sql-ledger-users — SQL-Ledger users

Re: [SL] Mailing list issue

[<sql...@li...>]

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, sql...@li... wrote:

> This mailing list has been crippled by making everyone
> 'sql...@li...'. How this is going to help
> sql-ledger?

   I think that "crippled" is too strong, but I strongly agree that each of
us should be identified as the sender of the messages posted on the list.
Since I've not followed this thread from the beginning I have no idea why
the change came about nor what it is supposed to achieve. There is no other
list to which I am (or have been) subscribe that hides the sender's name.

Rich

-- 
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.               |  Integrity            Credibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.        |            Innovation
<http://www.appl-ecosys.com>     Voice: 503-667-4517      Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: [SL] SMTP email server

[<sql...@li...>]

Hi

My email server requires authorization in order to send email.

How do I configure sql-ledger to do this?

Regards

Jason

Re: [SL] sql-ledger-users Digest, Vol 38, Issue 4

[<sql...@li...>]

It is even more subtle than that sometimes.  For example, since I am  
not a "real" Perl programmer, and I know little about accounting and  
nothing about Latex, my contributions here are generally limited to  
thinly veiled hints to buy Dieter's support package.  However, I have  
contributed both time and money to other OSS projects which some of  
the people on this list probably use, (possibly even Dieter  
himself!  :), so the circle can be closed in many different ways...


Thanks,

Michael


On Jul 14, 2009, at 1:24 AM, sql...@li...  
wrote:

How sad and what an indictment on us as Human beings if this the way  
we move
through life. We can never exist as individual entities and need each  
other
as much as the air we breathe. Putting aside the need for Sql-Ledger  
to earn
money for its creators for just a second, these lists have been part  
of a
community out there that encourages us to forge on against the tide of
Windows and its propriety packages that cost a fortune, never do exactly
what you want and leave you with a stone wall of bureaucracy and  
disinterest
if you want changes. Sql-Ledger (amongst other open source packages) has
been that breath of fresh air of what we should be about. Its not about
denying Dieter his rightful payback for Sql-Ledger but is rather about
making this world a better place. I dont know the first thing about
Computers (I can still remeber Dos and "Basic" programming language  
from my
early days of Study) Perl I thought was something that came out of  
the sea
and a Database is the filling cabinet in my office. I buy support from
Dieter via my IT guy... and is this not the way it should happen?  
Instead of
Paying Bill Gates a Fat Salary, that money passes through the correct  
hands
rewarding those at each step of the chain who add value. These lists  
for me
are what keep people like me believing in packages like this. I get
encouragement, enjoy robust debate, and it calms the fear in me of using
something I know nothing about knowing there is a community out there to
support and guide me and gives me imense satisfaction when I show all my
lemming friends using windows software just what you can achieve without
being bullied my MS. Finally I too must confess on the occasional  
times when
I see a post from a newcomer who is struggling with an operational  
issue to
be able to reply and help gives one tremendous satisfaction, knowing  
we can
make a difference. My request therefore is please dont loose sight of  
what
has been created here, lets make a robust debate like this work for  
us and
not destroy what has been created.

Just my 2c worth... Cheers Tim

Message: 20
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:44:04 +0200
From: sql...@li...
Subject: Re: [SL] Mailing list issue
To: sql...@li...
Message-ID:
        <eac...@ma...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Thought of the day: if I need a lawyers advice, it costs me. If I need a
plumber, it costs me. If I need medical care I do not expect that to be
free. Who are those people who give advice for free in forums? Are they
bonkers? Do they have too much money allready? Or is there something  
more
between heaven and earth than plain old moneybills?

2009/7/14 <sql...@li...>
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
------
Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will  
have
the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full  
prize
details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
_______________________________________________
sql-ledger-users mailing list
sql...@li...
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users

Re: [SL] sql-ledger-users Digest, Vol 38, Issue 4

[<sql...@li...>]

