#448 Improve discussion of <substJoin> element

[Lou Burnard]

There are just two sentences and one vague example to explain the new <substJoin> element at the end of 11.3.1.5 (http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/PH.html#PHSU) The second sentence reads "For example, in the following example from Thomas Moore's Lalla Rookh, the metrical structure of the verse means that the deleted word and its substitution are in different positions, and so a subst element would be invalid because of the intervening text: "

a) this sentence is very confusing. I don't understand what connexion there can be between the metrical structure and the fact that a <subst> element would be invalid, but the "and so" implies that there is one. Also surely the deleted word and the added one are necessarily in different positions. But mostly this sentence just does not explain why <subst> cannot be used here.

b) most of the other examples in this section are accompanied by a graphic showing the passage in question. this would be particularly useful in this case, especially since there's no link to the source of the example, as there should be.

If we can't improve on this we should revert the change that introduced this hastily conceived and inadequately described element.

[BODARD Gabriel]

Adding better prose (suggestions?) and more examples and illustration: +1

Reverting this change: -1000
This stuff is already in use, and I don't think it was poorly conceived or justified at all. Inadequately described: guilty as charged. Let's fix that.

[Rebecca Welzenbach]

What about instead,

"In the following example from Thomas Moore's Lalla Rookh, the deletion and addition are not contiguous: they are separated by the word "thus," which is not part of the scribal intervention being marked. Because of this intervening text, it would be inappropriate to use <subst> to group this <add> and <del>. <substJoin> allows the encoder to indicate that additions and deletions occurring in different places are part of a single scribal intervention."

[Lou Burnard]

Glad you agree that it's inadequately described at least!

[this just a test to see whether a reply will update the ticket]

On 27/03/13 17:03, BODARD Gabriel wrote:

Adding better prose (suggestions?) and more examples and illustration: +1

Reverting this change: -1000
This stuff is already in use, and I don't think it was poorly
conceived or justified at all. Inadequately described: guilty as
charged. Let's fix that.

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[feature-requests:#448]
http://sourceforge.net/p/tei/feature-requests/448/ Improve
discussion of element

Status: open
Created: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:42 PM UTC by Lou Burnard
Last Updated: Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:42 PM UTC
Owner: nobody

There are just two sentences and one vague example to explain the new
|<substjoin>| element at the end of 11.3.1.5
(http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/PH.html#PHSU) The
second sentence reads "For example, in the following example from
Thomas Moore's Lalla Rookh, the metrical structure of the verse means
that the deleted word and its substitution are in different positions,
and so a subst element would be invalid because of the intervening text: "</substjoin>

a) this sentence is very confusing. I don't understand what connexion
there can be between the metrical structure and the fact that a
|<subst>| element would be invalid, but the "and so" implies that
there is one. Also surely the deleted word and the added one are
necessarily in different positions. But mostly this sentence just does
not explain why |<subst>| cannot be used here.</subst></subst>

b) most of the other examples in this section are accompanied by a
graphic showing the passage in question. this would be particularly
useful in this case, especially since there's no link to the source of
the example, as there should be.

If we can't improve on this we should revert the change that
introduced this hastily conceived and inadequately described element.

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[Rebecca Welzenbach]

Becky will edit the prose as suggested above--also mentioning that the position of the substJoin element is arbitrary

This poem was used in a TEI workshop Becky took--she may have the image of the page. Will look for it anyway.

[Rebecca Welzenbach]

Prose corrected at rev 11863. A related graphic may be found later.