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From: Levi N. <ln...@sd...> - 2011-05-23 01:16:45
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A quick hello to tnt-devel. I use GNU Emacs 23.1.1, and would like to help out with GNU Emacs support for tnt. Will keep the dev list posted if I find any useful information. Cheers. |
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From: Szabolcs S. <sza...@gm...> - 2010-05-15 17:44:58
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Hey Guys, I've been using this TNT stuff for a couple of weeks. I experienced issues with the AIM Blast chat functionality. Namely your authorizing "!1" reply to those outside request doesn't have any effect. I've downloaded the CVS head revision recently and investigated the reason. It is that the AIM Blast rooms are named like [roomname], with the brackets. The default behaviour coded into toc-normalize only removes spaces etc. and the message is sent like "toc_send_im [room] \"!1\"". The thing is that brackets should be escaped here. In the same time if you try to login with "\"loginname\"" (your screen name surrounded with quotes), it doesn't work (actually I don't know why). Therefore I introduced some additional code @toc-normalize and I'd like to check it in as user grault@sourceforge.. It's like this: RCS file: /cvsroot/tnt/tnt/toc.el,v retrieving revision 1.29 diff -r1.29 toc.el 508a509,517 > (defun toc-encoding-is-necessary (str) > (let ((encoded (toc-encode str))) > (not (string= str (substring encoded 1 (1- (length encoded))))))) > > (defun toc-soft-encode (str) > (if (not (toc-encoding-is-necessary str)) > str > (toc-encode str))) > 510c519 < "Removes spaces and smashes STR to lowercase." --- > "Removes spaces and smashes STR to lowercase & encodes it if necessary." 514c523 < str "")) --- > (toc-soft-encode str) "")) Cheers, Szabolcs |
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From: Ulrich M. <ul...@ge...> - 2010-02-20 07:47:50
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>>>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, NeilFred Picciotto wrote: >>> How did the TiK developers go about changing their license? Did >>> they actually get any kind of approval to do so from AOL or did >>> they just change it assuming that AOL would never bother to come >>> after them? >> >> It would be interested to hear how they handled the situation, we >> might be able to just follow suit. > The thread that Ulrich linked to -- > http://www.mail-archive.com/deb...@li.../msg04343.html > includes messages (labeled as coming from "tictoc") which kind of > sound like they may have come from someone actually at AOL...? That thread (including all e-mail addresses) is also archived here: <http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/1999/03/msg00200.html> Ulrich |
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From: NeilFred P. <nei...@gm...> - 2010-02-20 02:45:45
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On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Jim Whitehead II <jnw...@gm...> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:00 PM, NeilFred Picciotto <nei...@gm...> wrote: >> Of all the developers who have contributed to TNT since the >> SourceForge project was created, I suspect that nobody would have any >> problem at all with changing the license to be more free. The license >> text that's in there is probably just whatever AOL put in when they >> originally released the initial version of the code; I don't think >> anyone has bothered to change it. > > Indeed, but that's really my point. The codebase we contributed to > already began with a license and we can't just override that without > some actually standing to do so. Right, exactly my point as well. :) Hence my question about how TiK did it. >> How did the TiK developers go about changing their license? Did they >> actually get any kind of approval to do so from AOL or did they just >> change it assuming that AOL would never bother to come after them? > > It would be interested to hear how they handled the situation, we > might be able to just follow suit. The thread that Ulrich linked to -- http://www.mail-archive.com/deb...@li.../msg04343.html includes messages (labeled as coming from "tictoc") which kind of sound like they may have come from someone actually at AOL...? Of course that was over 10 years ago, so even if we could get hold of the email address that message came from, they probably no longer work for AOL. :) -- NeilFred Picciotto |
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From: Jim W. II <jnw...@gm...> - 2010-02-19 23:24:53