How sad and what an indictment on us as Human beings if this the way we move
through life. We can never exist as individual entities and need each other
as much as the air we breathe. Putting aside the need for Sql-Ledger to earn
money for its creators for just a second, these lists have been part of a
community out there that encourages us to forge on against the tide of
Windows and its propriety packages that cost a fortune, never do exactly
what you want and leave you with a stone wall of bureaucracy and disinterest
if you want changes. Sql-Ledger (amongst other open source packages) has
been that breath of fresh air of what we should be about. Its not about
denying Dieter his rightful payback for Sql-Ledger but is rather about
making this world a better place. I dont know the first thing about
Computers (I can still remeber Dos and "Basic" programming language from my
early days of Study) Perl I thought was something that came out of the sea
and a Database is the filling cabinet in my office. I buy support from
Dieter via my IT guy... and is this not the way it should happen? Instead of
Paying Bill Gates a Fat Salary, that money passes through the correct hands
rewarding those at each step of the chain who add value. These lists for me
are what keep people like me believing in packages like this. I get
encouragement, enjoy robust debate, and it calms the fear in me of using
something I know nothing about knowing there is a community out there to
support and guide me and gives me imense satisfaction when I show all my
lemming friends using windows software just what you can achieve without
being bullied my MS. Finally I too must confess on the occasional times when
I see a post from a newcomer who is struggling with an operational issue to
be able to reply and help gives one tremendous satisfaction, knowing we can
make a difference. My request therefore is please dont loose sight of what
has been created here, lets make a robust debate like this work for us and
not destroy what has been created.

Just my 2c worth... Cheers Tim

Message: 20
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:44:04 +0200
From: sql...@li...
Subject: Re: [SL] Mailing list issue
To: sql...@li...
Message-ID:
       <eac...@ma...>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Thought of the day: if I need a lawyers advice, it costs me. If I need a
plumber, it costs me. If I need medical care I do not expect that to be
free. Who are those people who give advice for free in forums? Are they
bonkers? Do they have too much money allready? Or is there something more
between heaven and earth than plain old moneybills?

2009/7/14 <sql...@li...>

Re: [SL] Mailing list issue

[<sql...@li...>]

I would say previews is a much better word.
    Look at products like RedHat, Zimbra, KnowledgeTree, Hyperic,  
Compiere, SugarCRM, Funambol etc etc etc.  All of them have an OSS  
suite which is fully functional, powerful enough to get a good feel  
for what the products really do, and are actually sufficient for a  
certain percentage of users.  The add-ons, however, are compelling  
enough for the folks with a budget to go ahead and pay for the full  
version.  Dieter does that to some extent through the manual and  
support packages, and some OSS companies are able to make do that  
way, but it's a marginal existence at best.  The non-OSS module  
approach appears to be the most successful business model so far,  
(anomalies like Mozilla not withstanding!  :).


Thanks,

Michael



On Jul 13, 2009, at 2:41 PM, sql...@li...  
wrote:

I would have to disagree there,

I like that business model. I used Open Office and liked it and when I
needed more functionality I was happy to purchase Star Office. The same
was true of PGAdmin III and several other apps I use on a daily basis.

I loaded SQL and played with it enough to know it would suite my needs
so I bought the manual and a years subscription. If I upgrade I will pay
for another year and get a new manual but for now 2.6.22 is working just
fine and I'm not one of those patch happy people that need to have the
latest version fully updated.

I think of them as previews not teasers.

Jeff Roberts


sql...@li... wrote:
> And those companies that use OSS as a 'teaser', arent playing by  
> the spirit,
> and personally id never do business with them.
>
> On Monday 13 July 2009 04:19:17 pm sql-ledger- 
> us...@li...
> wrote:
>
>> This is why most of the larger OSS companies have a free and open-
>> sourced version which has enough bells and whistles to be interesting
>> but they hold back some modules that their actual target market would
>> require in production.  (The source for these modules is usually
>> still available as well but for paid subscribers only and obviously
>> not re-distributable!)
>>     They really get the best of both worlds this way with OSS
>> developers on the "team" often contributing to the non-OSS modules as
>> well.  There have been a few cases where specific non-OSS modules
>> were recreated by external OSS developers, (a good example is
>> Zimbra's backup function or some of KnowledgeTree's document
>> importing tools), but for the most part it's a model that works very
>> well.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>


------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
------
Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will  
have
the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full  
prize
details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
_______________________________________________
sql-ledger-users mailing list
sql...@li...
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users

Re: [SL] Mailing list issue

[<sql...@li...>]

Paying for support to use in a business environment to minimize your exposure 
is far different to me then getting 1/2 an application.  Apparently it is for 
others too, as if you noticed OO now has a database component due to so many 
people requesting/needing it. 

I also buy purely closed commercial products when appropriate for the need, so 
dont get me wrong that im some 'i want it all and i want it free' sort of 
person. Its just when i see a 'look we are free, unless you really are going 
to use it' is just plain bunk and a bit morally questionable.

BTW and back OT, SL isn't one of the latter, you get all the current 
functionality upfront. ( unless i missed something all this time that is ) 
Personally I think the ( open ) communities future is at stake here with 
these discussions, not the actual application which is still there, free, and 
usable.. One shouldnt discount the open community.

