First try with Tradamus on Nov 4, 2013. I finished transcribing in T-PEN three MSS of one chapter of William of Auvergne's "Supplementum Tractatus de Poenitentia" and planned to use them for a test edition. I successfully created a New Edition in Tradamus, linked it to my T-PEN account, and imported the three MSS. All good so far. Then the problems began:
1) The CollateX program under Review took a very long time to process, even though it was just three MSS of a very short text. But it worked eventually, so do I just need to be patient?
2) In the transcriptions imported from T-PEN every pair of words at the end of a line and beginning of the next line were strung together. Apparently I need to go back into T-PEN and fix every line. Perhaps T-PEN needs to make it clear how line endings will be processed.
3) I made all the line fixes and T-PEN, but I can't see how or when Tradamus syncs with T-PEN. I tried importing the three transcriptions again, but they appeared then as MSS #4-6, instead of replacing the original three. So I now have an edition made of 6 witnesses, but that's made of slightly different copies of three different MSS.
4) When the Collation was complete and the drop-down menu appeared for confirming them, nothing was in the menu. Chrome froze at that point, I reloaded the screen, and had to collate a second time before the menu appeared with witnesses listed. This happened on my second edition as well.
5) I would like a way to delete MSS from an edition, and a way to delete an entire edition. Since I can't delete witnesses or editions, I made a new edition, and imported the 3 MSS again, repeating some of the problems listed above.
6) Once I finally confirmed the collations and made it to the Collation Review, I had a whopping 3936 words or phrases to review, for a ca. 5 page document! Beyond that, I could not understand what to do at that point. The Next and Previous buttons work, scrolling me through all the variant readings, but the Digest button didn't seem to do anything. Where do I go from here?
I'm looking forward to hearing others' thoughts as you reach this part of Tradamus.
Thanks! Winston
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I am not sure why it took so long, but we may be wise to look into a
progress indicator.
I will check the data. I think you're words may simply have an invisible
character linking them that I am not respecting in the front end. Would you
add cubap@slu.edu as a viewer to your Edition and I can check it out
directly?
Yeah... there isn't a front-end link-up for pulling in changes from
T-PEN yet. I'll talk to Eric and we can get that going (but it won't be
right away)
Sound like an order of operations issue. I will make a ticket to address
it.
Deleting all objects is on the map, but not implemented yet.
That's a very high number and would explain #1. I will have to look at
this specific case, as it may be the cause of #2 and #4 as well. The Digest
button should not be seen by the end-user if everything is working.
Patrick Cuba
Center for Digital Humanities
Saint Louis University
314-977-4249
First try with Tradamus on Nov 4, 2013. I finished transcribing in T-PEN
three MSS of one chapter of William of Auvergne's "Supplementum Tractatus
de Poenitentia" and planned to use them for a test edition. I successfully
created a New Edition in Tradamus, linked it to my T-PEN account, and
imported the three MSS. All good so far. Then the problems began:
1) The CollateX program under Review took a very long time to process,
even though it was just three MSS of a very short text. But it worked
eventually, so do I just need to be patient?
2) In the transcriptions imported from T-PEN every pair of words at the
end of a line and beginning of the next line were strung together.
Apparently I need to go back into T-PEN and fix every line. Perhaps T-PEN
needs to make it clear how line endings will be processed.
3) I made all the line fixes and T-PEN, but I can't see how or when
Tradamus syncs with T-PEN. I tried importing the three transcriptions
again, but they appeared then as MSS #4-6, instead of replacing the
original three. So I now have an edition made of 6 witnesses, but that's
made of slightly different copies of three different MSS.
4) When the Collation was complete and the drop-down menu appeared for
confirming them, nothing was in the menu. Chrome froze at that point, I
reloaded the screen, and had to collate a second time before the menu
appeared with witnesses listed. This happened on my second edition as well.
5) I would like a way to delete MSS from an edition, and a way to delete
an entire edition. Since I can't delete witnesses or editions, I made a new
edition, and imported the 3 MSS again, repeating some of the problems
listed above.
