Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] Re: Tikiwiki Governance

[Damian P. <da...@da...>]

On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 19:39 -0400, Marc Laporte wrote:
> Hi Micheal!
> 
> Thank you for your advice.
> 
> I have been hearing for a long time now about concerns that Tiki will 
> implode, that it will not scale, that there are too many features, etc. 

*cough* you experience it *cough* bluehost and doc.tw.o *cough*

Sorry but what more proof do you want than that ????
doc.tw.o __only__ gets less than 5000 page views a day : tiki-stats.php
says so, and I hosted doc.tw.o since it started and it NEVER had huge
traffic that ate serious resources.  The webalizer stats based on apache
access logs showed it was under 10Gb of transfer each month.

> There has also been concern in the past because we didn't integrate 
> phpBB as many other projects do.

It can be a _mod oh I forgot Spiderr already did that for TikiWiki in
the 1.8 days !!! 

> I have been using Tiki since the beginning. I became project admin after 
> the original author, Luis Argerich, started fading out after an 
> outstanding contribution. At that time, we were only a handful of 
> contributors. I have seen Tiki 0.9, 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, etc. all the way till 
> today. I am happy to reassure everyone that Tiki has improved nicely 
> during this whole period. And the pace of contributions is increasing, 
> not slowing down. Some people come, some people go. However, overall, 
> things are not only continuing to evolve but the improvements are 
> speeding up. There were 118 commits last week!  
> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/tikiwiki  This is not to say we 
> should't refactor & improve some design choices but so far, so good.
> 

Are you sure? Says: 39 messages last week

Similarly for the same timescale Bitweaver says: 451 messages last week

Im leaving mine out as its still being imported and getting started.

> The only risky period I saw was the delayed release of version 1.9.0 
> (and problems with the feature freeze/thaw/freeze/thaw, etc)  I believe 
> that if we had delayed further the release of 1.9.0, it would have 
> jeopardized the future of Tiki. But we released 1.9.0 and since, 1.9.1 & 
> 1.9.2 have been nice stabilizing releases. Tiki is in excellent health. 
> Tiki 1.9.2 has both more features and is more stable than any previous 
> version, including 1.8.6.  Tiki 1.9.3 will be even better.
> 
> Of course, no one can predict the future. However, I want to state my 
> intentions for my personal participation to the project in the coming 
> years. I love this project. I love this community. I love setting up 
> wikis. I love the collaboration and communities that it fosters. I think 
> it's the best thing since sliced bread!! :-) I love DogFooding Tiki. I 
> see myself using and participating to the Tiki project & community for a 
> long time. I am amazed at what happens when people get together to solve 
> a problem.

You are also the one that is experiencing a lot of trouble of shared
hosting also because of the extra libraries required.  First it was
using too many resources, then it wasnt compatible with server config,
now you cant complete the galaxia because you want the graphviz.
(tonight in IRC)

> As I wrote in recent posts to this list, I could see ourselves having 
> triple the number of developers, 10 times more Tiki installations, and 
> 100 languages within 12-18 months.

Oh dear god!

A typical language file is currently around 380k 
A typical CVS checkout is currently about 35Mb

With an extra 75 languages (approx) would equal a footprint of approx
65Mb! not including anything else that would get added along the way.

You have just kissed goodbye to most people on shared hosting accounts.
And with figures like that achieving 8Mb memory usage window is
yesterdays bacon and eggs.

> 
> Together, we will solve all the challenges ahead.

We can, but you have to agree to them and not refuse them.


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Damian Parker
http://www.damosoft.co.uk