On Monday 13 July 2009 05:41:14 pm sql...@li... 
wrote:
> I would have to disagree there,
>
> I like that business model. I used Open Office and liked it and when I
> needed more functionality I was happy to purchase Star Office. The same
> was true of PGAdmin III and several other apps I use on a daily basis.
>
> I loaded SQL and played with it enough to know it would suite my needs
> so I bought the manual and a years subscription. If I upgrade I will pay
> for another year and get a new manual but for now 2.6.22 is working just
> fine and I'm not one of those patch happy people that need to have the
> latest version fully updated.
>
> I think of them as previews not teasers.
>
> Jeff Roberts
>
> sql...@li... wrote:
> > And those companies that use OSS as a 'teaser', arent playing by the
> > spirit, and personally id never do business with them.
> >
> > On Monday 13 July 2009 04:19:17 pm sql...@li...
> >
> > wrote:
> >> This is why most of the larger OSS companies have a free and open-
> >> sourced version which has enough bells and whistles to be interesting
> >> but they hold back some modules that their actual target market would
> >> require in production.  (The source for these modules is usually
> >> still available as well but for paid subscribers only and obviously
> >> not re-distributable!)
> >>     They really get the best of both worlds this way with OSS
> >> developers on the "team" often contributing to the non-OSS modules as
> >> well.  There have been a few cases where specific non-OSS modules
> >> were recreated by external OSS developers, (a good example is
> >> Zimbra's backup function or some of KnowledgeTree's document
> >> importing tools), but for the most part it's a model that works very
> >> well.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Michael
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>--- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have
> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize
> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
> _______________________________________________
> sql-ledger-users mailing list
> sql...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users

Re: [SL] Mailing list issue

[<sql...@li...>]

I would have to disagree there,

I like that business model. I used Open Office and liked it and when I 
needed more functionality I was happy to purchase Star Office. The same 
was true of PGAdmin III and several other apps I use on a daily basis.

I loaded SQL and played with it enough to know it would suite my needs 
so I bought the manual and a years subscription. If I upgrade I will pay 
for another year and get a new manual but for now 2.6.22 is working just 
fine and I'm not one of those patch happy people that need to have the 
latest version fully updated.

I think of them as previews not teasers.

Jeff Roberts


sql...@li... wrote:
> And those companies that use OSS as a 'teaser', arent playing by the spirit, 
> and personally id never do business with them.
>
> On Monday 13 July 2009 04:19:17 pm sql...@li... 
> wrote:
>   
>> This is why most of the larger OSS companies have a free and open-
>> sourced version which has enough bells and whistles to be interesting
>> but they hold back some modules that their actual target market would
>> require in production.  (The source for these modules is usually
>> still available as well but for paid subscribers only and obviously
>> not re-distributable!)
>>     They really get the best of both worlds this way with OSS
>> developers on the "team" often contributing to the non-OSS modules as
>> well.  There have been a few cases where specific non-OSS modules
>> were recreated by external OSS developers, (a good example is
>> Zimbra's backup function or some of KnowledgeTree's document
>> importing tools), but for the most part it's a model that works very
>> well.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>     

Re: [SL] Mailing list issue

[<sql...@li...>]

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009, sql...@li... wrote:

> I can tell you right now that if Dieter closed the source again(!)
> then we are leaving permanently.  SL has it's advantages but Dieter
> has never allowed a developer community to grow around it and the
> package has suffered as a result.  "Many eyes make shallow bugs",

After ten years people are still using it, there is a good number of loyal 
users, only the disgruntled who don't get their way jump ship.

> isn't just an aphorism, and good quality code can be written a heck
> of a lot faster by one guy leading a team than one guy working
> alone!  And if the source is closed and Dieter gets hit by a bus then
> all of his customers are hosed.  That's not acceptable in any
> business environment and we sure as heck aren't going to take that risk!

Bull, you've got the sorce code. If I get hit by a bus all you loose is 
the brain behind SQL-Ledger. Now as you so elogantly put it I am in the 
way of progress anyway so wouldn't it be better if I do get hit by a bus?

DS

Re: [SL] Mailing list issue

[<sql...@li...>]

And those companies that use OSS as a 'teaser', arent playing by the spirit, 
and personally id never do business with them.

