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[Super-tux-devel] Milestone 2 - OpenGL only(?)

[Marek M. <wa...@gm...>]

Hi everyone!
During yesterday's meeting, a vast majority voted for making SuperTux an 
OpenGL-only game. Doing so will enable us to make SuperTux look a lot 
better and provide additional features like custom resolution. On the 
other hand, it means that people without OpenGL-enabled hardware won't 
be able to play SuperTux anymore. This will probably only affect very 
few players, but I'd really like to see actual numbers. Can we have 
polls on the SuperTux website? If so, I suggest creating a poll to ask 
players wether they can play OpenGL games, so we can see how many people 
are affected. If not, we should think of another way to get some 
numbers; maybe the Fansite could help out there...? Although I am 
pro-OpenGL, we shouldn't do it if we'd loose too many players (i.e. 
 >20%) that way. Another thing I'd like to see numbers on is 
editor-usage (i.e. who is using flexlay and who uses the builtin editor).

    Marek

Re: [Super-tux-devel] Milestone 2 - OpenGL only(?)

[Christopher A. W. <cw...@du...>]

"Marek M." <wa...@gm...> writes:

> Hi everyone!
> During yesterday's meeting, a vast majority voted for making SuperTux
> an OpenGL-only game. Doing so will enable us to make SuperTux look a
> lot better and provide additional features like custom resolution. On
> the other hand, it means that people without OpenGL-enabled hardware
> won't be able to play SuperTux anymore. This will probably only affect
> very few players, but I'd really like to see actual numbers. Can we
> have polls on the SuperTux website? If so, I suggest creating a poll
> to ask players wether they can play OpenGL games, so we can see how
> many people are affected. If not, we should think of another way to
> get some numbers; maybe the Fansite could help out there...? Although
> I am pro-OpenGL, we shouldn't do it if we'd loose too many players
> (i.e. >20%) that way. Another thing I'd like to see numbers on is
> editor-usage (i.e. who is using flexlay and who uses the builtin
> editor).
>
>     Marek

A poll about what editor players use wouldn't necessarily give us the
data we want.  There are likely many users who have only used the
built-in editor because that's all they've known of.  They might
prefer Flexlay if they've had the chance to try it.

Flexlay is very good currently.  The only thing holding it back right
now is that you have to install the subversion of clanlib.  Many users
won't know how to do that.

Re: [Super-tux-devel] Milestone 2 - OpenGL only(?)

[Anthony M. A. <iqg...@as...>]

Hello,

As a user of SuperTux, I primarily use the OpenGL port, even though it 
does not work 100% (I mentioned on this list some time back that the 
characters and objects are semi-transparent), even with my 4+-year-old 
PowerBook G4 with an ATI Rage 128. Although I have contributed next to 
nothing for this project, perhaps a simple opinion from an end-user is 
welcome. If not, I do apologize. Anyways, I think everyone who has 
played this game and likes it, wants it to be the best it can be. If 
that means going OpenGL-only, I think most people, even the ones 
directly affected by this, would understand, especially since their 
next computer will almost certainly be able to support it. Just my 
$0.02.

On Apr 3, 2005, at 10:32 AM, Marek M. wrote:

>
> Hi everyone!
> During yesterday's meeting, a vast majority voted for making SuperTux 
> an OpenGL-only game. Doing so will enable us to make SuperTux look a 
> lot better and provide additional features like custom resolution. On 
> the other hand, it means that people without OpenGL-enabled hardware 
> won't be able to play SuperTux anymore. This will probably only affect 
> very few players, but I'd really like to see actual numbers. Can we 
> have polls on the SuperTux website? If so, I suggest creating a poll 
> to ask players wether they can play OpenGL games, so we can see how 
> many people are affected. If not, we should think of another way to 
> get some numbers; maybe the Fansite could help out there...? Although 
> I am pro-OpenGL, we shouldn't do it if we'd loose too many players 
> (i.e. >20%) that way. Another thing I'd like to see numbers on is 
> editor-usage (i.e. who is using flexlay and who uses the builtin 
> editor).
>
>    Marek
>
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Re: [Super-tux-devel] Milestone 2 - OpenGL only(?)

