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Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Distributed revision control (GIT, Bazaar, Mercurial) was Re: repo.tikiwiki.org | An idea
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From: Sylvie G. <sgr...@gm...> - 2010-01-31 22:45:27
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IMHO, the only reason to change to something else is to have a better merge IMHO svn and cvs have both a 'bad' merging tool - perhaps svn has some improvements but I have no idea - when you are in a big conflict - you are in a big conflict ! svn solved all the other problems I had. (I am a command line person) Has somebody a merge performance comparison? THx sylvie On Sun, 2010-01-31 at 13:42 +0000, ke...@le... wrote: > If there's a change, please select something that's likely to be on a shared server. I guess that means it should be fairly common. > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: "geoff@enmore" <ge...@en...> > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:45:25 > To: 'Tikiwiki developers'<tik...@li...> > Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Distributed revision control (GIT, Bazaar, > Mercurial) was Re: repo.tikiwiki.org | An idea > > As a 'simple' 'occasional' developer that doesn't get involved with any of > the difficult repository management stuff I'm assuming the choice won't make > that much difference to me so long as there is a Tortoise version I could > use (eg TortoiseHg, TortoiseBZR, TortoiseGit) and the repository is held on > SourceForge. > > Is this a fair assumption? > > > Geoff > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Laporte [mailto:ma...@ma...] > Sent: 30 January 2010 20:12 > To: Tikiwiki developers > Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Distributed revision control (GIT, > Bazaar,Mercurial) was Re: repo.tikiwiki.org | An idea > > Very interesting. > > Too bad he didn't look at Bazaar more. > > Bazaar is such a cool name, if all else is equal, we should pick this > because of the name :-) > > M ;-) > > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Jacob Moen <ja...@ma...> wrote: > > I am for Mercurial - but don't take my word on it. :) > > > > Steve Streeting - the lead developer of Ogre 3D, has done a lot of > > evaluation work, which you might find interesting: > > > > http://www.stevestreeting.com/2009/08/06/getting-more-structured-with- > > my-dvcs-tests/ > > http://www.stevestreeting.com/2009/11/06/dvcs-score-card/ > > > > If you need more, search for 'mercurial' at his blog. > > His evaluation is extremely fair and unbiased - unlike the most which > > you'll find on the net. > > > > > > Jacob 'jacmoe' Moen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marc Laporte" <ma...@ma...> > > To: "Tikiwiki developers" <tik...@li...> > > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:33 AM > > Subject: [Tikiwiki-devel] Distributed revision control (GIT, > > Bazaar,Mercurial) was Re: repo.tikiwiki.org | An idea > > > > > > Hi! > > > > I am reactivating this thread. > > > > There are no major problems with our current SVN setup. However, there > > could be some nice opportunities. > > > > I am not pushing for a change. But I do want to make sure what we have > > is what we want. A decision and not a lack of one. > > > > Please share your ideas & concerns here: > > http://dev.tikiwiki.org/Distributed+revision+control > > > > M ;-) > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Aldo <ax...@gm...> wrote: > >> Hi Alexander! > >> > >> I'm seeing Mercurial (I heard something about it some time ago) and > >> it's seems to be very similar ;) > >> > >>> Mainly the windows stuff is critical here, I think... One can run > >>> git on Cygwin, but does every Windows based PHP developer run Cygwin > >>> or have the skills to do that? We want to keep the barrier for new > >>> people coming into the project as low as possible. > >> > >> Yes, you are right! In windows, Git is a pain. > >> > >> So, the principles exposed in the emails before, if we are going to > >> make a change are: > >> > >> Easy to commit, and to make branch and merge Easy to manage the > >> repository Easy to use in the third major operating systems, and easy > >> to understand to newbies. > >> and the rule of the rule "Unlike a centralized version control system > >> in which experimentation can be disastrous, with a DVCS like > >> Mercurial (or Git), you just clone and experiment. If you like the > >> results, push them back, otherwise wipe the cloned repository and try > something else." > >> Experimentation is the key for doing cool things in TikiWiki. > >> > >> I think (independent if is Git or Mercurial or whatever) Tikiwiki > >> needs the DVCS model. This is the main reason of why I want to change > >> the current model. > >> > >> +1 to Alexander idea ;) > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Alexander Mette <ma...@am...> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Am Thursday 18 June 2009 15:38:47 schrieb Aldo: > >>> > Thank you Jonny for your interest ;) > >>> I'm interested, too! ;) > >>> > >>> Actually I was the guy who proposed git back then, when we were > >>> discussing the change of SCM. And git is being used on doc/dev.tw.o > >>> servers for configuration mangement. > >>> > >>> > I think Git, is very stable right now. Great open source > >>> > communities are using it (including the Linux kernel, obviously). > >>> > You have a git command to see in a gui the branch and merging > >>> > system. > >>> > > >>> > Tikiwiki, right now, it has been evolving very fast. And Git > >>> > itself allows working in a project quickly. As you comment, yes, > >>> > for certain people, git could be a extrange scm, but if you have > >>> > experience with SVN/CVS, in a couple of minutes, you are adapted > >>> > to the Git philosophy. > >>> > > >>> > I think for mods, can be very useful. And for the main version of > >>> > tikiwiki too. > >>> > > >>> > So, I'm preparing a short demo to show you in the Tikifest London, > >>> > how could be, the new repo.tikiwiki.org > >>> I'm looking forward to that! :) > >>> > >>> > But I'm going to create a new demo project in github.com to show > >>> > you how the methodology could be useful in sourceforge. In this > >>> > weekend I'm going to do it. > >>> There is one problem I see with git (well, 1.5 problems): > >>> - it doesn't run easily on Windows > >>> - it is pretty darn complex, when you want to do fancy stuff > >>> > >>> Mainly the windows stuff is critical here, I think... One can run > >>> git on Cygwin, but does every Windows based PHP developer run Cygwin > >>> or have the skills to do that? We want to keep the barrier for new > >>> people coming into the project as low as possible. > >>> > >>> The possible solution here (and I really_love_ git!!) would be > >>> Mercurial. > >>> It works with the same basic principles as git, it is easier to > >>> exploit the fancy stuff in it and it is easier to get to run on > >>> windows. > >>> > >>> my 2 cents > >>> > >>> greets > >>> amette > >>> > >>> > > >>> > Aldo ;) > >>> > > >>> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Jonny Bradley <tw...@no...> > wrote: > >>> > > Hi Aldo and everybody > >>> > > > >>> > > I'd really like to find out more about Git - i watched Torvalds > >>> > > doing a presentation on it on YouTube some time ago ( > >>> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 > >>> > > ) and it does sound good. > >>> > > > >>> > > We did discuss the possibility of migrating from CVS to Git > >>> > > instead of SVN, but it was generally felt that SVN would offer > >>> > > an easier learning path for more devs, and at the time Git was > >>> > > very young (no GUI etc). > >>> > > > >>> > > It does seem like a vast improvement in SCM, especially for > >>> > > branch merging, which is not at all nice with SVN, even with the > >>> > > nice tools in tiki. > >>> > > > >>> > > So do you have an idea of what we could try it out with? Mods > >>> > > version > >>> > > 2 maybe? > >>> > > > >>> > > jb > >>> > > > >>> > > On 15 Jun 2009, at 22:50, Aldo wrote: > >>> > > > Yes, you are right! > >>> > > > > >>> > > > But it wasn't my intention to limit the access to tikiwiki, > >>> > > > only imho, SVN don't give the powerful than git does. But > >>> > > > despite the fact, I didn't have in consideration the community > >>> > > > itself, and yes, moving a delicate piece of software (maybe > >>> > > > with 300 active > >>> > > > developers) could be very difficult, and more if we > >>> > > > considering for example your case. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Only I want to show you that there are more possibilities that > >>> > > > can be useful for us (I mean, for the Tikiwiki philosophy > >>> > > > itself). In the case of Git, people like Linux Kernel > >>> > > > developers are using it, and Perl, and gnome, and android ... > >>> > > > (of course their needs are very different that we have here, > >>> > > > and for those can be very nice). > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Aldo ;) > >>> > > > > >>> > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Wings-of-Glory > >>> > > > <kan...@gm...> > >>> > > > wrote: > >>> > > > QFT. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Kerr, Michael E (Mike) schrieb: > >>> > > > > The other consideration is that a lot of folks had problems > >>> > > > > >>> > > > getting access just to use SVN. On many server installs, SVN > >>> > > > is not a base install option, so you have to request it. I > >>> > > > personally had to fight tooth and nail to get SVN installed, > >>> > > > and SVN is fairly widely known. I doubt I could get something > >>> > > > called Git installed on our corporate images. I'm sure this > >>> > > > would also be an issue for many others. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > While it may be that it adds certain functionalities that > >>> > > > > would > >>> > > > > >>> > > > benefit developers, you also have to balance that with the > >>> > > > question of it possibly cutting down the developer pool > >>> > > > because the software isn't available to everybody. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Anybody who works or uses a Linux environment that is static > >>> > > > > with > >>> > > > > >>> > > > a particular Red Hat Enterprise Release, for example, does not > >>> > > > have access to Git, and if the maintainers of those systems > >>> > > > will only support the Red Hat Enterprise Release with nothing > >>> > > > else (like me) then they're left out. I had to call in favours > >>> > > > to get SVN added to our production server here. I believe it > >>> > > > is now part of one of the more recent RHEL versions, so at > >>> > > > least folks running a recent RHEL release have access to it. