway, hope someone can help with this ......
(although somewhat embarrassed, I include the original
email)

OK,

Up front people ... I apologize (or apologise) for the
dumb questions I am about to ask but I am a newbie to
Linux having just, and I do mean just, installed SUSE
and now trying my hand at Trinux. OK, so I'm trying
the switch  .........

REQUEST: 

1. Request on installation procedures
Sorry but the documentation on the website is not the
best for us REALLY newbie folks

2. With the exception of NMap, how the other programs
are run within the Trinux environment;

3. After you get up off the floor from your spat of
uncontrollable laughter, realise (or realize) that I
am truly serious. 

4. rather than post to the entire group I would
appreciate a little hand holding here from a
"sympathetic" subscriber.

In advance, I thank you.

Environment:
1. OS - Windows '98 (OK,OK, I'm also a tad bit behind
in that area!!)

2. HArdware: IBM THinkpad 600. Am willing to give mre
details, but only after receipt of individual email.

3. Used the latest version of Trinux and the IDE
image;

4. Wrote the image file to a floppy using RawWrite;

5. Created the c:/trinux directory and copied all the
files from the website to this directory (I used the
website in Texas (duh);

6. Turned system off and rebooted from floppy:

7. ON boot:
7.1 Kernel Loaded (v 2.4.5)
7.3 Created HDA1 through HDA6 (From my limited
experience these are hard disks recognized by the
Linux system and I have NO idea why there are so many.
I have but 2 partitions: 1 for Windows and 1 for SUSE
Linux);

7.3 Added packages like the bash (I do get the BASH#
prompt) and some others that were downloaded;

8. Welsome message appears with a request to activate
the console by pressing return.

OK ......so I press enter and get <BASH#> then I try
to activate the other programs (e.g. scanners,
ipaudit, and nothing but "sh: ipaudit: command not
found" then back to the prompt.


Sooooooooo, there ya go. Now, can someone please help.
I have searched through the email archives and a
French guy came close to the problem I am having, but
there was no definitive answer. 

ANyways, hope I have been detailed enough.

Kind regards





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Re: [Trinux-talk] NewBie Blues - Take 2

[<tb...@ti...>]

I think that many newbies gravitate to Trinux because it offers a running 
Linux system with only a boot floppy.  This is true, but I would hesitate 
to suggest that it is a good Linux for a Newbie to start with.

Trinux is foremost an intrusion detection tool, and comes loaded with some 
very powerful tools.  However, the tools assume a somewhat advanced 
knowledge of networking, and often present information of use only to 
advanced users.

Trinux has alot of the traditional Linux stripped away.  For two reasons, 
1) to keep it light and bootable from a floppy, and 2) as an ID tool, it 
doesn't need alot of the multi-user capabilities.  An example of this is 
that Trinux does not use a password file.  It has no password.

For a newbie, I would recommend sticking with a standard Linux 
distribution until you feel very comfortable, then give Trinux a look see.  

It took me a couple of days of messing with it to get Trinux to boot and 
come up the way I wanted it.  I had to research many of the bootup scripts 
(/linuxrc is where it all starts) to see why it did not do what I wanted, 
and then make adjustments or modify the scripts to my liking.  Not 
recommended for a newbie!

That said, here are some answers to your questions......



On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Intrusion Detector wrote:

> TO add insult to injury ... I originally sent this
> email to the news group!!! Is this an indication of
> Newbie-itus or what?!?!? DUH!!!! 
> 
> ANyway, hope someone can help with this ......
> (although somewhat embarrassed, I include the original
> email)
> 
> OK,
> 
> Up front people ... I apologize (or apologise) for the
> dumb questions I am about to ask but I am a newbie to
> Linux having just, and I do mean just, installed SUSE
> and now trying my hand at Trinux. OK, so I'm trying
> the switch  .........
> 
> REQUEST: 
> 
> 1. Request on installation procedures
> Sorry but the documentation on the website is not the
> best for us REALLY newbie folks
> 
> 2. With the exception of NMap, how the other programs
> are run within the Trinux environment;

From the command line, but you must first add them with a getpkg 
or pkgadd command. (I think the command names are correct), with some 
packages, it may be necessary to run the init script by hand too.

> 
> 3. After you get up off the floor from your spat of
> uncontrollable laughter, realise (or realize) that I
> am truly serious. 
> 
> 4. rather than post to the entire group I would
> appreciate a little hand holding here from a
> "sympathetic" subscriber.
> 
> In advance, I thank you.
> 
> Environment:
> 1. OS - Windows '98 (OK,OK, I'm also a tad bit behind
> in that area!!)
> 
> 2. HArdware: IBM THinkpad 600. Am willing to give mre
> details, but only after receipt of individual email.

If you have a CD-Rom, then you might try my iso:

http://timburt.com/trinux/trinux-0.80tburt-2.4.5.iso

It works for me, and some others have reported success with it.  But my
iso is not without it's own problems.. :-(  Booting from the iso has the
advantage of loading up many of the support packages from the cdrom, and
not the network...  or Dos partition...

