Re: [Tile-dev] a tale of 2 trees

[Brett S. <bre...@ya...>]

(apologies about not embedding this message, email client problem).=0A=0ATh=
is situation sucks :)=0A=0AI have used treeview widget in the past for some=
 internal tools (i.e. small audience). Although I found it was sufficient f=
or what I wanted, I was not 100% satisfied. I had started an email client (=
really an outlook clone) using Tile (and hence treeview), but soon began to=
 understand that this probably would not fly well in a larger audience. At =
that point I had started learning tktreectrl (although I never really got t=
hrough it due to my second son being born). I do have to say that I have no=
t tried the last set of improvements Joe made to treeview, so I'm not 100% =
up to speed on it's capabilities. I do know that the new bbox method did he=
lp me out.=0A=0ASo, I'm kind of on the fence but I agree with Jeff's points=
. I have also one other nitpick....the lines that connect the tree elements=
 are not drawn. This is not a huge deal, but pretty much every tree widget =
I have seen does this. =0A=0AI really would like to see treeview in the cor=
e. But, I'm afraid *more* people than not will try it, and will not like it=
....and probably won't come back to it (isn't that what happened to Tcl in =
some sense?). If it would go in the core as it stands now, I might use it, =
but probably just for very small audience apps. When I do fully learn tktre=
ectrl, I will probably replace treeview with that (unless treeview improves=
 in the near future).=0A=0AAlso, if both treeview and tktreectrl go in the =
core, I agree with Will, that we need to rename tktreectrl. I think people =
will just be confused if they see 2 widgets with similiar names.=0A=0AMy $0=
.02=0A =0A--brett (still on the fence)=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=
=0AFrom: Jeff Hobbs <je...@ac...>=0ATo: Csaba Nemethi <csaba.neme=
th...@t-...>=0ACc: tkt...@li...; Will Duquett=
e <Wil...@jp...>; Tim Baker <tre...@ho...>=0ASen=
t: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:37:13 PM=0ASubject: Re: [Tile-dev] a tale=
 of 2 trees=0A=0ACsaba Nemethi wrote:=0A> Jeff Hobbs schrieb:=0A> > Your po=
ints are in general correct, but overlook the direct remarks I=0A> > made b=
elow.  Those features are certainly required for a decent dir =0A> > browse=
r, but they are necessary for many other type of apps as well. =0A> > The l=
ack of these in treeview is why people have turned to pure Tcl =0A> > alter=
natives even when treeview was available.  If you want to look at =0A> > tr=
eeview as a multicolumn listbox, then it really fails in 2 areas - no =0A> =
> x scrolling and the inability to control stretch/shrink of columns.  Joe =
=0A> > has said he likely won't have the time to address these before 8.5.0=
, =0A> > and thus I don't think it serves the core much to distract with th=
e =0A> > treeview.=0A=0A> While I generally agree with your criticism conce=
rning the current =0A> development state of the treeview widget, I would ha=
ve a quite serious =0A> problem if treeview wouldn't be integrated into the=
 core.  The reason is =0A> that in the tile-enabled version of Tablelist I =
make use of some =0A> treeview-related elements, like Treeheading.border an=
d Treeheading.cell.=0A=0AWhile this is an interesting aspect, it is not str=
ictly in favor of the=0Atreeview.  It is perhaps possible to have the eleme=
nts without the widget.=0A=0A> Also, your intention (decision?) to exclude =
treeview from the core =0A> doesn't take into account that there are quite =
a few people who already =0A> use treeview (in spite of its relatively earl=
y development state). =0A> After all, this wouldn't be the first widget in =
the core whose early =0A> versions are not yet quite satisfactory.=0A=0APle=
ase identify these people.  That is what I had hoped this discussion would=
=0Ado - flush out users of treeview to advocate that they are perfectly hap=
py=0Ausing it for X, Y and Z.  On the contrary, I have received only more=
=0A*negative* indicators.  I am still open either way, but I have been push=
ed=0Afarther against in the last few days without anybody really advocating=
 for on=0Acore widget value.=0A=0AJeff=0A=0A=0A----------------------------=
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