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RE: [TCLCORE] TIP #108: Summary of Changes to Generic Tcl/Tk Code to Enable Mac OS X Port
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From: John O. <ou...@el...> - 2002-09-06 15:25:45
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Oops, now that you mention it, I do remember seeing the thread. Somehow it didn't seem like such a bad idea when I saw the original thread, but your message yesterday bothered me more (and I had forgotten about the earlier thread). I do see the benefit of getting the Macintosh stuff into the 8.4 release, but I'm also concerned about the precedent that this sets. I'll retract my NO vote that I made yesterday, but I really think we should try to avoid situations like this in the future. If something is important enough that you don't want it to miss a release, then you should plan ahead enough to get the vote done in time. I think this can be accomplished even with your "day job". -John- > -----Original Message----- > From: tcl...@li... > [mailto:tcl...@li...] On Behalf Of Jim Ingham > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:20 AM > To: List Tcl > Subject: Re: [TCLCORE] TIP #108: Summary of Changes to > Generic Tcl/Tk Code to Enable Mac OS X Port > > > John, > > You seem to have missed the thread on the Tcl-Core list in which this > was discussed over the past couple of weeks. It is: > > [TCLCORE] TkAqua (Tcl, Tk on MacOS X) > > The first message on the SourceForge archive that I can find is: > > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=1990036 > > SourceForge's archiver seems to have dropped the initial message, > though the replies got stored okay. I also archive the list, > so if you > are interested I can send you a copy. > > I was glad to go through the formal process, but the Jeff - who is > acting as release master for 8.4 - asked if we could get it > in for the > 8.4.0 release which was fast approaching. Vince, Daniel and I are > pretty busy with our day jobs, and getting all the configury squared > away, making sure we didn't break anybody else, writing good > ChangeLogs(*), etc was going to take most of what time we had, so we > were in a bit of a quandry. We asked the Tcl Core list what > to do - in > the above mentioned thread. Very few folks from the team weighed in, > but those who did told me it was important to get the changes > into 8.4 > AND not to hold up the release. This lead to the decision to > check in > the code, and then file the TIP after the fact, which I did. > > Jim > > (*) Daniel did most of the heavy lifting, just to make sure proper > credit is given! > > On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 08:33 AM, John Ousterhout wrote: > > > In response to Jim's message: > > > >> TIP #108: SUMMARY OF CHANGES TO GENERIC TCL/TK CODE TO > ENABLE MAC OS > > X PORT > >> ============================================================== > > ... > >> The submission of the changes to generic Tcl/Tk necessary for the > >> Mac > > > >> OS X port was discussed on the Tcl Core mailing list. In light of > >> the > > > >> very minor changes to shared code involved, and to facilitate > > including > >> the port in the 8.4 release, it was decided that we would > not hold a > >> formal vote. This informational TIP is offered to > summarize the work > >> done, however, and to maintain a more complete record. > > > > I'm sure Jim had all the best intentions with this, and the changes > > may well be worthwhile, but frankly I think this approach is a very > > bad idea. Exactly who made the decision in "it was decided"? Is > > anyone on the TCT > > allowed to make a decision at any time that a particular > change needs > > to bypass the usual processes? Can anyone wait until the > last minute > > before a release and then dump their favorite changes into > the sources, > > bypassing the usual approvals? This seems like a slippery > slope to me. > > > > If the Mac changes are that important, then it ought to be > possible to > > make a relatively quick decision using the usual processes. > If that > > can't happen, then perhaps the release should be delayed a > day or two. > > By the way, if the changes are that important then why did you let > > them slip this late? > > > > I vote NO on this change as a matter of principle: either > get a real > > approval or take them out of the release. > > > > -John- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that > same old cell > > phone? Get a new here for FREE! > > https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 > > _______________________________________________ > > Tcl-Core mailing list > > Tcl...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-core > > > -- > Jim Ingham ji...@ap... > Developer Tools - gdb > Apple Computer > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same > old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! > https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1> &refcode1=vs3390 > > > _______________________________________________ > Tcl-Core mailing list > Tcl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/t> cl-core > |