On Monday 13 July 2009 04:19:17 pm sql...@li... 
wrote:
> This is why most of the larger OSS companies have a free and open-
> sourced version which has enough bells and whistles to be interesting
> but they hold back some modules that their actual target market would
> require in production.  (The source for these modules is usually
> still available as well but for paid subscribers only and obviously
> not re-distributable!)
>     They really get the best of both worlds this way with OSS
> developers on the "team" often contributing to the non-OSS modules as
> well.  There have been a few cases where specific non-OSS modules
> were recreated by external OSS developers, (a good example is
> Zimbra's backup function or some of KnowledgeTree's document
> importing tools), but for the most part it's a model that works very
> well.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:12 AM, sql...@li...
> wrote:
>
> If a GPL violation was involved, i'm sure everyone would agree that
> using the
> legal system would have been more then appropriate.
>
> If there wasnt, well thats just part of the exposure of being open.
> It is a
> risk we all have to deal with.
>
> > Good luck!
> >
> > You think SQL-Ledger is unapproachable, you've got another thing
> > coming.
> >
> > Anytime there is just a slight annoyance some will jump the
> > conclusion and
> > figure its time to jump ship and use a fork.
> >
> > LX-ERP was forked back in 2003, at that time it was actually an
> > advanced
> > unreleased version of SQL-Ledger 2.2 The fork is based on V2.3 In
> > other
> > words Linet Service really screwed us when we did development work for
> > them.
> >
> > a) they got paid for the development from their customer, pretty
> > good I
> > would say
> > b) they took this newly developed version and created a fork, lx-erp
> > c) where is the GPL when you need it?
> >
> > Nice, eh?
> >
> > Dieter
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will
> have
> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full
> prize
> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
> _______________________________________________
> sql-ledger-users mailing list
> sql...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>--- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have
> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize
> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
> _______________________________________________
> sql-ledger-users mailing list
> sql...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users

Re: [SL] Mailing list issue

[<sql...@li...>]

This is why most of the larger OSS companies have a free and open- 
sourced version which has enough bells and whistles to be interesting  
but they hold back some modules that their actual target market would  
require in production.  (The source for these modules is usually  
still available as well but for paid subscribers only and obviously  
not re-distributable!)
    They really get the best of both worlds this way with OSS  
developers on the "team" often contributing to the non-OSS modules as  
well.  There have been a few cases where specific non-OSS modules  
were recreated by external OSS developers, (a good example is  
Zimbra's backup function or some of KnowledgeTree's document  
importing tools), but for the most part it's a model that works very  
well.


Thanks,

Michael



On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:12 AM, sql...@li...  
wrote:

If a GPL violation was involved, i'm sure everyone would agree that  
using the
legal system would have been more then appropriate.

If there wasnt, well thats just part of the exposure of being open.  
It is a
risk we all have to deal with.


> Good luck!
>
> You think SQL-Ledger is unapproachable, you've got another thing  
> coming.
>
> Anytime there is just a slight annoyance some will jump the  
> conclusion and
> figure its time to jump ship and use a fork.
>
> LX-ERP was forked back in 2003, at that time it was actually an  
> advanced
> unreleased version of SQL-Ledger 2.2 The fork is based on V2.3 In  
> other
> words Linet Service really screwed us when we did development work for
> them.
>
> a) they got paid for the development from their customer, pretty  
> good I
> would say
> b) they took this newly developed version and created a fork, lx-erp
> c) where is the GPL when you need it?
>
> Nice, eh?
>
> Dieter
>




------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
------
Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will  
have
the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full  
prize
details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
_______________________________________________
sql-ledger-users mailing list
sql...@li...
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users

Re: [SL] So is the open source really going away?

[<sql...@li...>]

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, sql...@li... wrote:

> While you are not required to release GPL code to the public (ie, you can
> send it to your client, but not actively provide a version that is
> publicly available), you can not prevent others from doing so.

   I've not read GPL3, but under GPL2 you do not need to release any changes
you make for your own use. However, if you distribute the changed version
then you must either distribute the source code with it or make it freely
available upon request.

> I would like to point out, that according to some while SQL-Ledger is
> released under an open source license, some argue that the development of
> it is not in the "spirit" of open source, and in that regard, some would
> say it really isn't a "true" open source project.

   Regardless, I've used SL for my business for quite a few years and it does
the job for me. I have some quibbles, but my accountant and I can work
around them. I'm quite happy that Dieter has continually produced and
supported this application and I encourage others to use and support it,
too.

Rich

-- 
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.               |  Integrity            Credibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.        |            Innovation
<http://www.appl-ecosys.com>     Voice: 503-667-4517      Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: [SL] Mailing list issue

[<sql...@li...>]

If a GPL violation was involved, i'm sure everyone would agree that using the 
legal system would have been more then appropriate. 

If there wasnt, well thats just part of the exposure of being open. It is a 
risk we all have to deal with.


