#476 use of `<stage>` inside poetry, and using placement attribute

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2014-01-10
2013-10-20
No

http://tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk/EEBO/ lists some places where TCP EEBO texts have identified stage directions inside poetry. Thus:
<l>Then such cheape stage-ware) to vnfold our Scene,</l> <l>And without vaile to Open what we meane</l> <l>Behold. <stage n="*" place="margin">Here the vp<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>per part of the <hi>Scene</hi> open'd; when straight appear'd a Heauen, and all the <hi>Pure Artes</hi> sitting on two semi<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>circular ben<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>ches, one a<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>boue another: who sate thus till the rest of the <hi>Prologue</hi> was spoken, which being ended, they descended in order within the <hi>Scene,</hi> whiles the Musicke plaid</stage> Our Poet knowing our free hearts</l> <l>Has here inuited Heau'n and All the Artes</l> <l>To entertayne His Theater, and does bring</l> <l>What he prepar'd for our Platonique King:</l>

where the stage direction comes in the margin (image attached). To support this, we could add <stage> to model.phrase, and make it a member of att.placement.

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  • Lou Burnard

    Lou Burnard - 2013-11-05

    Wouldn't this be better encoded as a <note place="margin"> (which could of course contain a <stage>) ?

     
  • Sebastian Rahtz

    Sebastian Rahtz - 2013-11-05

    That could work, I agree, for the example I gave. but why force the things into the procrustean bed of a <note>, just to get placement? what downside is there to allow @place on <stage>?

     
    Last edit: James Cummings 2013-11-09
  • James Cummings

    James Cummings - 2013-11-09

    stage should definitely claim membership in att.placement.

     
  • Lou Burnard

    Lou Burnard - 2013-11-10

    I've no problem with adding &stage> to att.placement, but I don't believe any other change is necessary -- it's already permitted as a child of <l>

    I note en passant that membership in att.placement is really just a specialised kind of rendition information.

     
  • Rebecca Welzenbach

    I agree with Lou that it makes sense to add <stage> to att.placement, but not sure why we would want to add it to model.phrase.

     
  • Sebastian Rahtz

    Sebastian Rahtz - 2013-11-11

    adding 'stage' to att.placement accepted by Council. adding it to model.phrase rejected until new evidence is offered.

     
  • James Cummings

    James Cummings - 2013-11-11
    • assigned_to: Sebastian Rahtz
    • Group: AMBER --> GREEN
     
  • James Cummings

    James Cummings - 2013-11-11

    Council in Oxford 2013-11 agreed that stage could have @place; Sebastian to implement and document.

     
  • Syd Bauman

    Syd Bauman - 2013-11-11

    I think there is a reasonable example of a stage direction that needs placement by no other features of <note> from the WWP corpus
    The Innocent Mistress, 1697:

    ``<stage rend="align(left)pre()break(yes)slant(italic)place(inset-left)"    type="entrance">Enter Mrs. 
    <persName rend="slant(upright)">Beauc.</persName></stage>``
    
     
  • Lou Burnard

    Lou Burnard - 2013-11-11

    Syd, this looks like a good example: can you provide a page image?

     
  • Sebastian Rahtz

    Sebastian Rahtz - 2013-11-11

    I am not sure why "inset-left" isn't just normal rendition like the rest of the string? looks like indentation at first blush.

     
  • Sebastian Rahtz

    Sebastian Rahtz - 2013-11-11
    • Description has changed:

    Diff:

    --- old
    +++ new
    @@ -1,9 +1,11 @@
     http://tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk/EEBO/ lists some places where TCP EEBO texts have identified stage directions inside poetry. Thus:
    -`<l>Then such cheape stage-ware) to vnfold our Scene,</l>
    +~~~~~
    +<l>Then such cheape stage-ware) to vnfold our Scene,</l>
                 <l>And without vaile to Open what we meane</l>
                 <l>Behold. <stage n="*" place="margin">Here the vp<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>per part of the <hi>Scene</hi> open'd; when straight appear'd a Heauen, and all the <hi>Pure Artes</hi> sitting on two semi<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>circular ben<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>ches, one a<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>boue another: who sate thus till the rest of the <hi>Prologue</hi> was spoken, which being ended, they descended in order within the <hi>Scene,</hi> whiles the Musicke plaid</stage> Our Poet knowing our free hearts</l>
                 <l>Has here inuited Heau'n and All the Artes</l>
                 <l>To entertayne His Theater, and does bring</l>
    -            <l>What he prepar'd for our Platonique King:</l>`
    +            <l>What he prepar'd for our Platonique King:</l>
    +~~~~~
    
     where the stage direction comes in the margin (image attached). To support this, we could add `<stage>` to model.phrase, and make it a member of att.placement.
    
     
  • Sebastian Rahtz

    Sebastian Rahtz - 2013-11-11
    • Description has changed:

    Diff:

    --- old
    +++ new
    @@ -1,11 +1,11 @@
     http://tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk/EEBO/ lists some places where TCP EEBO texts have identified stage directions inside poetry. Thus:
    -~~~~~
    +`
     <l>Then such cheape stage-ware) to vnfold our Scene,</l>
                 <l>And without vaile to Open what we meane</l>
                 <l>Behold. <stage n="*" place="margin">Here the vp<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>per part of the <hi>Scene</hi> open'd; when straight appear'd a Heauen, and all the <hi>Pure Artes</hi> sitting on two semi<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>circular ben<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>ches, one a<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>boue another: who sate thus till the rest of the <hi>Prologue</hi> was spoken, which being ended, they descended in order within the <hi>Scene,</hi> whiles the Musicke plaid</stage> Our Poet knowing our free hearts</l>
                 <l>Has here inuited Heau'n and All the Artes</l>
                 <l>To entertayne His Theater, and does bring</l>
                 <l>What he prepar'd for our Platonique King:</l>
    -~~~~~
    +`
    
     where the stage direction comes in the margin (image attached). To support this, we could add `<stage>` to model.phrase, and make it a member of att.placement.
    
     
  • Sebastian Rahtz

    Sebastian Rahtz - 2013-11-11

    Council meeting 11/13 debated at length, and eventually agreed to this; seeing that <stage> can have note-like properties, of being out of the main reading order of text, and thus @place makes sense for them. Implement, but make sure discussed in main guidelines.

     
  • Sebastian Rahtz

    Sebastian Rahtz - 2013-11-11
     
  • James Cummings

    James Cummings - 2014-01-10

    Has this been completed?

     
  • Sebastian Rahtz

    Sebastian Rahtz - 2014-01-10
    • status: open --> closed
     
  • Sebastian Rahtz

    Sebastian Rahtz - 2014-01-10

    yes, its been implemented. duly closing

     

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