Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2

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Matt,
Are you taking on any developers for Trinux part duex? And, if so  how do we
join the project on google?

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Cheers,

Robert C. Whetsel
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>    1. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :)
>       (Helmut Hullen)
>    2. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)
>       (Valerio Bellizzomi)
>    3. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :)
>       (Matthew Franz)
>    4. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :)
>       (Matthew Franz)
>    5. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :)
>       (Matthew Franz)
>    6. Re: Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1 (Robert Whetsel)
>    7. Feature/Bug list on Google Code Page (Matthew Franz)
>    8. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :)
>       (Helmut Hullen)
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> Message: 1
> Date: 21 Apr 2007 21:01:00 +0200
> From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: tri...@li...
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> Hallo, Matthew,
> 
> Du (mdfranz) meintest am 20.04.07:
> 
> > But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
> > folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like
> > inspite of LiveCD/DVDs.
> 
> Welcome back!
> 
> Viele Gruesse!
> Helmut
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:09:33 +0200
> From: "Valerio Bellizzomi" <su...@se...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <200704212209330840.003A9557@83.103.23.36>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> On 20/04/2007, at 21.28, Matthew Franz wrote:
> 
> >Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
> >discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(
> 
> Welcome back Matthew,
> I must say that I had tried to contact you several times, but without
> luck. I am happy to see progress on Trinux and plan to restart using it.
> 
> Valerio
> 
> 
> >
> >http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1169330192.45b290
> 108ae61%40mail.ravensong.com&forum_name=trinux-talk
> >
> >But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
> >folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like inspite
> >of LiveCD/DVDs.
> >
> >For the small number of subscribers (I wasn't one and I'm not sure
> >where all the admin list traffic is going to) there is a new page for
> >ubuntutrinux (for lack of a better name) up at
> >http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/
> >
> >and I actually released an iso on sourceforge yesterday at
> >http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3301&package_id=2284
> 34
> >
> >So work has begun again (I had the need for a lightweight ramdisk
> >distro at work) and during the last few days Trinux has gone places it
> >never has before PXE booting and kernel 2.6 and post 1.0 Busybox. It
> >has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and high-end
> >DL380 hardware in my datacenter at work.
> >
> >Now that wikis are around I think there is a great opportunity to do
> >things right (in terms of documentation) -- the way that should have
> >been done the first place. I'd be glad to create accounts for. Either
> >on the new google code, here at sourceforge, or on my personal
> >security wiki at threatmind.net.
> >
> >I put some pages up already on objectives
> >
> >http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki/UbuntuTrinux/ProjectObjectives
> >
> >These are open to revision debate, etc. for folks that have opnions :)
> >
> >I look forward to hearing from whoever is still around.
> >
> >Peace,
> >
> >- mdf
> >
> >-- 
> >Matthew Franz
> >http://www.threatmind.net/
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:38:05 -0500
> From: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: "Valerio Bellizzomi" <su...@se...>
> Cc: tri...@li...
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> > Welcome back Matthew,
> > I must say that I had tried to contact you several times, but without
> > luck. I am happy to see progress on Trinux and plan to restart using it.
> >
> 
> Valerio. I'm sorry bout that. I had an overly  aggressive filter on my
> gmail account that deleted anything with trinux in the title. I only
> undid it last night. :(
> 
> - mdf
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:40:17 -0500
> From: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> Cc: tri...@li...
> Message-ID:
> 	<33a...@ma...>
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> 
> Helmut & Mike
> 
> Good to see you guys are still around :)
> 
> - mdf
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:55:10 -0500
> From: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID:
> 	<33a...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> >
> > I've learnt a lot from fiddling with Trinux.  Have often thought about
> > trying to extend/update it myself, but always come back to the fact that
> 
> Apart from "meeting" folks around the world, the learning was much of
> the motivation. I've already learned a lot just in the past week or so
> about the new kernel ramdisk, cpio and lot's of cool new stuff in
> Busybox.
> 
> > even though it is still useful, it really is a relic which is better
> > replaced than updated.
> 
> Well I'm completely starting from scratch -- well actually from the
> Debian/Ubunut initramfs scripts then gradually ripping everything out
> to the minimum.  I guess the key challenge (and where I can use a lot
> of help) is narrowing down which features are most useful and
> important to potential users.