[Matze B. <ma...@br...>]

Am Sonntag, den 03.04.2005, 23:21 -0400 schrieb Anthony M. Agelastos:
> Hello,
> 
> As a user of SuperTux, I primarily use the OpenGL port, even though it 
> does not work 100% (I mentioned on this list some time back that the 
> characters and objects are semi-transparent), even with my 4+-year-old 
> PowerBook G4 with an ATI Rage 128. Although I have contributed next to 
> nothing for this project, perhaps a simple opinion from an end-user is 
> welcome. If not, I do apologize. Anyways, I think everyone who has 

This is exactly the type of feedback we need for this discussion.
Thanks.

Greetings,
	Matze

[Super-tux-devel] Penny < playable test images

[S.Groundwater <sl...@gl...>]

Here's a test Penny as seen in forest world:
http://gluebox.com/creatures/BlueRockz/penny_small_screenshot.png

The playable image tar is here:
http://gluebox.com/creatures/BlueRockz/penny_small_model.tar.gz

As always, feel free to bust on me w/comments and crits :)

S.Groundwater

Re: [Super-tux-devel] Milestone 2 - OpenGL only(?)

[Alex V. <al...@co...>]

I've never had much luck getting the OpenGL mode to work.

I'm running SuperTux under Ubuntu "Warty"  on an HP Pavilion zv5000 
laptop (1.6 GHz Athlon XP-M, 512MB RAM, nVidia GForce4 32MB). When I 
switch from SDL to OpenGL on the Options menu the screen goes black and 
stays that way. The game doesn't crash, but I can't "see" anything until 
I manual edit the ~/.supertux/config file back to SDL mode.

Personally, I wouldn't mind SuperTux being OpenGL only if I could get it 
working. But, on the other hand, I do think we'd lose a lot of players.

Anyone have a guess about my OpenGL problem? Other OpenGL apps seem to 
work fine...

Best Regards,
Alex :-)


Marek M. wrote:

>
> Hi everyone!
> During yesterday's meeting, a vast majority voted for making SuperTux 
> an OpenGL-only game. Doing so will enable us to make SuperTux look a 
> lot better and provide additional features like custom resolution. On 
> the other hand, it means that people without OpenGL-enabled hardware 
> won't be able to play SuperTux anymore. This will probably only affect 
> very few players, but I'd really like to see actual numbers. Can we 
> have polls on the SuperTux website? If so, I suggest creating a poll 
> to ask players wether they can play OpenGL games, so we can see how 
> many people are affected. If not, we should think of another way to 
> get some numbers; maybe the Fansite could help out there...? Although 
> I am pro-OpenGL, we shouldn't do it if we'd loose too many players 
> (i.e. >20%) that way. Another thing I'd like to see numbers on is 
> editor-usage (i.e. who is using flexlay and who uses the builtin editor).
>
>    Marek
>
>
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Re: [Super-tux-devel] Milestone 2 - OpenGL only(?)

[Matze B. <ma...@br...>]

Am Montag, den 04.04.2005, 13:19 -0500 schrieb Alex Vancina:
> I've never had much luck getting the OpenGL mode to work.
> 
> I'm running SuperTux under Ubuntu "Warty"  on an HP Pavilion zv5000 
> laptop (1.6 GHz Athlon XP-M, 512MB RAM, nVidia GForce4 32MB). When I 
> switch from SDL to OpenGL on the Options menu the screen goes black and 
> stays that way. The game doesn't crash, but I can't "see" anything until 
> I manual edit the ~/.supertux/config file back to SDL mode.
> 
> Personally, I wouldn't mind SuperTux being OpenGL only if I could get it 
> working. But, on the other hand, I do think we'd lose a lot of players.
> 
> Anyone have a guess about my OpenGL problem? Other OpenGL apps seem to 
> work fine...
Ubuntu is based on debian, and the opengl suppport in the debian package
has been messed up for some while by the packager. You can grab the
sourcecode and compile it yourself as a workaround. Or try if you can
get an updated debian package.

Greetings,
	Matze

Re: [Super-tux-devel] Milestone 2 - OpenGL only(?)