> Good luck!
>
> You think SQL-Ledger is unapproachable, you've got another thing coming.
>
> Anytime there is just a slight annoyance some will jump the conclusion and
> figure its time to jump ship and use a fork.
>
> LX-ERP was forked back in 2003, at that time it was actually an advanced
> unreleased version of SQL-Ledger 2.2 The fork is based on V2.3 In other
> words Linet Service really screwed us when we did development work for
> them.
>
> a) they got paid for the development from their customer, pretty good I
> would say
> b) they took this newly developed version and created a fork, lx-erp
> c) where is the GPL when you need it?
>
> Nice, eh?
>
> Dieter
>

Re: [SL] Mailing list issue

[<sql...@li...>]

While i agree in principle what you are trying to accomplish, is it right to 
yank the curerent public 'secrets' there were contributed by the public?  

I can see your reasoning for creating a pay-only forum and you have all the 
right to do so, but removing *existing* disscussions and contributions isn't 
in good faith to the existing open community that has been supportive for 
years. ( personally i disagree on cutting off for future contributions, but 
thats just a personal feeling and not 'right or wrong' )

Even most closed source applications do have fully open forums out there, and 
i'm sure that as long as SL is Open ( and used ), there will be an 'open' 
community involvement, even if somewhere else..

As far as "incredible statements flying around", i think in this case most of 
the comments were based on hard facts from the webpage.  The few speculative 
parts were left up for today to be answered before anyone did anything rash.

Now that all the cards are on the table, so to speak, its time for people to 
make decisions on their future involvement.


On Monday 13 July 2009 12:45:04 pm sql...@li... 
wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, sql...@li... wrote:
> > Maybe a bit premature if it turns out all it takes is a rboot from the
> > sourceforge newsgroup database server? Has anybody contacted sourceforge
> > admins and asked what is going on?
>
> We are moving everything away from SF
>
> Open source means the code is open source but not what you do. Public
> platforms where all the secrets are on display does not make a good
> platform. Contrary to what many believe there is such a thing as
> competition amongst open source programs.
>
> > On another level, has anybvody asked Dieter? I see incredible statements
> > flying around without evidence, links or whatever.
> >
> > What happened to presumed innocent untill proven guilty?
>
> There is no such thing, most people will jump the conclusion and just
> assume.
>
> Dieter
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>--- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have
> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize
> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
> _______________________________________________
> sql-ledger-users mailing list
> sql...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users

Re: [SL] Mailing list issue

[<sql...@li...>]

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, sql...@li... wrote:

> Maybe a bit premature if it turns out all it takes is a rboot from the
> sourceforge newsgroup database server? Has anybody contacted sourceforge
> admins and asked what is going on?

We are moving everything away from SF

Open source means the code is open source but not what you do. Public 
platforms where all the secrets are on display does not make a good 
platform. Contrary to what many believe there is such a thing as 
competition amongst open source programs.

>
> On another level, has anybvody asked Dieter? I see incredible statements
> flying around without evidence, links or whatever.
>
> What happened to presumed innocent untill proven guilty?

There is no such thing, most people will jump the conclusion and just 
assume.

Dieter

Re: [SL] So is the open source really going away?

[<sql...@li...>]

I'm not sure what license it is using at this time.  If I'm not
mistaken it is GPL, and as such any derivative work by rights "must"
be licensed as GPL as well.  As this is written in Perl the source
*is* distributed when you distribute the software.  I would say that
this could be an issue if you were to try to pursue a "copyright
infringement" in regards to a derivative work of SQL-Ledger (A
non-public release of it).  While you are not required to release GPL
code to the public (ie, you can send it to your client, but not
actively provide a version that is publicly available), you can not
prevent others from doing so.

I would like to point out, that according to some while SQL-Ledger is
released under an open source license, some argue that the development
of it is not in the "spirit" of open source, and in that regard, some
would say it really isn't a "true" open source project.

Jigme Datse Rasku

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 9:28 AM, <sql...@li...> wrote:
> The source code was never closed, even when we briefly changed to a more
> protective open source licence. Public versions of SQL-Ledger will always
> remain open source.
>
> Dieter
>
>
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, sql...@li... wrote:
>
>> I've been reading the mailing list and it seems everyone is saying it
>> will stop. However I do not see any sort of mention of that anywhere.
>>
>> Where is everyone getting these rumors from? Just because the forums are
>> closed or gone doesn't mean it is closing IMO.
>>
>> Links to references or facts?
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
>> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
>> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have
>> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize
>> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
>> _______________________________________________
>> sql-ledger-users mailing list
>> sql...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users
>>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have
> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize
> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
> _______________________________________________
> sql-ledger-users mailing list
> sql...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users
>

Re: [SL] Mailing list issue

[<sql...@li...>]

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, sql...@li... wrote:

> Maybe lx-office.org could be an alternative. They forked SQL-Ledger a
> while ago. The development is not clandestine as in SQL-Ledger but
> available in a GIT repository. I'm sure they wouldn't mind some
> additional users and developers.