> 
> I'd like to find a niche for Trinux again, knowing full well that the
> distribution landscape is quite different now that it was in 2000.
> 
> I really don't think it makes sense for a revised Trinux to try to
> compete with the Knoppix STD and similar projects.
> 
> My current thought is that there is some need in the 10-50MB distro
> space for a distribution (or distribution toolkit) that allows easy
> creation of special (single?) purpose appliances. I haven't done a lot
> of research about competitors
> 
> - Bleeding edge kernels. Perhaps a small distribution that only hosts
> virtual environments or uses advanced networking features?
> - Quick (less than 10 minute) builds of system images
> - What else?
> 
> >
> > > It has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and
> >
> > That's not old - I still use a PII-400 as my daily machine!
> 
> Sorry I've gotten spoiled with my Core 2 Duo Macbook  and Pentium D
> server at home but still have a P5-133 as my firewall.
> 
> - mdf
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Franz
> http://www.threatmind.net/
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:31:26 -0500
> From: Robert Whetsel <rwh...@ra...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <117...@ma...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Matt,
> 
> Good to hear from you. Drop me an email off-line and I'll let you know where
> I
> landed after I got back from my second activation...
> 
> 74B hoah :) 
> 
> --
> Cheers,
>  
> Robert C. Whetsel
> 302-724-6216
> www.openFlightLinux.org
> 
>   ?No I'm not a rocket scientist; I just play one on T.V.?
> 
> 
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> 
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> > 
> > 
> > Today's Topics:
> > 
> >    1. It's been a while / Reviving Trinux / Ubuntutrinux :)
> >       (Matthew Franz)
> >    2. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :) (Karl.)
> >    3. Re: It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /	Ubuntutrinux :)
> >       (Mike Pilkington)
> > 
> > 
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:28:57 -0500
> > From: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>
> > Subject: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> > 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> > To: tri...@li...
> > Message-ID:
> > 	<33a...@ma...>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> > 
> > Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
> > discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(
> > 
> >
>
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=1169330192.45b290108ae61%40mail.ravensong.com&forum_name=trinux-talk
> > 
> > But better late than never. And it warmed my heart to see that other
> > folks thought there is still a place for something Trinux-like inspite
> > of LiveCD/DVDs.
> > 
> > For the small number of subscribers (I wasn't one and I'm not sure
> > where all the admin list traffic is going to) there is a new page for
> > ubuntutrinux (for lack of a better name) up at
> > http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/
> > 
> > and I actually released an iso on sourceforge yesterday at
> >
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3301&package_id=228434
> > 
> > So work has begun again (I had the need for a lightweight ramdisk
> > distro at work) and during the last few days Trinux has gone places it
> > never has before PXE booting and kernel 2.6 and post 1.0 Busybox. It
> > has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and high-end
> > DL380 hardware in my datacenter at work.
> > 
> > Now that wikis are around I think there is a great opportunity to do
> > things right (in terms of documentation) -- the way that should have
> > been done the first place. I'd be glad to create accounts for. Either
> > on the new google code, here at sourceforge, or on my personal
> > security wiki at threatmind.net.
> > 
> > I put some pages up already on objectives
> > 
> > http://www.threatmind.net/secwiki/UbuntuTrinux/ProjectObjectives
> > 
> > These are open to revision debate, etc. for folks that have opnions :)
> > 
> > I look forward to hearing from whoever is still around.
> > 
> > Peace,
> > 
> > - mdf
> > 
> > -- 
> > Matthew Franz
> > http://www.threatmind.net/
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:18:15 +1200
> > From: "Karl." <evi...@gm...>
> > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> > 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> > To: tri...@li...
> > Message-ID: <20070421031814.GA4803@L667>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 09:28:57PM -0500, Matthew Franz wrote:
> > > Hi Robert and whoever else was on the thread back in January. I just
> > > discovered this thread you guys had about reviving Trinux :(
> > 
> > Welcome back!  (metaphorically speaking)
> > 
> > I was just using Trinux yesterday, and reading about UbuntuTrinux at the 
> > same time (I'm using it on a 486DX2/66 - it's slow enough that I get to 
> > read stuff while waiting for things :-)
> > 
> > I'm using Trinux to get files onto and off the 486 (which is usually 
> > running dos), and as a rescue distro on some of my computers (eg. an old 
> > laptop which has no functioning removable media - it's easier to boot 
> > into Trinux and fix things than it is to pull the HDD out)
> > 
> > I've learnt a lot from fiddling with Trinux.  Have often thought about 
> > trying to extend/update it myself, but always come back to the fact that 
> > even though it is still useful, it really is a relic which is better 
> > replaced than updated.