[Ilker S. O. <tux...@gm...>]

I've experienced that problem a few weeks ago.After installing the latest=
=20
driver of nvidia, it was solved and now i'm playing SuperTux with
OpenGL.Ithink you should update your display device drivers.

On Apr 4, 2005 9:19 PM, Alex Vancina <al...@co...> wrote:
>=20
> I've never had much luck getting the OpenGL mode to work.
>=20
> I'm running SuperTux under Ubuntu "Warty" on an HP Pavilion zv5000
> laptop (1.6 GHz Athlon XP-M, 512MB RAM, nVidia GForce4 32MB). When I
> switch from SDL to OpenGL on the Options menu the screen goes black and
> stays that way. The game doesn't crash, but I can't "see" anything until
> I manual edit the ~/.supertux/config file back to SDL mode.
>=20
> Personally, I wouldn't mind SuperTux being OpenGL only if I could get it
> working. But, on the other hand, I do think we'd lose a lot of players.
>=20
> Anyone have a guess about my OpenGL problem? Other OpenGL apps seem to
> work fine...
>=20
> Best Regards,
> Alex :-)
>=20
>=20
> Marek M. wrote:
>=20
> >
> > Hi everyone!
> > During yesterday's meeting, a vast majority voted for making SuperTux
> > an OpenGL-only game. Doing so will enable us to make SuperTux look a
> > lot better and provide additional features like custom resolution. On
> > the other hand, it means that people without OpenGL-enabled hardware
> > won't be able to play SuperTux anymore. This will probably only affect
> > very few players, but I'd really like to see actual numbers. Can we
> > have polls on the SuperTux website? If so, I suggest creating a poll
> > to ask players wether they can play OpenGL games, so we can see how
> > many people are affected. If not, we should think of another way to
> > get some numbers; maybe the Fansite could help out there...? Although
> > I am pro-OpenGL, we shouldn't do it if we'd loose too many players
> > (i.e. >20%) that way. Another thing I'd like to see numbers on is
> > editor-usage (i.e. who is using flexlay and who uses the builtin=20
> editor).
> >
> > Marek
> >
> >
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Re: [Super-tux-devel] Penny < playable test images

[Christopher A. W. <cw...@du...>]

"S.Groundwater" <sl...@gl...> writes:

> Here's a test Penny as seen in forest world:
> http://gluebox.com/creatures/BlueRockz/penny_small_screenshot.png
>
> The playable image tar is here:
> http://gluebox.com/creatures/BlueRockz/penny_small_model.tar.gz
>
> As always, feel free to bust on me w/comments and crits :)
>
> S.Groundwater


I guess I will leave it to others to leave their opinions, but I still
think this version of Penny looks too "cutesy" and clearly too SVG'd
for the drawn look we're going for.  However, I have to say that you
captured the jump effect quite well, and it does look remarkably
better than the earlier version you showed me.

As we've discussed in the meeting, I already produced a version of
Penny, which I will be making a sprite set of shortly:
http://lingocomic.com/gfx/goodies/supertux/penny2.png

(I've also been doing some experimenting with various poses... you can
see them here:)
http://lingocomic.com/gfx/goodies/supertux/pennysheetwip.png

While these are in no way the final product, I think that I am moving
toward a state where I'll feel comfortable drawing the actual sprites
soon.

If you do wish to work on the Penny sprites, your efforts could
probably be useful, but if they are done in SVG, they will have to be
a prototype, and not a final form.  Additionally, there are certain
characteristics of the version I drew (derived from one grumbel had
created for supertuxkart) which, at a group consensus, we agreed
should stay in place.  Try to keep the style of beak and body form
intact.  Maybe we can talk about this more on IRC later.

Re: [Super-tux-devel] Penny < playable test images

[Ingo R. <gr...@gm...>]

Christopher Allan Webber <cw...@du...> writes:

> I guess I will leave it to others to leave their opinions, but I
> still think this version of Penny looks too "cutesy" and clearly too
> SVG'd for the drawn look we're going for.