Good luck!

You think SQL-Ledger is unapproachable, you've got another thing coming.

Anytime there is just a slight annoyance some will jump the conclusion and 
figure its time to jump ship and use a fork.

LX-ERP was forked back in 2003, at that time it was actually an advanced 
unreleased version of SQL-Ledger 2.2 The fork is based on V2.3 In other 
words Linet Service really screwed us when we did development work for 
them.

a) they got paid for the development from their customer, pretty good I 
would say
b) they took this newly developed version and created a fork, lx-erp
c) where is the GPL when you need it?

Nice, eh?

Dieter

Re: [SL] So is the open source really going away?

[<sql...@li...>]

The source code was never closed, even when we briefly changed to a more 
protective open source licence. Public versions of SQL-Ledger will always 
remain open source.

Dieter


On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, sql...@li... wrote:

> I've been reading the mailing list and it seems everyone is saying it
> will stop. However I do not see any sort of mention of that anywhere.
>
> Where is everyone getting these rumors from? Just because the forums are
> closed or gone doesn't mean it is closing IMO.
>
> Links to references or facts?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have
> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize
> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
> _______________________________________________
> sql-ledger-users mailing list
> sql...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users
>

Re: [SL] How to apply a discount/credit given to a supplier order?

[<sql...@li...>]

Totally clear, and original advice still stands, especially with the  
profit difference apparently being a whole $25-$50.  Now if you were  
talking thousands or millions of dollars then of course it would be  
worth pursuing, but you'll be spending tens or even hundreds of  
dollars worth of your time to save literally just a couple dollars in  
taxes.  As far as reporting COGS etc, the fact is your COGS will  
actually be accurate(!), and the rest will even out over a fairly  
short period of time if you're doing any volume of business at all.
    Or, to put it another way, "don't worry about it".  :)


Thanks,

Michael



On Jul 12, 2009, at 9:15 PM, sql...@li...  
wrote:

Well its not $200 in profit. My COGS is $200. My profit might be only
$25-$50.
My question is how do I enter this whole "discount" that was given to me
without it affecting the cost of the products I purchased.

For example if I purchased the following:

item 1 = 50
item 2 = 25
item 3 = 10
item 4 = 50
item 5 = 65
credit = 50
subtotal = $200
after credit = $150

Of course I dont have an item called "credit" or what I am asking is how
do I enter that credit for $50.

I can of course pretend the price of all of the items is lower and
somehow make them total to $150, but thats not the right way since it
would affect my reports in COGS, profit, etc.

Say the following:

item 1 = 40
item 2 = 15
item 3 = 10
item 4 = 45
item 5 = 40
credit = will not enter it since we're dropping the price of everything.
subtotal = $150
total = $150

This will in a way solve the problem, but I really do not think this is
the correct way to approach the problem.

Am I making my point clear, or am I confusing you?


On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 20:59 -0700,
sql...@li... wrote:
> Technically, the credit belongs to the old entity.  But of course
> you've probably already closed the books, filed taxes etc. so...
>     Considering the only real impact is the tax etc on the $200
> "profit", I rather suspect you'll find that the value of your time,
> (or your accountant's), handling this the "right" way, far exceeds
> the minor additional expense in taxes if you just enter it in the
> system at the actual cost.
>     Just a thought.  :)
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2009, at 6:59 PM, sql...@li...
> wrote:
>
> I used to order from a this provider some products through a previous
> company account I had with them.
>
> I created a new entity and informed the supplier of this. Instead of
> them making me a new account on their end, they just renamed my old  
> one
> to keep the history and such.
>
> However in the previous company I had requested I get issued some  
> credit
> for some items that arrived bad. They apparently did a whole  
> inspection
> that took a while perhaps to get refunded from the manufacturer
> themselves. I had totally forgotten about this credit honestly.
>
> The other day I place an order and the representative told me he  
> finally
> applied that credit he owed me on my current order invoice.
>
> So now I am not sure how to input this in SL because it really isn't
> directly related to my new company.
>
> Should I do a GL transaction to adjust?
>
> For example the supplier invoice reads $200, but after the credit it's
> $150. So I do not just want put the cost of the items to be actually
> less when I create a vendor invoice, since that would just throw my
> profit off by a bit.
>
> What is the correct way to adjust this accordingly? If its a GL
> transaction, would I do this backward than traditional?
> ie. debit my bank account and credit the account for this item?
>
> If someone can suggest something I would appreciate it.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --
> ------
> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited  
> time,
> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will
> have
> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full
> prize
> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
> _______________________________________________
> sql-ledger-users mailing list
> sql...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> --------
> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited  
> time,
> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM)  
> will have
> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See  
> full prize
> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
> _______________________________________________
> sql-ledger-users mailing list
> sql...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
------
Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will  
have
the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full  
prize
details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
_______________________________________________
sql-ledger-users mailing list
sql...@li...
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users

Re: [SL] How to apply a discount/credit given to a supplier order?