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On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:00 PM, NeilFred Picciotto <nei...@gm...> wrote: > Of all the developers who have contributed to TNT since the > SourceForge project was created, I suspect that nobody would have any > problem at all with changing the license to be more free. The license > text that's in there is probably just whatever AOL put in when they > originally released the initial version of the code; I don't think > anyone has bothered to change it. Indeed, but that's really my point. The codebase we contributed to already began with a license and we can't just override that without some actually standing to do so. > How did the TiK developers go about changing their license? Did they > actually get any kind of approval to do so from AOL or did they just > change it assuming that AOL would never bother to come after them? It would be interested to hear how they handled the situation, we might be able to just follow suit. - Jim |
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From: NeilFred P. <nei...@gm...> - 2010-02-19 20:00:44
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Of all the developers who have contributed to TNT since the SourceForge project was created, I suspect that nobody would have any problem at all with changing the license to be more free. The license text that's in there is probably just whatever AOL put in when they originally released the initial version of the code; I don't think anyone has bothered to change it. How did the TiK developers go about changing their license? Did they actually get any kind of approval to do so from AOL or did they just change it assuming that AOL would never bother to come after them? -- NeilFred Picciotto On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Ulrich Mueller <ul...@ge...> wrote: > Hi, > > I hope this list is still alive. I'm maintainer of Emacs related > packages in Gentoo. Recently it was pointed out to me that TNT is > released under a non-free license. > > The following old thread (it's about TiK, but the TNT license has the > same terms) summarises the issue nicely: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/deb...@li.../msg04343.html> > > | The TiK license looks a lot like the standard BSD / XFree86 > | non-Copyleft Free Software license, except for two minor issues. > | First, clause ii) places a restriction on how the software can be > | used. Second, another section near the end makes some additional > | prohibitions on use by saying the software can not be used to > | operate a nuclear facility or for aircraft control, air traffic, > | aircraft navigation or aircraft communications. While this section > | is of little consequence to anyone because it is probably impossible > | for someone to use TiK for any of these purposes, this restriction > | violates our guideline #6 (No Discrimination Against Fields of > | Endeavor) and may prevent us from distributing the software. > > Now TiK was relicensed under the GNU GPL long time ago. Therefore I'd > like to ask if the same could be done for TNT? > > Also, the SF project page <http://sourceforge.net/projects/tnt/> > wrongly labels the package as "License: OSI-Approved Open Source". > At least that should be changed. > > Ulrich > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval > Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs > proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. > See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev > _______________________________________________ > tnt-devel mailing list > tnt...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tnt-devel > |
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From: Jim W. II <jnw...@gm...> - 2010-02-19 11:55:26
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On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Ulrich Mueller <ul...@ge...> wrote: > Hi, > > I hope this list is still alive. I'm maintainer of Emacs related > packages in Gentoo. Recently it was pointed out to me that TNT is > released under a non-free license. > > The following old thread (it's about TiK, but the TNT license has the > same terms) summarises the issue nicely: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/deb...@li.../msg04343.html> > > | The TiK license looks a lot like the standard BSD / XFree86 > | non-Copyleft Free Software license, except for two minor issues. > | First, clause ii) places a restriction on how the software can be > | used. Second, another section near the end makes some additional > | prohibitions on use by saying the software can not be used to > | operate a nuclear facility or for aircraft control, air traffic, > | aircraft navigation or aircraft communications. While this section > | is of little consequence to anyone because it is probably impossible > | for someone to use TiK for any of these purposes, this restriction > | violates our guideline #6 (No Discrimination Against Fields of > | Endeavor) and may prevent us from distributing the software. > > Now TiK was relicensed under the GNU GPL long time ago. Therefore I'd > like to ask if the same could be done for TNT? > > Also, the SF project page <http://sourceforge.net/projects/tnt/> > wrongly labels the package as "License: OSI-Approved Open Source". > At least that should be changed. Unfortunately, the license isn't something that we are able to change. We didn't set the license, and the original code was released by AOL and they retain the copyright for that original work. We thus cannot relicense their work without their explicit permission and we had enough difficulty finding the code in the first place. I've updated the sourceforge page to reflect 'Other license', per your suggestion. - Jim |