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I'm usually all for change that can improve things, but when > >>> > > > > it > >>> > > > > >>> > > > comes to involving critical software development tools where > >>> > > > the playing field is uneven, then I usually advocate the > >>> > > > lowest common denominator. I would have preferred to stay with > >>> > > > CVS because everybody has access to a version of it, no matter the > platform. > >>> > > > SVN wasn't a bad move because it is pretty much mainstream now > >>> > > > and synonymous with CVS. Moving to anything other than those > >>> > > > two, I think you would probably lose a lot of fringe > >>> > > > developers who can't get Git installed on their systems. You'd > >>> > > > certainly lose me as a developer, not that that would be much > >>> > > > of a loss lately. I've never heard of Git, and unless you're a > >>> > > > hardcore developer, others probably haven't either, so my > >>> > > > guess is that it is not a mainstream tool. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Essentially, it comes down to this: we need more developers > >>> > > > > in > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Tiki, not less. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I hate to shoot down interesting ideas, but when making a > >>> > > > > decision > >>> > > > > >>> > > > like that immediately cuts off a number of developers from > >>> > > > participating, then it turns from a constructive idea to a > >>> > > > destructive one. At least as far as my $0.02 go anyway. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Mike. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > >______________________________ Mike Kerr Sr. Internet > >>> > > > > Network Engineer > >>> > > > > (703) 886-2251 > >>> > > > > mik...@ve... > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > "I didn't come here to be ordinary." > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > verizonbusiness > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > global capability. personal accountability. > >>> > > > > http://www.verizonbusiness.com > >>> > > > > <http://www.verizonbusiness.com/> > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > This e-mail is strictly confidential and intended only for > >>> > > > > use by > >>> > > > > >>> > > > the addressee unless otherwise indicated. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >________________________________ > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > From: Aldo [mailto:ax...@gm...] > >>> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:02 PM > >>> > > > > To: Tikiwiki developers > >>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] repo.tikiwiki.org | An idea > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Well, because with GIT your productivity suffer an increase. > >>> > > > > And > >>> > > > > >>> > > > for migrating from SVN to GIT isn't be a pain because there > >>> > > > are tools for doing this automatically. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > The true nature of GIT (and it's real power) is the > >>> > > > > branching- > >>> > > > > >>> > > > merging work flow, among the distributed way too. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > What means that? Suppose you grab the code. You can create > >>> > > > > in your > >>> > > > > >>> > > > own copy more branches. One for experimental, you do things, > >>> > > > and when you finish you can merge with your own copy and again > >>> > > > pull your changes to the main server. Of course your branch > >>> > > > experimental when you finish your merge, will disappear. There > >>> > > > are a lot of possibilities! > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I think that the distributed model proposed in Git, fits > >>> > > > > very well > >>> > > > > >>> > > > in Tikiwiki right now. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > See http://git-scm.com/ if you want more info about Git, I'm > >>> > > > > >>> > > > pretty sure that this soft will not disappoint you. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > I'm proposing a change. But very slowly change, what means that? > >>> > > > > >>> > > > It means, we can try this tool (without affecting the current > >>> > > > model), and if we get a positive feedback, we can migrate to > >>> > > > this tool. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Aldo. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Kerr, Michael E (Mike) < > >>> > > > >>> > > mik...@ve... > >>> > > > >>> > > > > wrote: > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > It was a huge pain just to switch from CVS to SVN, why would > >>> > > > > we do > >>> > > > > >>> > > > it again when SVN has pretty much everything we need? > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Mike. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > >______________________________ Mike Kerr Sr. Internet > >>> > > > > Network Engineer > >>> > > > > (703) 886-2251 > >>> > > > > mik...@ve... > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > "I didn't come here to be ordinary." > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > verizonbusiness > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > global capability. personal accountability. > >>> > > > > http://www.verizonbusiness.com > >>> > > > > <http://www.verizonbusiness.com/> > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > This e-mail is strictly confidential and intended only for > >>> > > > > use by > >>> > > > > >>> > > > the addressee unless otherwise indicated. