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[Tiki-devel] Convene (was" Re: CeCILL-B License compatible with Tiki? (was "Re: Moving forward with scheduling software")")
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From: Torsten F. <to...@fa...> - 2011-12-19 18:42:50
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Wow! just had a look at the docpage. A doodle like feature in Tiki. Great! And thx! Torsten Am 19.12.2011 18:35, schrieb Xavier de Pedro: > Robert Plummer finally got a similar behavior by coding it from scratch! > > Congratulations Robert! > > http://doc.tiki.org/PluginConvene (doodle-like) > > Coming along with Tiki9 > > Cheers > > Xavi > > P.S. So this thread can be considered as closed, finally. > > On 31/10/11 11:47, Xavi de Pedro wrote: >> Very intersting, Jyhem, thanks for sharing that information! :-) >> >> Robert, what about following this path? (the interface is so similar >> to doodle, that most users would feel confident with it in tiki). >> >> [About convener, I tried locally, etc. and looks promising, but it >> requires much more work (and of course, it would provide much more >> functionality, better integration with Tiki Calendar, etc.). But >> unluckily, that's beyond the scope of my budget (at least), and to >> me, it doesn't look like "low hanging fruit". I wish I had a funded >> project to pay your time to implement the integration of something >> like convener, but this is not the case.] >> >> So I would say, why not creating some (tiki) wiki plugin using the >> code from: >> http://studs.u-strasbg.fr/studs.php?sondage=aqg259dth55iuhwm#bas >> >> And maybe the integration with the calendar, if needed by someone >> (not me at the moment), could be achieved also by feeding our >> calendar with their data which is exportable already in csv? (and our >> calendar allows importing csv data somehow, as far as I remember) >> >> Moreover, They might also dual license their code, if we really >> needed, but as Jyhem says we might not need that at all, in fact. >> >> So I would say, +1 for the code from strasbourg, as "low hanging >> fruit", which potential further integration with other tiki features >> such as calendar in the future. >> >> Xavi >> >> On 29/10/11 12:33, Jean-Marc Libs wrote: >>> Hi Xavi, >>> >>> I just looked at all that stuff and it looks good. >>> >>> As you feared, "CeCILL-B licensed software" is not compatible with >>> LGPL, mainly due to some Berkeley-style advertising clause in clause >>> 5.3.4 of CeCILL-B, but they made a provision for this ! >>> The clause 5.3.5 of"CeCILL-B licensed software" says: >>> "A Modified Software may be distributed under the CeCILL-C license. >>> In such a case the provisions set forth in Article 5.3.4 >>> <http://www.cecill.info/licences/Licence_CeCILL-B_V1-en.html#credits> shall >>> be optional." >>> >>> And CeCILL-C is LGPL-compatible. >>> >>> My understanding is, we can take it, modify it (which we surely >>> will), put it in its own directory with a file referring to the >>> CeCILL-C licence and ship it with Tiki. >>> >>> f course, this is just my understanding, IANAL and any confirmation >>> is welcome. >>> >>> I would like to mention that this software was apparently written >>> for the needs of the local Uni of Strasbourg and I can confirm that >>> "it works", I know it is used by the people working there and >>> students and even other people (I certainly have). So it is being >>> maintained. I even recognised a guy I know and who went help on the >>> WikiFest booth during RMLL in july. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jean-Marc Jyhem Libs >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Xavi de Pedro >>> <xav...@vh... <mailto:xav...@vh...>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all: >>> >>> It seems the legal team is busy, so I re-send to the devel list, >>> in case anyone can confirm whether some "CeCILL-B licensed >>> software code" is compatible with our LGPL. >>> >>> This is for some doodle-like feature in Tiki 9. >>> >>> See below for more details. >>> >>> Xavi >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: Moving forward with scheduling software >>> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:33:00 +0200 >>> From: Xavi de Pedro >>> To: Robert Plummer >>> CC: le...@ti... <mailto:le...@ti...> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Robert: >>> (cc legal team) >>> >>> I don't know for sure wether CeCILL-B is compatible with LGPL. >>> >>> According to the description in wikipedia, it seems that >>> CeCILL-B license is compatible with MIT. And LGPL is compatible >>> with BSD and MIT also, but I don't know for sure if CeCILL-B is >>> compatible with LGPL. >>> >>> Any idea anyone from the legal team? >>> >>> We need to know this to choose which external libraries to use >>> to add a new feature (doodle-like) in Tiki9. >>> >>> Xavi >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CeCILL#Other_CeCILL_licenses >>> >>> >>> Other CeCILL licenses >>> >>> The CeCILL project also adds two other licenses: >>> >>> * CeCILL-B, which is fully compatible with BSD-like licenses >>> (BSD, X11, MIT) which have a strong attribution requirement >>> (which goes much further than a simple copyright notice), a >>> requirement normally not allowed by the GPL itself (which >>> describes it as an advertising requirement), and so this >>> license may be incompatible with the original CeCILL >>> license, if BSD-like components are integrated, unless the >>> software uses a dual-licencing scheme and conforms to the >>> licencing terms of all embedded components. >>> * CeCILL-C, for "component" software, which is fully >>> compatible with the FSF's LGPL license. >>> >>> These two licenses are also defined to make BSD-like and FSF's >>> LGPL licenses enforceable internationally under WIPO rules. >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> On 24/10/11 23:17, Robert Plummer wrote: >>>> After a little research, I found that what we are trying to do >>>> is a bit more complex than just building a user interface. I >>>> did, however, find a possible open source system that we could >>>> integrate (just the key files, and apply them to Tiki) here: >>>> http://studs.u-strasbg.fr/studs.php?sondage=aqg259dth55iuhwm#bas >>>> >>>> I think that the problem though may be the license: "CONTRAT DE >>>> LICENCE DE LOGICIEL LIBRE CeCILL-B" >>>> >>>> Is that compatible with tiki? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Robert Plummer >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Get your Android app more play: Bring it to the BlackBerry PlayBook >> in minutes. BlackBerry App World™ now supports Android™ Apps >> for the BlackBerry® PlayBook™. 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