ACK far too cute, color is also way to pink-ish, should be more a mix
of purple and blue:

http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/supertuxkart/models/penny/pennykart1.png

> As we've discussed in the meeting, I already produced a version of
> Penny, which I will be making a sprite set of shortly:

Don't rush, there is no need for a game sprite at this point. We
havn't even finally decided if Penny should be playable at all and if,
if it will be in this Milestone. Let alone what actions she should
have and such. For the moment a bunch of artworks on how she should
look are much more important to get a feel for the character, a
gamesprite itself can follow quite a bit later.



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Re: [Super-tux-devel] Penny < playable test images

[Matze B. <ma...@br...>]

Am Montag, den 04.04.2005, 23:11 +0200 schrieb Ingo Ruhnke:
> Christopher Allan Webber <cw...@du...> writes:
> 
> > I guess I will leave it to others to leave their opinions, but I
> > still think this version of Penny looks too "cutesy" and clearly too
> > SVG'd for the drawn look we're going for.
> 
> ACK far too cute, color is also way to pink-ish, should be more a mix
> of purple and blue:
> 
> http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/supertuxkart/models/penny/pennykart1.png
> 
> > As we've discussed in the meeting, I already produced a version of
> > Penny, which I will be making a sprite set of shortly:
> 
> Don't rush, there is no need for a game sprite at this point. We
> havn't even finally decided if Penny should be playable at all and if,
> if it will be in this Milestone. Let alone what actions she should
> have and such. For the moment a bunch of artworks on how she should
> look are much more important to get a feel for the character, a
> gamesprite itself can follow quite a bit later.

Well a sprite for the intro cutscene would be usefull. But a sprite with
1 or 2 frames is probably enough for that.

Greetings,
	Matze

Re: [Super-tux-devel] Milestone 2 - OpenGL only(?)

[C R. <zra...@mi...>]

So far, we haven't used the OpenGL mode much because of transparency 
and mouse-direction switch bugs, however seeing the Milestone2 CVS 
makes me want to use it for speed boosts... I use it on Windows and Mac 
(haven't gotten it running on Linux or BeOS yet).

As for editor, I've only used the ingame editor as Flexlay does not 
work on my Mac (no clanlib support :( ) I would really like to see an 
ingame worldmap editor...

Ratchet

On Apr 3, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Marek M. wrote:

>
> Hi everyone!
> During yesterday's meeting, a vast majority voted for making SuperTux 
> an OpenGL-only game. Doing so will enable us to make SuperTux look a 
> lot better and provide additional features like custom resolution. On 
> the other hand, it means that people without OpenGL-enabled hardware 
> won't be able to play SuperTux anymore. This will probably only affect 
> very few players, but I'd really like to see actual numbers. Can we 
> have polls on the SuperTux website? If so, I suggest creating a poll 
> to ask players wether they can play OpenGL games, so we can see how 
> many people are affected. If not, we should think of another way to 
> get some numbers; maybe the Fansite could help out there...? Although 
> I am pro-OpenGL, we shouldn't do it if we'd loose too many players 
> (i.e. >20%) that way. Another thing I'd like to see numbers on is 
> editor-usage (i.e. who is using flexlay and who uses the builtin 
> editor).
>
>    Marek
>
>
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Re: [Super-tux-devel] Milestone 2 - OpenGL only(?)

[Ingo R. <gr...@gm...>]

C Ratchet <zra...@mi...> writes:

> So far, we haven't used the OpenGL mode much because of transparency
> and mouse-direction switch bugs, however seeing the Milestone2 CVS
> makes me want to use it for speed boosts... I use it on Windows and
> Mac (haven't gotten it running on Linux or BeOS yet).

The Mouse direction issue should be fixed in the latest SDL-CVS or
probally the latest release, at least I have seen some
patches/discussion happening about it on the SDL mailing list.

About the transparency, no idea, might be an endian issue, could you
make a screenshot of a situation that shows this problem?

> As for editor, I've only used the ingame editor as Flexlay does not
> work on my Mac (no clanlib support :( ) I would really like to see
> an ingame worldmap editor...

Latest ClanLib has Mac support, not sure how solid it is, but its
definitvly there.

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