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Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
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From: Robert W. <rwh...@ra...> - 2007-01-27 06:56:30
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The days of os on the floppy is a thing of the past for me. None of my machines have a floppy drive. I think I have one in a box somewhere... With that said, using myOS(tm) process we could build the new Trinux; where the core could either fit on a floppy or drop on a cd or flash drive with the rest of packages. A bit of Linux history: Slackware was the first Linux Distro; it came right after the kernel was released. It is still one of the few purest distro left (thank Patrick V. for that). Unchanged source from up-channel. Even using vanilla from Debian it is away from the up-channel. What I am proposing is getting the kernel from kernel.org and the other packages we need from the up-channel unchanged and create bins for the new trinux. Dev version would have source; production would have only bins to save on space. If you have your system set up correctly (sandbox it) you could compile from any distro as long as you set up your dev environment to use the src in the sandbox. I have server space that we could use to house the packages until we are ready to release a myTrinux version on sourceforge. -- Cheers, Robert C. Whetsel Quoting tri...@li...: > Send Trinux-talk mailing list submissions to > tri...@li... > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tri...@li... > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tri...@li... > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trinux-talk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Slackware or Debian, floppy squeezing thoughts (Tom?s Vondra) > 2. Re: Slackware or Debian, floppy squeezing thoughts (Helmut Hullen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:25:30 +0100 > From: Tom?s Vondra <wo...@vo...> > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Slackware or Debian, floppy squeezing > thoughts > To: <tri...@li...> > Message-ID: <ABE...@vo...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I wouldn't see it as a big problem - Slackware or Debian. I think we'll be > building most of the things from source anyway. Question is - what are we > going to build it on? And there I suggest Debian, or any other system with > compatible library versions. I have good access to it and AFAIK it is more > widely used than Slackware. I've never seen or even heard of a Slackware > system in my country. And when I say from souces, I mean vanilla. No SRPM > stuff. > > Do you have some experience with minimalisation? I'm building a MOSIX floppy > right now and am running into space problems. busybox is too big, because > there are too many unneeded functions. OK, it can be configured manually. > But what about GLIBC_2.3? It takes over a megabyte. Making a boot floppy may > be more difficult than 3 years ago. And we MUST load the base system from a > floppy - even if the image is to be burned on CDs and USB sticks. > > It is university exam time right now, so I am rather busy. I'll start the > Trinux-ng project sometime in February, when my exams are over. There won't > be any trinux-ng.org site - that would cost money and I have nothing to put > there yet. Just a sourceforge account. > > If anyone knows where Matt is, please tell him what is going on. I have > found 3 mail addresses of his and none works. > > Wondra > > -----Original Message----- > From: tri...@li... > [mailto:tri...@li...]On Behalf Of Robert > Whetsel > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:04 AM > To: tri...@li... > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 > > > Trinux is built from Slackware and I think we should stick to slackware. > Slackware 11.0 is a solid version and uses original up-channel sources. If > we > use Debian then we have circumvented the simplistically of Trinux in using > unchanged packages from up-channel. > > Did anyone try calling Matt? > > -rwhetsel > > > Quoting tri...@li...: > > > Send Trinux-talk mailing list submissions to > > tri...@li... > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > tri...@li... > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > tri...@li... > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Trinux-talk digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 (Robert Whetsel) > > 2. Re: Let's build a new Trinux version (support) > > 3. Re: Let's build a new Trinux version (Helmut Hullen) > > 4. Re: Let's build a new Trinux version (Helmut Hullen) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:56:32 -0500 > > From: Robert Whetsel <rwh...@ra...> > > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 > > To: tri...@li... > > Message-ID: <116...@ma...> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > I'm Game, count me in... > > > > Quoting tri...@li...: > > > > > Send Trinux-talk mailing list submissions to > > > tri...@li... > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > tri...@li... > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > tri...@li... > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of Trinux-talk digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Let's build a new Trinux version (Tom?? Vondra) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:35:01 +0100 > > > From: Tom?? Vondra <wo...@vo...> > > > Subject: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version > > > To: <tri...@li...> > > > Message-ID: <ABE...@vo...> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" > > > > > > I use Trinux on my old laptop, mainly for wifi scanning and network > > > monitoring. > > > It is much more useful that Win98 in those tasks :-) The computer won't > > run > > > any newer version of Windows and I can't afford to run X on it. > Therefore, > > > distros like Backtrack or Knoppix-STD are unsuitable for me. > > > Trinux with its console interface, nice toolset and low requirements is > > > simply ideal. However, it is grossly outdated. It has become nearly > > > impossible to build any new software for it because of old library > > versions > > > (I wanted Links with SSL and auth support and failed). > > > > > > I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project > over > > > and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to be > found. > > > (none of his 3 e-mails work) > > > > > > As far as I know, under such circumstaces a project ending with -ng is > > often > > > built. > > > > > > Who would be interested to help me develop it? > > > I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it > last > > > longer. - We'd stay with the naive tgz packaging for now. > > > In the first phase, I'd recreate a basic Trinux distro exacly as the old > > > one, but with newest versions of the software. Next, I'd need packagers > > and > > > testers, who would add tools and test them. In the next version, we > could > > > tweak the init scripts (did you find those bugs as well?), update > floppy, > > > CD, USB, network distros, write some HDD install scripts, modify > packages > > > and so on. > > > > > > Who is going into it with me? Reply to this mailing list or directly to > > > wondra (at> volny.cz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > > your > > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > > > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > > Tri...