[<sql...@li...>]

Well its not $200 in profit. My COGS is $200. My profit might be only
$25-$50. 
My question is how do I enter this whole "discount" that was given to me
without it affecting the cost of the products I purchased.

For example if I purchased the following:

item 1 = 50
item 2 = 25
item 3 = 10
item 4 = 50
item 5 = 65
credit = 50
subtotal = $200
after credit = $150

Of course I dont have an item called "credit" or what I am asking is how
do I enter that credit for $50.

I can of course pretend the price of all of the items is lower and
somehow make them total to $150, but thats not the right way since it
would affect my reports in COGS, profit, etc.

Say the following:

item 1 = 40
item 2 = 15
item 3 = 10
item 4 = 45
item 5 = 40
credit = will not enter it since we're dropping the price of everything.
subtotal = $150
total = $150

This will in a way solve the problem, but I really do not think this is
the correct way to approach the problem. 

Am I making my point clear, or am I confusing you?


On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 20:59 -0700,
sql...@li... wrote:
> Technically, the credit belongs to the old entity.  But of course  
> you've probably already closed the books, filed taxes etc. so...
>     Considering the only real impact is the tax etc on the $200  
> "profit", I rather suspect you'll find that the value of your time,  
> (or your accountant's), handling this the "right" way, far exceeds  
> the minor additional expense in taxes if you just enter it in the  
> system at the actual cost.
>     Just a thought.  :)
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> On Jul 12, 2009, at 6:59 PM, sql...@li...  
> wrote:
> 
> I used to order from a this provider some products through a previous
> company account I had with them.
> 
> I created a new entity and informed the supplier of this. Instead of
> them making me a new account on their end, they just renamed my old one
> to keep the history and such.
> 
> However in the previous company I had requested I get issued some credit
> for some items that arrived bad. They apparently did a whole inspection
> that took a while perhaps to get refunded from the manufacturer
> themselves. I had totally forgotten about this credit honestly.
> 
> The other day I place an order and the representative told me he finally
> applied that credit he owed me on my current order invoice.
> 
> So now I am not sure how to input this in SL because it really isn't
> directly related to my new company.
> 
> Should I do a GL transaction to adjust?
> 
> For example the supplier invoice reads $200, but after the credit it's
> $150. So I do not just want put the cost of the items to be actually
> less when I create a vendor invoice, since that would just throw my
> profit off by a bit.
> 
> What is the correct way to adjust this accordingly? If its a GL
> transaction, would I do this backward than traditional?
> ie. debit my bank account and credit the account for this item?
> 
> If someone can suggest something I would appreciate it.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> ------
> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will  
> have
> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full  
> prize
> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
> _______________________________________________
> sql-ledger-users mailing list
> sql...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge  
> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, 
> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have
> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize  
> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
> _______________________________________________
> sql-ledger-users mailing list
> sql...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users

Re: [SL] How to apply a discount/credit given to a supplier order?

[<sql...@li...>]

Indeed, Bank debit, income credit sounds valid.
It would mess up your COGS if you do not use a Gl transaction, also known as
Journal Entry.

If you allready have an account for discounts (given and or received) I
would use that.
Seeing the question, I rather suppose you do not. In that case, either use
income account (it is income, taxable at that now that I think of it) or
create a new account (received credits & bonus).

2009/7/13 <sql...@li...>

> I used to order from a this provider some products through a previous
> company account I had with them.
>
> I created a new entity and informed the supplier of this. Instead of
> them making me a new account on their end, they just renamed my old one
> to keep the history and such.
>
> However in the previous company I had requested I get issued some credit
> for some items that arrived bad. They apparently did a whole inspection
> that took a while perhaps to get refunded from the manufacturer
> themselves. I had totally forgotten about this credit honestly.
>
> The other day I place an order and the representative told me he finally
> applied that credit he owed me on my current order invoice.
>
> So now I am not sure how to input this in SL because it really isn't
> directly related to my new company.
>
> Should I do a GL transaction to adjust?
>
> For example the supplier invoice reads $200, but after the credit it's
> $150. So I do not just want put the cost of the items to be actually
> less when I create a vendor invoice, since that would just throw my
> profit off by a bit.
>
> What is the correct way to adjust this accordingly? If its a GL
> transaction, would I do this backward than traditional?
> ie. debit my bank account and credit the account for this item?
>
> If someone can suggest something I would appreciate it.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have
> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize
> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
> _______________________________________________
> sql-ledger-users mailing list
> sql...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users
>

Re: [SL] How to apply a discount/credit given to a supplier order?