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >________________________________ > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > From: Aldo [mailto:ax...@gm...] > >>> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:38 PM > >>> > > > > To: Tikiwiki developers > >>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] repo.tikiwiki.org | An idea > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Wow! > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > Well I didn't know that! Well in the TikiFest London I'm > >>> > > > > going to > >>> > > > > >>> > > > talk about the Git methodology and why it can be useful for > >>> > > > tikiwiki. :D > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Aldo ;) > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Marc Laporte > >>> > > > > >>> > > > <ma...@ma...> wrote: > >>> > > > > This message has been blocked for a while because it was too > >>> > > > > >>> > > > heavy. I > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > approved just now. > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > SourceForge.net now offers many more options than before: > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/What%20is%20Sou > >>> > >rce%20Co > >>> > >de%20Management ? > >>> > > > >>> > > > > Best regards, > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > M ;-) > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Aldo<ax...@gm...> wrote: > >>> > > > >> Hi folks! > >>> > > > >> > >>> > > > >> The other day when I was navigating on the > >>> > > > >> http://git.kernel.org/ > >>> > > > > >>> > > > I found > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> that they're using git for source code management and > >>> > > > >> gitweb as web interface. So I was very curious about git, > >>> > > > >> and I dug into the > >>> > > > > >>> > > > doc page. I > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> found git is very powerful and very easy to understand, > >>> > > > >> take a > >>> > > > > >>> > > > look at its > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> site http://git-scm.com/documentation and it has tools for > >>> > > > > >>> > > > migrating from > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> svn to git. > >>> > > > >> > >>> > > > >> So I started to think about the possibility of creating a > >>> > > > > >>> > > > repo.tikiwiki.org > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> site where the developers could have all code and branches > >>> > > > >> that > >>> > > > > >>> > > > currently we > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> have in that site. So anyone could grab the code in a very > >>> > > > >> easy > >>> > > > > >>> > > > way. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> All I saying here it's an idea, I know currently tikiwiki > >>> > > > >> have > >>> > > > > >>> > > > php for doing > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> svn things like create one branch or something like that > >>> > > > >> (in git > >>> > > > > >>> > > > is very > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> easy to create branches and merging). > >>> > > > >> > >>> > > > >> An for the server option I have one account in dreamhost > >>> > > > >> that > >>> > > > > >>> > > > right now I'm > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> not using so it's can be a good site for placing the repo > >>> > > > >> site if > >>> > > > > >>> > > > you like > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> the idea. > >>> > > > >> > >>> > > > >> I created a demo on my localhost to show you how could be > >>> > > > >> the > >>> > > > > >>> > > > repo site. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> Plz share your thoughts, guys! > >>> > > > >> > >>> > > > >> -- > >>> > > > >> Aldo Borrero González > >>> > > > >> Estudiante de Ingeniería Técnica en Informática de Sistemas > >>> > > > >> Universidad de Alcalá de Henares > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >-------- > >>> > >----- > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check > >>> > > > >> out the new simplified licensing option that enables > >>> > > > > >>> > > > unlimited > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> royalty-free distribution of the report engine for > >>> > > > >> externally > >>> > > > > >>> > > > facing > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >> server and web deployment. > >>> > > > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > >>> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > >>> > > > >> Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > >>> > > > >> Tik...@li... > >>> > > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > -- > >>> > > > > Marc Laporte > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > http://MarcLaporte.com > >>> > > > > http://TikiWiki.org/MarcLaporte http://AvanTech.net > >>> > > > > http://OurWiki.net > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >-------- > >>> > >----- > >>> > > > >>> > > > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check > >>> > > > > out the new simplified licensing option that enables > >>> > > > > unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for > >>> > > > > externally facing server and web deployment. > >>> > > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > >>> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >>> > > > > Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > >>> > > > > Tik...