RE: [Thinstation-general] The structure of ts.conf.buildtime

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actually, I'd rather not do it for 2.0.2 as I'm having to merge quite a few
changes from the 2.1 file into your one.  you must have based your version
on the 2.0.2 file, not 2.1

-----Original Message-----
From: Miles Roper [mailto:mr...@we...]
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 05:45 p.m.
To: 'Mike Eriksen'
Cc: thi...@li...
Subject: RE: [Thinstation-general] The structure of ts.conf.buildtime

perfect, included in 2.1, do you want to include it in 2.0.2?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Eriksen [mailto:km...@ma...]
Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2004 05:58 a.m.
To: Miles Roper
Cc: thi...@li...
Subject: RE: [Thinstation-general] The structure of ts.conf.buildtime

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Miles Roper wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> ok this looks pretty good.
> 
> just one point, the ica examples are above the ica descriptions, not
below.
> do you think this could be confusing?

Hmmm, well, yes I guess you are right. They should be put back in front.

> the same goes for
> 
> # Default Settings for all sessions
> 
> SCREEN=0
> WORKSPACE=1
> AUTOSTART=On
> 
> these arn't explained until you get down further.  could be confusing.
> thoughts?

Well, yes and no. These are short versions of the SESSION ones, and I'm 
not convinced this is obvious to newcomers. How about an explanation in 
both places?

I've attached an updated ts.conf.example with these changes. It also has 
quiet a few other ones.

Feel free to comment everyone.

Mike

> Cheers
> 
> Miles
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Eriksen [mailto:km...@ma...]
> Sent: Saturday, 17 July 2004 08:19 a.m.
> To: Matthew E. Bernold
> Cc: thi...@li...
> Subject: RE: [Thinstation-general] The structure of ts.conf.buildtime
> 
> 
> Thanks for your input Matthew.
> 
> I'm not comletely sure I agree with your points. Well, actually I don't 
> :-)
> 
> I believe that yet another ts.conf is not the right way to go. These are 
> plenty already and it is terrible confusing as it is. And all these 
> ts.confs are in the core completely structural identical except for nine 
> lines unique to ts.conf.buildtime (setting ip, mask, dns...).
> 
> I would rather have just a complete "buildtime" with introductionary 
> comments as the one I've attached here. The nine unique line for 
> "buildtime" are at the very end and clearly marked as unique.
> 
> I believe it makes things much clearer that "there is ONE ts.conf you can 
> apply multiple times". But this requires a unified ts.conf.
> 
> Still, thanks for you constructive input.
> 
> Mike 
> 
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Matthew E. Bernold wrote:
> 
> > As an addition to my previous E-Mail, I can see why Miles might want to
> keep
> > the ts.conf.buildtime as clean as possible.  It is tempting to put too
> much
> > information in a locally built file, and rather difficult to change it
> once
> > you do.  If the ts.conf.buildtime were a full conf file, more people
would
> > be tempted just to use it without exploring the more manageable options.
> I
> > think that both sides are valid, which is why I suggested the compromise
> of
> > adding another .conf file loaded locally between the ts.conf.buildtime
and
> > the ts.conf.network.  This allows for a very clean ts.conf.buildtime for
> > those people who don't need local options, and a more detailed
> > ts.conf.localboot for those people who find they need it.
> > 
> > I think, btw, that by default, TS should come with a ts.conf.localboot
> that
> > is just comments so there aren't a whole bunch of undesired defaults
> running
> > around out there.  Maybe something like this:
> > 
> > # This file, thinstation.conf.localboot, is used to set defaults for a
> > # ThinStation that boots from local storage, so it can function without
a
> > # TFTP server.  If you find you need this option, just copy the
> > # thinstation.conf.example file over this one, and then set your
options.
> > 
> > Matthew E. Bernold
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Eriksen [mailto:km...@ma...]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 6:39 PM
> > To: thi...@li...
> > Subject: [Thinstation-general] The structure of ts.conf.buildtime
> > 
> > 
> > Miles and I recently had a private e-mail exchange on something else,
that
> 
> > ended up being an discussion on the structure of 
> > thinstation.conf.buildtime ("buildtime"). We've decided to start it
again 
> > here publically to get your opinion.
> > 
> > Miles obviously wants buildtime to be as it is (otherwise he'd changed
it
> > already :-)
> > 
> > I want to change buildtime to be as ts.conf.example. e.g. with the 
> > complete setup, which is perfectly possible as things are now. No code
has
> > to be changed.
> > 
> > My arguments are:
> > 
> > For boot from local devices you really need a complete buildtime, not
just
> 
> > the cut down version with network settings only. OK, if you boot from a
RW
> 
> > device, you may get around the problem by using a ts.conf.user, but for
a 
> > CD there is no way you can avoid putting everything in buildtime as it
is 
> > RO. Even with loadlin on a RW device a ts.conf.user is impossible due to

> > the DOS 8.3 file name convention (and I guess the same goes for
syslinux,
> > but I never tried).
> > 
> > Also it makes a lot of sense to me to build any image with useful 
> > defaults, so things can fail gracefully.
> >  
> > Since all the ts.conf(.buildtime, .network, .user, .group-<name>,
-<name>,
> 
> > -<ip>, -<mac>) really are identical in structure, I think that having an

> > apparently different buildtime file is confusing.
> > 
> > Comments?
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> 
> 

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