> > 
> > > It has run old hardware (these days PIII is old hardware) and
> > 
> > That's not old - I still use a PII-400 as my daily machine!
> > 
> > I look forward to following your progress with UbuntuTrinux  :-)
> > 
> > Karl.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:20:30 -0500
> > From: "Mike Pilkington" <MPi...@lg...>
> > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> > 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> > To: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>,
> > 	<tri...@li...>
> > Message-ID:
> > 	<A35...@HO...>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
> > 
> > Hi Matthew, 
> > 
> > I think a Trinux revival is a great idea.  I'm still a pack rat and
> > can't bear to get rid of old hardware--my oldest being a PII 233 Dell
> > laptop.  
> > 
> > These days I've been playing with Damn Small Linux on a 128MB USB thumb
> > drive.  I am really enjoying the flexibility of USB drives.  I'm glad to
> > hear you have some plans for Trinux on USB.  
> > 
> > Anyway, I'll keep a lookout for your progress and will be happy to test
> > on my systems.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> > 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 19:55:31 -0500
> From: "Matthew Franz" <md...@gm...>
> Subject: [Trinux-talk] Feature/Bug list on Google Code Page
> To: tri...@li...
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> 
> A few of you have been sending some feature requests
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/issues/list
> 
> I'm guessing you have to have a google login (thought everybody had
> one, hehe) to be able to add issues/bugs, but you might have to be
> added to the project. The google code stuff is a lighter weight than
> SF. The only real downside is that they only have a 100MB file limit
> for downloads, but I think you can request more.
> 
> Also I've started at "core tools" wiki page with specific applications
> folks have requested. Keep the requests coming.
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/wiki/CoreTools
> 
> If you look at
> http://ubuntutrinux.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/prerepo/mkinitramfs
> 
> you'll see the build script adds binaries that automatically resolves
> shared library dependencies (copy_exec does that magically)
> 
> I haven't decided yet if/when to modularize things. The key driver for
> modularization (apart from idealism) with the old Trinux was the 1.4MB
> limit. But a 1.4MB boot floppy is not feasible with 2.6, even with
> uclibc (which I don't want to mess with)
> 
> In terms of packaging my current thoughts are to eventually
> modify/this script to read in a configuration file automatically
> apt-get installs certain apps if they are not available. Basically
> having a sort of meta-packaging system that copies over files from the
> host. And if there are not Ubuntu packages available (or if they
> aren't up to date enough), then I will build .deb's for them and if
> the .deb archive gets to be large enough then I will create an
> apt-archive.
> 
> - mdf
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: 22 Apr 2007 10:26:00 +0200
> From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...>
> Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] It's been a while / Reviving Trinux /
> 	Ubuntutrinux :)
> To: tri...@li...
> Message-ID: <AFM$9Q...@he...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> Hallo, Matthew,
> 
> Du (mdfranz) meintest am 21.04.07:
> 
> > I'd like to find a niche for Trinux again, knowing full well that the
> > distribution landscape is quite different now that it was in 2000.
> 
> > I really don't think it makes sense for a revised Trinux to try to
> > compete with the Knoppix STD and similar projects.
> 
> 
> That's true. First I had used Trinux for installing Clients via FD over  
> the net - 1 disk for 20 Clients.
> Now many clients have no FD drive, but they have CD and USB. Knoppix is  
> a very fine tool, but it can too much for such a job. And the CD is  
> blocked in 1 client until shutdown.
> 
> And USB: in schools (where I work) there are still many computers which  
> can't boot from USB.
> 
> I have to look for PXE boot too - I know ...
> 
> That are the niches I want Trinux to use.
> 
> ------------
> 
> I know - it's a very special environment. But Trinux is a tool for many  
> clients within a LAN (or WAN), no tool for a single desktop computer at  
> home.
> 
> Viele Gruesse!
> Helmut
> 
> 
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