From: Liviu A. <liv...@my...> - 2012-02-07 21:25:59
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Hello I had some fun today and came up with a variation to Lab Rally. Since I was loath to increase the time limit---1:11:11 looked just too neat---, the new track layout is extremely challenging. It can be completed; but beware: my best time sofar was 4 milliseconds better than the time limit. To complete it in time one needs to be very comfortable with the layout and have a very clean run. http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=04684118217239850565 Please let me know what you think of it. Regards Liviu -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
From: Liviu A. <liv...@my...> - 2012-02-11 21:15:13
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:36:18 +0100, Iwan Gabovitch <qu...@go...> wrote: > Hey Liviu, > > I like how the start part is annoying/frustrating in the beginning but in > the end you just powerfully jump all over it. :) > Yes, I like this too. > I can't do it in the time given and find the layout disturbing in the > sense > of it not being clear what the intended route is. Probably like you felt > when you saw the two paths in this level for the first time :) > As you defined earlier, this is a "smarty-pants" track. :) > I guess it's only possible by taking the smooth line path there and back. > Yes, this is a 'default' way to finish the track in time. But it can also be completed by using both sides of the track. :) It is tough, and it takes very clean runs to do this, but it can be done. With the Ford I usually barely finish within ~1sec of the time limit, while with the Mitsubishi I managed a ~3sec once. It may make a difference that I'm using drivingassist="0.95". I figured out how to record videos of Trigger, so I made a recording of a successful run on Lab Rally (bis) [1]. This is not my cleanest run, but it should work as a proof of concept. The video quality is worse than what I have uploaded, but I'm not yet sure how to deal with this. [1] http://www.metacafe.com/watch/8084321/lab_rally_bis_race_trigger_rally/ Although the track is clearly too tough, I like the fact that it's challenging and _can_ be completed, so I'd like to commit it as is to SVN. Please let me know what you think. Liviu PS Can we add the following to the website? <embed src="http://www.metacafe.com/fplayer/8084321/_Lab_Rally__bis___race__Trigger_Rally_.swf" width="400" height="345" wmode="transparent" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" name="Metacafe_8084321"> </embed><br /><font size="1"><a href="http://www.metacafe.com/w/8084321">'Lab Rally (bis)' race (Trigger Rally)</a> - <a href="http://www.metacafe.com/">The best home videos are here</a></font> |
From: Iwan G. <qu...@go...> - 2012-02-15 04:34:16
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Hey Liviu, Although the track is clearly too tough, I like the fact that it's > challenging and _can_ be completed, so I'd like to commit it as is to SVN. > Please let me know what you think. If a developer thinks it is hard, it probably is impossible for a new to regular player :) I think the track should be reduced to the area that is relevant to completing the race. Is this good? [1] [1] http://www.box.com/s/4f3mqyvetuf622bhp8bn > PS Can we add the following to the website? > <embed [...] > I would much prefer YouTube. From my experience they currently provide the best encoding quality and support HTML5. Can you upload it there? Cheers Iwan |
From: Liviu A. <liv...@my...> - 2012-02-20 21:51:18
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Hey Iwan Thanks for looking into this. On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:34:05 +0100, Iwan Gabovitch <qu...@go...> wrote: > If a developer thinks it is hard, it probably is impossible for a new to > regular player :) > Yup, I've come to that conclusion, too. :) So I've added 10sec to the track time, which renders it sensibly similar in difficulty to the original Lab Rally. > I think the track should be reduced to the area that is relevant to > completing the race. Is this good? [1] > > [1] http://www.box.com/s/4f3mqyvetuf622bhp8bn > I don't quite like it. Several reasons: - I see nothing wrong with having several layouts for a given map. For example, see the 3 'Old Macdonald' variations (in addition to the original layout). Actually I find it nice to show the user that one given track can be perceived and driven in an entirely different manner. Thus I would insist on keeping 'Lab Rally (bis)'. - Related to the above, in your revision the 3rd cp is along a straight wall that acts like a buffer and is easy to pass by; in your original Lab Rally the 3rd cp is at crossroads, and in my layout this 3rd cp is very tricky. This is lost in your revision. - The in-game map of your revision is quite confusing. The by-product of reducing the track size is that the in-game map is no longer very helpful. - And last, I'd also like to keep the track comment intact: the original is a "smarty-pants" track named 'Lab Rally', and I do feel like a "lab rat" when completing the race, especially in the 'bis' configuration. :) So "Be quick as a rat!" seems only appropriate. Here's the cosmetically revised revision of 'Lab Rally (bis)': changed time limit and author info. [1] [1] http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=00985621426022934735 >> PS Can we add the following to the website? >> <embed [...] >> > > I would much prefer YouTube. From my experience they currently provide > the > best encoding quality and support HTML5. Can you upload it there? > Right. Youtube has silently failed on me on several upload attempts, but this was probably linked to my using Opera. I'll try with a different browser and see what it gives. Let me know what you think Liviu |
From: Iwan G. <qu...@go...> - 2012-03-07 23:35:49