> 
> 3. Used the latest version of Trinux and the IDE
> image;
> 
> 4. Wrote the image file to a floppy using RawWrite;
> 
> 5. Created the c:/trinux directory and copied all the
> files from the website to this directory (I used the
> website in Texas (duh);

I had difficulties getting this to work.  Not sure why.  I switched to 
network upload.  The base Trinux kernel does include support for FAT 
filesystems (but not Linux!) so the underlying support is there.

> 
> 6. Turned system off and rebooted from floppy:
> 
> 7. ON boot:
> 7.1 Kernel Loaded (v 2.4.5)
> 7.3 Created HDA1 through HDA6 (From my limited
> experience these are hard disks recognized by the
> Linux system and I have NO idea why there are so many.
> I have but 2 partitions: 1 for Windows and 1 for SUSE
> Linux);
> 
> 7.3 Added packages like the bash (I do get the BASH#
> prompt) and some others that were downloaded;

A crippled version of bash, as well as many other commands (mount) are 
available in the bootup OS.  Enough for you to look around and see what is 
going right, and what failed.

> 
> 8. Welsome message appears with a request to activate
> the console by pressing return.
> 
> OK ......so I press enter and get <BASH#> then I try
> to activate the other programs (e.g. scanners,
> ipaudit, and nothing but "sh: ipaudit: command not
> found" then back to the prompt.
> 

This is most likely caused by the package not loading, even tho you 
thought it did.  Some commands fail silently...

I had trouble getting Trinux to find the /trinux folder on my disk, but it 
didn't matter because I wanted to download from the net anyway.

Note that Trinux runs in Ram, and if you are starting with 16 or 32 MB, 
you may find that you run out before you get too many packages loaded.

Use df to see how much ramdisk is available.

> 
> Sooooooooo, there ya go. Now, can someone please help.
> I have searched through the email archives and a
> French guy came close to the problem I am having, but
> there was no definitive answer. 
> 
> ANyways, hope I have been detailed enough.
> 
> Kind regards
> 

You are doing better than some.  However, you still have a rocky road 
ahead.  Getting SSH running can be frustrating.  See the prior posts.

> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Trinux-talk] NewBie Blues - Take 2

[David G. M. <dgl...@gm...>]

Mr Timothy Burt,
Do you have some more specific information
on what file did change exactly in your version of the iso?
Would you have some kind of patch or diff or TGZ with a copy
of the file modified.
Thanks.
David GLAUDE

This is your latest e-mail on the topic:
"
I have made some changes to the linuxrc file to smooth out the boot
process for the CDROM version of Trinux.  It works much better for me now.
Hopefully, I didn't break any of the floppy boot dependant code...

In addition, I added another Ram disk config for bigger ramdisks, if
you have 512M of ram.

And one more change, I disabled the DHCP default.  The startup will ask if
you want to use DHCP, or allow you to enter your own network values.

These changes were applied to the stock trinux-0.80rc2-2.4.5 iso.

I have posted my modified version of the CDROM iso on my server at:

http://www.timburt.com/trinux/trinux-0.80tburt-2.4.5.iso

Matt says he will put it up on sourceforge, so when he gets around to it,
I will probably take the above URL down.

Hopefully, this will help some of you who are using the iso and having
trouble adding packages.

Note that after successful bootup, the CDROM is not mounted.  If you want
to use addpkg, you will need to mount the cdrom and find the package you
want to add.
"

Re: [Trinux-talk] NewBie Blues - Take 2

[<tb...@ti...>]

Sorry, I did not keep close track of what I did.  Mostly, I think it was
the linuxrc file, however, I think I needed to make some accomodating
changes in another script or two.  I forget.

Mostly, I was changing, and testing, changing and testing, until I had the 
iso the way I wanted it, and since I burned up a stack of CD blanks 
getting it, I thought others might find it useful.

Sorry, no diffs or patch file.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, David GLAUDE Mailing wrote:

> Mr Timothy Burt,
> Do you have some more specific information
> on what file did change exactly in your version of the iso?
> Would you have some kind of patch or diff or TGZ with a copy
> of the file modified.
> Thanks.
> David GLAUDE
> 
> This is your latest e-mail on the topic:
> "
> I have made some changes to the linuxrc file to smooth out the boot
> process for the CDROM version of Trinux.  It works much better for me now.
> Hopefully, I didn't break any of the floppy boot dependant code...
> 
> In addition, I added another Ram disk config for bigger ramdisks, if
> you have 512M of ram.
> 
> And one more change, I disabled the DHCP default.  The startup will ask if
> you want to use DHCP, or allow you to enter your own network values.
> 
> These changes were applied to the stock trinux-0.80rc2-2.4.5 iso.
> 
> I have posted my modified version of the CDROM iso on my server at:
> 
> http://www.timburt.com/trinux/trinux-0.80tburt-2.4.5.iso
> 
> Matt says he will put it up on sourceforge, so when he gets around to it,
> I will probably take the above URL down.
> 
> Hopefully, this will help some of you who are using the iso and having
> trouble adding packages.
> 
> Note that after successful bootup, the CDROM is not mounted.  If you want
> to use addpkg, you will need to mount the cdrom and find the package you
> want to add.
> "
> 
> 
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