6) Once I finally confirmed the collations and made it to the Collation
Review, I had a whopping 3936 words or phrases to review, for a ca. 5 page
document! Beyond that, I could not understand what to do at that point. The
Next and Previous buttons work, scrolling me through all the variant
readings, but the Digest button didn't seem to do anything. Where do I go
from here?
I'm looking forward to hearing others' thoughts as you reach this part of
Tradamus.
Thanks! Winston
Thanks, Patrick. This is great. I've added you as a Viewer to my second try at an edition. My first try is still sitting there with extra witnesses that I can't delete.
I was able to answer one of my own questions concerning the treatment of line endings: if a line ends in a complete word I kept a space on the end. If it ends in the middle of a word, no space, no punctuation at all. That way, when the text is imported to Tradamus, there are no run-on or broken up words. This will surely apply to most or all of us using T-PEN and Tradamus.
A new, sub-problem: I noticed in the Review screen of Tradamus that the program was counting every piece of punctuation as a unique variant, and this surely made up a lot of my ca. 4000 variants for review. We had talked about this last week, but are there ways yet to tell CollateX to ignore punctuation, or orthographic variants, etc?
Thanks, Winston
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First try with Tradamus on Nov 4, 2013. I finished transcribing in T-PEN three MSS of one chapter of William of Auvergne's "Supplementum Tractatus de Poenitentia" and planned to use them for a test edition. I successfully created a New Edition in Tradamus, linked it to my T-PEN account, and imported the three MSS. All good so far. Then the problems began:
1) The CollateX program under Review took a very long time to process, even though it was just three MSS of a very short text. But it worked eventually, so do I just need to be patient?
2) In the transcriptions imported from T-PEN every pair of words at the end of a line and beginning of the next line were strung together. Apparently I need to go back into T-PEN and fix every line. Perhaps T-PEN needs to make it clear how line endings will be processed.
3) I made all the line fixes and T-PEN, but I can't see how or when Tradamus syncs with T-PEN. I tried importing the three transcriptions again, but they appeared then as MSS #4-6, instead of replacing the original three. So I now have an edition made of 6 witnesses, but that's made of slightly different copies of three different MSS.
4) When the Collation was complete and the drop-down menu appeared for confirming them, nothing was in the menu. Chrome froze at that point, I reloaded the screen, and had to collate a second time before the menu appeared with witnesses listed. This happened on my second edition as well.
5) I would like a way to delete MSS from an edition, and a way to delete an entire edition. Since I can't delete witnesses or editions, I made a new edition, and imported the 3 MSS again, repeating some of the problems listed above.
6) Once I finally confirmed the collations and made it to the Collation Review, I had a whopping 3936 words or phrases to review, for a ca. 5 page document! Beyond that, I could not understand what to do at that point. The Next and Previous buttons work, scrolling me through all the variant readings, but the Digest button didn't seem to do anything. Where do I go from here?
I'm looking forward to hearing others' thoughts as you reach this part of Tradamus.
Thanks! Winston
progress indicator.
character linking them that I am not respecting in the front end. Would you
add cubap@slu.edu as a viewer to your Edition and I can check it out
directly?
T-PEN yet. I'll talk to Eric and we can get that going (but it won't be
right away)
it.
this specific case, as it may be the cause of #2 and #4 as well. The Digest
button should not be seen by the end-user if everything is working.
Patrick Cuba
Center for Digital Humanities
Saint Louis University
314-977-4249
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Winston Black weblack2@users.sf.net wrote:
Thanks, Patrick. This is great. I've added you as a Viewer to my second try at an edition. My first try is still sitting there with extra witnesses that I can't delete.
I was able to answer one of my own questions concerning the treatment of line endings: if a line ends in a complete word I kept a space on the end. If it ends in the middle of a word, no space, no punctuation at all. That way, when the text is imported to Tradamus, there are no run-on or broken up words. This will surely apply to most or all of us using T-PEN and Tradamus.
A new, sub-problem: I noticed in the Review screen of Tradamus that the program was counting every piece of punctuation as a unique variant, and this surely made up a lot of my ca. 4000 variants for review. We had talked about this last week, but are there ways yet to tell CollateX to ignore punctuation, or orthographic variants, etc?
Thanks, Winston