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On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv...@my...>wrote: > I don't quite like it. Several reasons: > - I see nothing wrong with having several layouts for a given map. For > example, see the 3 'Old Macdonald' variations (in addition to the original > layout). Actually I find it nice to show the user that one given track can > be perceived and driven in an entirely different manner. Thus I would > insist on keeping 'Lab Rally (bis)'. > - Related to the above, in your revision the 3rd cp is along a straight > wall that acts like a buffer and is easy to pass by; in your original Lab > Rally the 3rd cp is at crossroads, and in my layout this 3rd cp is very > tricky. This is lost in your revision. > - The in-game map of your revision is quite confusing. The by-product of > reducing the track size is that the in-game map is no longer very helpful. > - And last, I'd also like to keep the track comment intact: the original > is a "smarty-pants" track named 'Lab Rally', and I do feel like a "lab rat" > when completing the race, especially in the 'bis' configuration. :) So "Be > quick as a rat!" seems only appropriate. > Thanks for pointing all this out. I committed the original map files and our two level files. Do you know what the logic of the names is? It seems to be Latin numbers [1] but I don't know how the two levels should be named (and why). :) [1] http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Latin/Grammar/Latin-Numerals.html > Here's the cosmetically revised revision of 'Lab Rally (bis)': changed > time limit and author info. [1] > [1] http://s000.tinyupload.com/**index.php?file_id=**00985621426022934735<http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=00985621426022934735> > > > Right. Youtube has silently failed on me on several upload attempts, but > this was probably linked to my using Opera. I'll try with a different > browser and see what it gives. > > > Let me know what you think > Liviu > Cheers Iwan |
From: Liviu A. <liv...@my...> - 2012-03-10 09:13:41
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On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 00:35:42 +0100, Iwan Gabovitch <qu...@go...> wrote: > Thanks for pointing all this out. I committed the original map files and > our two level files. > Looks great, thanks. Also, I had no idea that we could do this: data/maps/labrally/labrally-bis.level data/maps/labrally/labrally.level I should go on and clean up all the 'Old Macdonald' variations. > Do you know what the logic of the names is? It seems to be Latin numbers > [1] but I don't know how the two levels should be named (and why). :) > Well, I was trying to use Roman numerals, indeed, but I botched it. I thought it was: bis, ter, quater, quinquies, sex 2 times, .., 6 times but it's actually bis, ter, quater, quinquies, sexies (There is a small error in the list [1], but I found source [2] which seems cleaner.) So I should clean this up, too. There is no compelling reason: I was once very amused to find out that a friend in France was living on 28 quater Rue Salenques So it wasn't 28, nor 28 bis, not even the strange 28 ter, but it was 28 quater. Hence I figured, why not use the same scheme for Trigger maps. The original map keeps its original name, but all additional variations are indexed using Latin numerals. Cheers Liviu [1] http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Latin/Grammar/Latin-Numerals.html [2] http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/bis#Latin > > >> Here's the cosmetically revised revision of 'Lab Rally (bis)': changed >> time limit and author info. [1] >> [1] >> http://s000.tinyupload.com/**index.php?file_id=**00985621426022934735<http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=00985621426022934735> >> >> >> Right. Youtube has silently failed on me on several upload attempts, but >> this was probably linked to my using Opera. I'll try with a different >> browser and see what it gives. >> >> >> Let me know what you think >> Liviu >> > > Cheers > > Iwan -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
From: Iwan G. <qu...@go...> - 2012-03-10 12:53:13
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On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Liviu Andronic <liv...@my...>wrote: > On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 00:35:42 +0100, Iwan Gabovitch <qu...@go...> > wrote: > >> Thanks for pointing all this out. I committed the original map files and >> our two level files. >> >> Looks great, thanks. Also, I had no idea that we could do this: > data/maps/labrally/labrally-**bis.level > data/maps/labrally/labrally.**level > > I should go on and clean up all the 'Old Macdonald' variations. That's a good idea. We can structure it like: trigger-rally/data/maps/oldmacdonald/ ├── colormap.jpg ├── farm-bis.level ├── farm-quinquies.level ├── farm-sex.level ├── foliagemap.png └── heightmap.png I have that layout now, to test if it works (it does). Should I commit it? Well, I was trying to use Roman numerals, indeed, but I botched it. I > thought it was: > bis, ter, quater, quinquies, sex > 2 times, .., 6 times > > but it's actually > bis, ter, quater, quinquies, sexies > > (There is a small error in the list [1], but I found source [2] which > seems cleaner.) > > So I should clean this up, too. There is no compelling reason: I was once > very amused to find out that a friend in France was living on > 28 quater Rue Salenques > > So it wasn't 28, nor 28 bis, not even the strange 28 ter, but it was 28 > quater. Hence I figured, why not use the same scheme for Trigger maps. The > original map keeps its original name, but all additional variations are > indexed using Latin numerals. > > Cheers > Liviu > > [1] http://www.orbilat.com/**Languages/Latin/Grammar/Latin-**Numerals.html<http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Latin/Grammar/Latin-Numerals.html> > [2] http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/**bis#Latin<http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/bis#Latin> > |
From: Liviu A. <liv...@my...> - 2012-03-11 17:45:42
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On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:53:06 +0100, Iwan Gabovitch <qu...@go...> wrote: > > That's a good idea. We can structure it like: > > trigger-rally/data/maps/oldmacdonald/ > ├── colormap.jpg > ├── farm-bis.level > ├── farm-quinquies.level > ├── farm-sex.level > ├── foliagemap.png > └── heightmap.png > > I have that layout now, to test if it works (it does). Should I commit > it? > Yes, go ahead. In the process could you change 'sex' to 'sexies'? Thanks Liviu |
From: Iwan G. <qu...@go...> - 2012-03-11 17:53:45
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On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Liviu Andronic <liv...@my...>wrote: > Yes, go ahead. In the process could you change 'sex' to 'sexies'? > Done and committed. > > Thanks > Liviu > Cheers Iwan |