[<sql...@li...>]

Technically, the credit belongs to the old entity.  But of course  
you've probably already closed the books, filed taxes etc. so...
    Considering the only real impact is the tax etc on the $200  
"profit", I rather suspect you'll find that the value of your time,  
(or your accountant's), handling this the "right" way, far exceeds  
the minor additional expense in taxes if you just enter it in the  
system at the actual cost.
    Just a thought.  :)


Thanks,

Michael


On Jul 12, 2009, at 6:59 PM, sql...@li...  
wrote:

I used to order from a this provider some products through a previous
company account I had with them.

I created a new entity and informed the supplier of this. Instead of
them making me a new account on their end, they just renamed my old one
to keep the history and such.

However in the previous company I had requested I get issued some credit
for some items that arrived bad. They apparently did a whole inspection
that took a while perhaps to get refunded from the manufacturer
themselves. I had totally forgotten about this credit honestly.

The other day I place an order and the representative told me he finally
applied that credit he owed me on my current order invoice.

So now I am not sure how to input this in SL because it really isn't
directly related to my new company.

Should I do a GL transaction to adjust?

For example the supplier invoice reads $200, but after the credit it's
$150. So I do not just want put the cost of the items to be actually
less when I create a vendor invoice, since that would just throw my
profit off by a bit.

What is the correct way to adjust this accordingly? If its a GL
transaction, would I do this backward than traditional?
ie. debit my bank account and credit the account for this item?

If someone can suggest something I would appreciate it.

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
------
Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will  
have
the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full  
prize
details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
_______________________________________________
sql-ledger-users mailing list
sql...@li...
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users

[SL] How to apply a discount/credit given to a supplier order?

[<sql...@li...>]

I used to order from a this provider some products through a previous
company account I had with them.

I created a new entity and informed the supplier of this. Instead of
them making me a new account on their end, they just renamed my old one
to keep the history and such.

However in the previous company I had requested I get issued some credit
for some items that arrived bad. They apparently did a whole inspection
that took a while perhaps to get refunded from the manufacturer
themselves. I had totally forgotten about this credit honestly.

The other day I place an order and the representative told me he finally
applied that credit he owed me on my current order invoice.

So now I am not sure how to input this in SL because it really isn't
directly related to my new company.

Should I do a GL transaction to adjust?

For example the supplier invoice reads $200, but after the credit it's
$150. So I do not just want put the cost of the items to be actually
less when I create a vendor invoice, since that would just throw my
profit off by a bit. 

What is the correct way to adjust this accordingly? If its a GL
transaction, would I do this backward than traditional? 
ie. debit my bank account and credit the account for this item?

If someone can suggest something I would appreciate it.

Re: [SL] Delete or reallocate Sales Orders

[<sql...@li...>]

You can just close it because it doesn't post to the G/L.

Br Nicholas

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 8:22 PM, <sql...@li...>wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I've accidentally created a sales order and would like to change the
> customer or delete it altogether but there is no save or delete buttons
> available. Is there a way to delete or change the customer?
> --
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge
> This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time,
> vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have
> the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize
> details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge
> _______________________________________________
> sql-ledger-users mailing list
> sql...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users
>
>


-- 
Br Nicholas Thirkettle OSB
St. Joseph's Monastery
Natchez, Mississippi

[SL] Delete or reallocate Sales Orders

[<sql...@li...>]

Hey,

I've accidentally created a sales order and would like to change the 
customer or delete it altogether but there is no save or delete buttons 
available. Is there a way to delete or change the customer?
-- 

Re: [SL] Mailing list issue

[<sql...@li...>]

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:35 PM, <sql...@li...> wrote:
>
> if it comes to that:   ziggy @ instaviewDOTcom when we find a place to put it
> ( dont want to email 1000 people the archive :) )
>
> Perhaps someone should just go ahead and setup a yahoo list or someting in the
> interim until things are sorted out? Nothing else it will be a place we can
> call home if the official list dissapears next.

I just tried to setup sql...@go... but somebody
beat me to the punch.  Anybody here do that?
--
Best Regards,
Wallace