Re: [Sserver-three-d] League discussion continued

[Sajjad H. <sh...@gm...>]

Dear Peter,

Thanks a lot for the clarifications.

Best regards,
Sajjad

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Peter Stone <ps...@cs...> wrote:

>
> Dear Sajjad,
>
> Yes, the issue of remote participation has indeed been discussed in the
> past.  The reason that it is not allowed, is that we feel strongly that
> the international event isn't just about running a team.  It's also
> about meeting people, exchanging ideas, and forming a community.  That
> can't happen if the programs are all run remotely.
>
> As a secondary issue, remote participation would add to the already
> large burden of the OC.
>
> We hope that teams that do not have funding to come to the international
> event can at least participate in a regional open competition that is
> closer to home, and some of which do allow remote participation.
>
>
> Regarding changes to the server, I agree that the sooner they are made,
> the better.  But we rely on volunteers (all of us!) to make the changes.
> The best way to make sure changes happen on time is to participate in
> the implementation.
>
> Specifically regarding the heterogeneous players, note that part of the
> point was to release the models only 1-2 weeks before the competition to
> encourage methods that are able to quickly develop low-level skills on
> new hardware.  The infrastructure is meant to be in place early, but the
> actual player models are late to arrive by design.
>
> Best,
>         Peter
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > Although I didn't mention this during my short talk but is there a
> possibility to allow remote participation? I am sure
> > that this must have been debated in the past and there must be some
> solid reason for not allowing remote participation. But
> > during IranOpen 2013 I interacted with several good teams who said that
> they won't be coming to Eindhoven due to lack of
> > funding.
> >
> >
> >
> > Secondly, the new rules and release of server should be finalized well
> before the competition date. Perhaps we can use
> > IranOpen/GermanOpen as the deadline for releasing all new stuff. Because
> when things are released only 1-2 weeks before the
> > World RoboCup, the chances of using them become very low (for instance,
> heterogeneous players).
> >
> >
> >
> > Finally, I totally agree with Sander on moving the code to
> github/bitbucket/etc. so that more people can contribute towards
> > server development.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Sajjad
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Klaus Dorer <[[
> kla...@hs...]]> wrote:
> >
> >           Hello all,
> >
> >      please find below the summary of the league discussion held in
> Eindhoven.
> >      Unfortunately I only started to take notes, when Sajjad's statement
> was
> >      already over. Sajjad, and all the others whom I probably cite too
> short
> >      here, and all that want to see progress in our league: please keep
> the
> >      discussion going. Based on your input the TC will then decide in
> >      September, what should be the next steps and the midterm strategy
> for
> >      our league.
> >
> >      Greetings
> >      Klaus
> >
> >      Nima
> >      - more passing
> >      - manage energy
> >
> >      Pat
> >      - more incentives for heterogeneous players
> >      - more research focus
> >      - foul model
> >
> >      Nuno
> >      - make it look more like real soccer
> >
> >      Peter
> >      - be open to new goals and ideas
> >      - encourage passing
> >      - add more advantage to heterogeneous players
> >      - make it mandatory, e.g. by only providing 5 standard Naos
> >      - ad hoc teamwork
> >      - investigate into Darpa Simulator (see separate email)
> >
> >      Sander
> >      - struggling with development -> move to e.g. github and centralize
> all code
> >      - make it easier for new programmers
> >      - see if we can get free work from other communities
> >
> >      Peter
> >      - send publications to Peter
> >      - try to publish work
> >      - read and cite other work from league
> >
> >      Daniel
> >      - strength of our league/simulator: we can change physical
> properties easily
> >      - we should be 10 years ahead in hardware design
> >      - think big with heterogeneous robots
> >      - do what other leagues can not do
> >
> >      Stefan
> >      - have a challenge to suggest new robot models
> >      - allow new joint models
> >
> >      Klaus
> >      (I was a bit busy taking notes and moderating, so my thought here
> now)
> >      - I think we should set ourselves as a next subgoal that we should
> be
> >      the first league that has running robots!
> >      It can not be that this is achieved in some other league before
> ours.
> >      Therefore the time horizon for this should be no longer than two
> years,
> >      better next year already.
> >      The way to get there smoothly is through heterogeneous robots / new
> or
> >      changed robot models.
> >      May be we need a turnable backbone. May be we need toes. Most
> likely we
> >      need stronger motors.
> >
> >
> >
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