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > > > > > > End of Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1 > > > ***************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:23:57 +0100 > > From: "support" <su...@se...> > > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version > > To: tri...@li... > > Message-ID: <200701210123570160.00178C66@83.103.23.36> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > I'm in too. > > > > Valerio > > > > On 20/01/2007, at 12.35, Tom?? Vondra wrote: > > > > >I use Trinux on my old laptop, mainly for wifi scanning and network > > >monitoring. > > >It is much more useful that Win98 in those tasks :-) The computer won't > > run > > >any newer version of Windows and I can't afford to run X on it. > > Therefore, > > >distros like Backtrack or Knoppix-STD are unsuitable for me. > > >Trinux with its console interface, nice toolset and low requirements is > > >simply ideal. However, it is grossly outdated. It has become nearly > > >impossible to build any new software for it because of old library > > versions > > >(I wanted Links with SSL and auth support and failed). > > > > > >I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project > > over > > >and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to be > > found. > > >(none of his 3 e-mails work) > > > > > >As far as I know, under such circumstaces a project ending with -ng is > > >often > > >built. > > > > > >Who would be interested to help me develop it? > > >I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it > > last > > >longer. - We'd stay with the naive tgz packaging for now. > > >In the first phase, I'd recreate a basic Trinux distro exacly as the old > > >one, but with newest versions of the software. Next, I'd need packagers > > and > > >testers, who would add tools and test them. In the next version, we could > > >tweak the init scripts (did you find those bugs as well?), update floppy, > > >CD, USB, network distros, write some HDD install scripts, modify packages > > >and so on. > > > > > >Who is going into it with me? Reply to this mailing list or directly to > > >wondra (at> volny.cz > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > >Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > > >your > > >opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > > >http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=D > > EVDEV > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Trinux-talk mailing list > > >Tri...@li... > > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: 21 Jan 2007 08:16:00 +0100 > > From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...> > > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version > > To: tri...@li... > > Message-ID: <A9I...@he...> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Hallo, Tom??, > > > > Du meintest am 20.01.07 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux > > version: > > > > > I wanted to offer the admin of the Trinux project to take the project > > > over and build a new version, however Mr Matthew Franz is nowehere to > > > be found. (none of his 3 e-mails work) > > > > Just do it! > > > > Viele Gruesse! > > Helmut > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: 21 Jan 2007 08:23:00 +0100 > > From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...> > > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux version > > To: tri...@li... > > Message-ID: <A9I...@he...> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Hallo, Tom??, > > > > Du meintest am 20.01.07 zum Thema [Trinux-talk] Let's build a new Trinux > > version: > > > > > Who would be interested to help me develop it? > > > I'd like to base it on Debian 3.1 sarge, or maybe 3.2 etch to make it > > > last longer. > > > > Trinux has based on slackware - it may be the most simple base. > > Trinux has a few packages, Trinux doe not need a software package > > management. > > > > Look at zenwalk or at "ranr" if you will see a small slackware derivate. > > > > If you look deep enough into Debian you will find tarballs too ... but > > often they are much older than the original slackwarepackages. > > > > May be one bigger problem is a small kernel: kernel 2.4.32 fits onto a > > disk, kernel 2.6.17 doesn't fit. > > > > Viele Gruesse! > > Helmut > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trinux-talk mailing list > > Tri...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > > > End of Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 > > ***************************************** > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > _______________________________________________ > Trinux-talk mailing list > Tri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: 26 Jan 2007 09:27:00 +0100 > From: "Helmut Hullen" <Hu...@t-...> > Subject: Re: [Trinux-talk] Slackware or Debian, floppy squeezing > thoughts > To: tri...@li... > Message-ID: <A9b...@he...> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hallo, Tom?s, > > Du (wondra) meintest am 25.01.07: > > > I wouldn't see it as a big problem - Slackware or Debian. > > There can be a big problem. > One part of Debian is the packet manager - Slackware has nearly no > packet management, managing packages is the job of the provider (Matthew > or you or someone else). > > And another problem: Debian is antique. Look onto the Slackware sides: > new packages, actual packages. > > Look at zenwalk for a nice small distribution based on Slackware. > > Viele Gruesse! > Helmut > > > > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trinux-talk mailing list > Tri...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/trinux-talk > > > End of Trinux-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4 > ***************************************** > |