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From: Ulrich M. <ul...@ge...> - 2010-02-19 11:50:27
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Hi, I hope this list is still alive. I'm maintainer of Emacs related packages in Gentoo. Recently it was pointed out to me that TNT is released under a non-free license. The following old thread (it's about TiK, but the TNT license has the same terms) summarises the issue nicely: <http://www.mail-archive.com/deb...@li.../msg04343.html> | The TiK license looks a lot like the standard BSD / XFree86 | non-Copyleft Free Software license, except for two minor issues. | First, clause ii) places a restriction on how the software can be | used. Second, another section near the end makes some additional | prohibitions on use by saying the software can not be used to | operate a nuclear facility or for aircraft control, air traffic, | aircraft navigation or aircraft communications. While this section | is of little consequence to anyone because it is probably impossible | for someone to use TiK for any of these purposes, this restriction | violates our guideline #6 (No Discrimination Against Fields of | Endeavor) and may prevent us from distributing the software. Now TiK was relicensed under the GNU GPL long time ago. Therefore I'd like to ask if the same could be done for TNT? Also, the SF project page <http://sourceforge.net/projects/tnt/> wrongly labels the package as "License: OSI-Approved Open Source". At least that should be changed. Ulrich |
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From: Jim W. II <jnw...@gm...> - 2009-10-31 09:49:29
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Timothy Beyer <be...@cs...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I am having trouble getting UTF-8 to work with TNT (both send and receive from other clients, being Pidgin and Bitlbee). I have sucessfully used UTF-8 Kanji characters inside erc via bitlbee, (with Pidgin as the other client) using jabber and oscar protocol, so I'm wondering if this is just a limitation of the TOC 2.x protocol, or TNT, or am I missing something? There is some talk on the Miranda IM forums of "TOC 3" (http://forums.miranda-im.org/showthread.php?p=29010) protocol, but I'm not sure if that person just made a typo. > > I haven't looked at the TNT code in quite a long time, but I could try to implement support for UTF 8, assuming it's supported by the protocol. I'm using version TNT 2.6. There hasn't been all that much work on TNT in the past few years, full stop. There's likely better ways to handle things now, but I'm not sure how many of the "developers" are still actively using it. That being said, I'm happy to hand the keys to the sourceforge project over to someone who has more of a stake in the software. - Jim |
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From: Timothy B. <be...@cs...> - 2009-10-31 06:38:39
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Hi, I am having trouble getting UTF-8 to work with TNT (both send and receive from other clients, being Pidgin and Bitlbee). I have sucessfully used UTF-8 Kanji characters inside erc via bitlbee, (with Pidgin as the other client) using jabber and oscar protocol, so I'm wondering if this is just a limitation of the TOC 2.x protocol, or TNT, or am I missing something? There is some talk on the Miranda IM forums of "TOC 3" (http://forums.miranda-im.org/showthread.php?p=29010) protocol, but I'm not sure if that person just made a typo. I haven't looked at the TNT code in quite a long time, but I could try to implement support for UTF 8, assuming it's supported by the protocol. I'm using version TNT 2.6. Thanks! Tim |
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From: David L. <lon...@gm...> - 2009-08-28 02:02:32
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Hi, In my efforts to do everything I ever do inside of emacs, I'm trying to get TNT working. So far, I've unpacked the 2.6 tarball to my site-lisp, and set up the ~/.emacs config for it. The problem I'm having is this: After I put in my password, it attempts to connect, but never does. From the message buffer: 21:54:59 TNT connection closed, trying to reconnect... Attempting to sign on... Mark set 21:55:29 TNT connection closed, trying to reconnect... Attempting to sign on... Mark set 21:55:59 TNT connection closed, trying to reconnect... Attempting to sign on... Mark set 21:56:29 TNT connection closed, trying to reconnect... Attempting to sign on... Mark set 21:56:59 TNT connection closed, trying to reconnect... Attempting to sign on... Mark set 21:57:29 TNT connection closed, trying to reconnect... Attempting to sign on... Mark set 21:58:00 TNT connection closed, trying to reconnect... Attempting to sign on... Mark set And so on. Any ideas what's wrong, or how to get a more useful debug output? Thanks, Dave |
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