@li... > >>> > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > > >-------- > >>> > > >- > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >-------- > >>> > >----- > >>> > > > >>> > > > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check > >>> > > > > out the new simplified licensing option that enables > >>> > > > > unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for > >>> > > > > externally facing server and web deployment. > >>> > > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > > >-------- > >>> > > >- > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >>> > > > > Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > >>> > > > > Tik...@li... > >>> > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >-------- > >>> > >----- > >>> > > > >>> > > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out > >>> > > > the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > >>> > > > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally > >>> > > > facing server and web deployment. > >>> > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > >>> > > >_______________________________________________ > >>> > > > Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > >>> > > > Tik...@li... > >>> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > -- > >>> > > > Aldo Borrero González > >>> > > > Estudiante de Ingeniería Técnica en Informática de Sistemas > >>> > > > Universidad de Alcalá de Henares > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >-------- > >>> > >----- > >>> > > > >>> > > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out > >>> > > > the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > >>> > > > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally > >>> > > > facing server and web deployment. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects______________________________ > >>> > >________ > >>> > >_________ > >>> > > > >>> > > > Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > >>> > > > Tik...@li... > >>> > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >-------- > >>> > >----- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check > >>> > >out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > >>> > >royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally > >>> > >facing server and web deployment. > >>> > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > >>> > >_______________________________________________ > >>> > > Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > >>> > > Tik...@li... > >>> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> ma...@am... > >>> http://amette.eu > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---------- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check > >>> out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > >>> royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > >>> server and web deployment. > >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>> Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > >>> Tik...@li... > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Aldo Borrero González > >> Estudiante de Ingeniería Técnica en Informática de Sistemas > >> Universidad de Alcalá de Henares > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> --------- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check > >> out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > >> royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > >> server and web deployment. > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > >>_______________________________________________ > >> Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > >> Tik...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Marc Laporte > > > > http://MarcLaporte.com > > http://TikiWiki.org/MarcLaporte > > http://AvanTech.net > > http://OurWiki.net > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, > > colocation Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best > > network in the business Choose flexible plans and management services > > without long-term contracts Personal 24x7 support from experience > > hosting pros just a phone call away. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > >_______________________________________________ > > Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > > Tik...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, > > colocation Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best > > network in the business Choose flexible plans and management services > > without long-term contracts Personal 24x7 support from experience > > hosting pros just a phone call away. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > >_______________________________________________ > > Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > > Tik...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > > > > > > -- > Marc Laporte > > http://MarcLaporte.com > http://TikiWiki.org/MarcLaporte > http://AvanTech.net > http://OurWiki.net > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > _______________________________________________ > Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > Tik...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > _______________________________________________ > Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > Tik...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel |