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From: Andy D. <an...@ma...> - 2006-01-10 16:49:31
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I've noticed that the dev list has died down considerably over the last few months (it contains mostly automated messages now). Has the mail list moved or a new one opened somewhere? Just making sure I didn't miss something... - Andy |
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From: Alef A. <al...@in...> - 2006-01-10 22:56:20
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The Q&A is largely taking place on the forum (forum.springframework.org), which is what we originally intended since it provides a way better place to organize such information. As for discussions about the new developments for Spring 2.0, these have largely taken place offline; in Miami during the Spring Experience. regards, Alef Andy Depue wrote: > I've noticed that the dev list has died down considerably over the last few > months (it contains mostly automated messages now). Has the mail list moved > or a new one opened somewhere? Just making sure I didn't miss something... > > - Andy > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files > for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > -- Alef Arendsen Interface21 NL Spring Services from the Source http://www.interface21.com Spring Core Developer http://www.springframework.org Author, "Professional Java Development with the Spring Framework" (June 2005, with Rod Johnson, Juergen Hoeller, Colin Sampaleanu and Thomas Risberg) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764574833/ Interface21 NL B.V. Donker Curtiusstraat 7-400c 1051JL Amsterdam Phone: 020 486 20 36 Fax: 084 837 00 00 Mail: al...@in... Skype: aarendsen ************************************ DISCLAIMER ********************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. ********************************************************************* |
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From: Alin S. <al...@zi...> - 2006-01-11 14:43:58
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Is the any way that the forum can be setup to send emails to this mailing list or maybe different ones based on forum category?. I personally prefer mailing lists, is much easier to follow what's going on. Most of the modern email clients will display an popup window every-time you get an email, so I will know that somebody made a post. What I like the most though is that I can read the posts offline but that's just me. Regards, Alin On Jan 10, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Alef Arendsen wrote: > The Q&A is largely taking place on the forum > (forum.springframework.org), which is what we originally intended > since it provides a way better place to organize such information. > > As for discussions about the new developments for Spring 2.0, these > have largely taken place offline; in Miami during the Spring > Experience. > > regards, > Alef > > Andy Depue wrote: >> I've noticed that the dev list has died down considerably over the >> last few months (it contains mostly automated messages now). Has >> the mail list moved or a new one opened somewhere? Just making >> sure I didn't miss something... >> >> - Andy >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through >> log files >> for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes >> searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD >> SPLUNK! >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click >> _______________________________________________ >> Springframework-developer mailing list >> Spr...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework- >> developer >> > > > -- > Alef Arendsen > Interface21 NL > Spring Services from the Source > http://www.interface21.com > > Spring Core Developer > http://www.springframework.org > > Author, "Professional Java Development with the Spring Framework" > (June 2005, with Rod Johnson, Juergen Hoeller, Colin Sampaleanu and > Thomas Risberg) > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764574833/ > > Interface21 NL B.V. > Donker Curtiusstraat 7-400c > 1051JL Amsterdam > Phone: 020 486 20 36 > Fax: 084 837 00 00 > Mail: al...@in... > Skype: aarendsen > > > ************************************ DISCLAIMER ********************* > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom > they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please > notify the system manager. Please note that any views or opinions > presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not > necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient > should check this email and any attachments for the presence of > viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by > any virus transmitted by this email. > ********************************************************************* > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through > log files > for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD > SPLUNK! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer Alin Simionoiu ali...@zi... |
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From: <da...@da...> - 2006-01-11 15:01:49
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On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 09:43:48AM -0500, Alin Simionoiu wrote: > Is the any way that the forum can be setup to send emails to this =20 > mailing list or maybe different ones based on forum category?. >=20 > I personally prefer mailing lists, is much easier to follow what's =20 > going on. Most of the modern email clients will display an popup =20 > window every-time you get an email, so I will know that somebody made =20 > a post. >=20 > What I like the most though is that I can read the posts offline but =20 > that's just me. I agree about web forums being particularly poor places to catch up on discussions (particularly high volume ones) but I think an NNTP interface to the message store would be better than mailing lists. Web sites compare shockingly to a good mail/news client in terms of productivity. I can catch up on 10 usenet groups, each with a similar number of new posts, in significantly less time than it takes for a single web forum. I think Jive forums (IIRC) give you multi-protocol access to the threads. --=20 Darren Davison Public Key: 0xDD356B0D |
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From: Alexandru P. <the...@gm...> - 2006-01-11 15:08:38
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#: Alin Simionoiu changed the world a bit at a time by saying on 1/11/2006 4:43 PM :# > Is the any way that the forum can be setup to send emails to this > mailing list or maybe different ones based on forum category?. > > I personally prefer mailing lists, is much easier to follow what's > going on. Most of the modern email clients will display an popup > window every-time you get an email, so I will know that somebody made > a post. > > What I like the most though is that I can read the posts offline but > that's just me. > > Regards, > Alin > > No, it's not just you. I am pushing for the feature for more than an year, but till now with no results. Afaik the current forum toolkit is able to send messages to mailing lists, so I guess we should try to push this once again. As to clarify: imo I wouldn't need even to post from mailing list; just to see the forum posted messages. If I want to answer I can go there. thanks in advance for reconsidering this, ./alex -- .w( the_mindstorm )p. > On Jan 10, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Alef Arendsen wrote: > >> The Q&A is largely taking place on the forum >> (forum.springframework.org), which is what we originally intended >> since it provides a way better place to organize such information. >> >> As for discussions about the new developments for Spring 2.0, these >> have largely taken place offline; in Miami during the Spring >> Experience. >> >> regards, >> Alef >> >> Andy Depue wrote: >>> I've noticed that the dev list has died down considerably over the >>> last few months (it contains mostly automated messages now). Has >>> the mail list moved or a new one opened somewhere? Just making >>> sure I didn't miss something... >>> >>> - Andy >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through >>> log files >>> for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes >>> searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD >>> SPLUNK! >>> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Springframework-developer mailing list >>> Spr...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework- >>> developer >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alef Arendsen >> Interface21 NL >> Spring Services from the Source >> http://www.interface21.com >> >> Spring Core Developer >> http://www.springframework.org >> >> Author, "Professional Java Development with the Spring Framework" >> (June 2005, with Rod Johnson, Juergen Hoeller, Colin Sampaleanu and >> Thomas Risberg) >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764574833/ >> >> Interface21 NL B.V. >> Donker Curtiusstraat 7-400c >> 1051JL Amsterdam >> Phone: 020 486 20 36 >> Fax: 084 837 00 00 >> Mail: al...@in... >> Skype: aarendsen >> >> >> ************************************ DISCLAIMER ********************* >> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >> and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom >> they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please >> notify the system manager. Please note that any views or opinions >> presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not >> necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient >> should check this email and any attachments for the presence of >> viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by >> any virus transmitted by this email. >> ********************************************************************* >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through >> log files >> for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes >> searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD >> SPLUNK! >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click >> _______________________________________________ >> Springframework-developer mailing list >> Spr...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > Alin Simionoiu > ali...@zi... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files > for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > |
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From: Alin S. <al...@zi...> - 2006-01-11 15:38:12
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Some projects prefer mailing lists, some prefer forums, some prefer newsgroups (eclipse). What does not make sense to me is why not offer all of them?. It's obvious that the people that are following opensouce projects have their own preference how they want to interact with the community (I and you prefer mailing lists, darren that made another post on this thread prefers NNTP). I mean really, what the point of locking the project in a certain way?. Unless there is some reason for this that I'm not seeing. And yes, I will be happy too with only receiving the posted messages. Alin On Jan 11, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Alexandru Popescu wrote: > #: Alin Simionoiu changed the world a bit at a time by saying on > 1/11/2006 4:43 PM :# >> Is the any way that the forum can be setup to send emails to this >> mailing list or maybe different ones based on forum category?. >> I personally prefer mailing lists, is much easier to follow >> what's going on. Most of the modern email clients will display an >> popup window every-time you get an email, so I will know that >> somebody made a post. >> What I like the most though is that I can read the posts offline >> but that's just me. >> Regards, >> Alin > > No, it's not just you. I am pushing for the feature for more than > an year, but till now with no results. Afaik the current forum > toolkit is able to send messages to mailing lists, so I guess we > should try to push this once again. > > As to clarify: imo I wouldn't need even to post from mailing list; > just to see the forum posted messages. If I want to answer I can go > there. > > thanks in advance for reconsidering this, > > ./alex > -- > .w( the_mindstorm )p. > > >> On Jan 10, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Alef Arendsen wrote: >>> The Q&A is largely taking place on the forum >>> (forum.springframework.org), which is what we originally >>> intended since it provides a way better place to organize such >>> information. >>> >>> As for discussions about the new developments for Spring 2.0, >>> these have largely taken place offline; in Miami during the >>> Spring Experience. >>> >>> regards, >>> Alef >>> >>> Andy Depue wrote: >>>> I've noticed that the dev list has died down considerably over >>>> the last few months (it contains mostly automated messages >>>> now). Has the mail list moved or a new one opened somewhere? >>>> Just making sure I didn't miss something... >>>> >>>> - Andy >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep >>>> through log files >>>> for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that >>>> makes >>>> searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD >>>> SPLUNK! >>>> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Springframework-developer mailing list >>>> Spr...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework- >>>> developer >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alef Arendsen >>> Interface21 NL >>> Spring Services from the Source >>> http://www.interface21.com >>> >>> Spring Core Developer >>> http://www.springframework.org >>> >>> Author, "Professional Java Development with the Spring Framework" >>> (June 2005, with Rod Johnson, Juergen Hoeller, Colin Sampaleanu and >>> Thomas Risberg) >>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764574833/ >>> >>> Interface21 NL B.V. >>> Donker Curtiusstraat 7-400c >>> 1051JL Amsterdam >>> Phone: 020 486 20 36 >>> Fax: 084 837 00 00 >>> Mail: al...@in... >>> Skype: aarendsen >>> >>> >>> ************************************ DISCLAIMER >>> ********************* >>> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential >>> and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom >>> they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please >>> notify the system manager. Please note that any views or opinions >>> presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not >>> necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient >>> should check this email and any attachments for the presence of >>> viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by >>> any virus transmitted by this email. >>> ******************************************************************** >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep >>> through log files >>> for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes >>> searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD >>> SPLUNK! >>> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Springframework-developer mailing list >>> Spr...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework- >>> developer >> Alin Simionoiu >> ali...@zi... >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through >> log files >> for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes >> searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD >> SPLUNK! >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click >> _______________________________________________ >> Springframework-developer mailing list >> Spr...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework- >> developer > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through > log files > for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD > SPLUNK! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer Alin Simionoiu ali...@zi... |
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From: <da...@da...> - 2006-01-11 16:09:01
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On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:37:58AM -0500, Alin Simionoiu wrote: > What does not make sense to me is why not offer all of them?. > It's obvious that the people that are following opensouce projects =20 > have their own preference how they want to interact with the =20 > community (I and you prefer mailing lists, darren that made another =20 > post on this thread prefers NNTP). >=20 > I mean really, what the point of locking the project in a certain =20 > way?. Unless there is some reason for this that I'm not seeing. correct, which is why I made the distinction about providing an NNTP interface to a protocol agnostic message store. (guys, please trim excessive quoting) --=20 Darren Davison Public Key: 0xDD356B0D |
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From: Alexandru P. <the...@gm...> - 2006-01-13 00:23:21
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On 1/11/06, Alin Simionoiu <al...@zi...> wrote: > I mean really, what the point of locking the project in a certain > way?. Unless there is some reason for this that I'm not seeing. > after all this time, I am really starting to believe that there might be some reasons for not doing it. ./alex -- .w( the_mindstorm )p. |
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From: Colin S. <col...@ex...> - 2006-01-13 22:32:10
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On 1/11/2006 10:08 AM, Alexandru Popescu wrote: > #: Alin Simionoiu changed the world a bit at a time by saying on > 1/11/2006 4:43 PM :# >> Is the any way that the forum can be setup to send emails to this >> mailing list or maybe different ones based on forum category?. >> >> I personally prefer mailing lists, is much easier to follow what's >> going on. Most of the modern email clients will display an popup >> window every-time you get an email, so I will know that somebody >> made a post. >> >> What I like the most though is that I can read the posts offline but >> that's just me. > No, it's not just you. I am pushing for the feature for more than an > year, but till now with no results. Afaik the current forum toolkit is > able to send messages to mailing lists, so I guess we should try to > push this once again. > > As to clarify: imo I wouldn't need even to post from mailing list; > just to see the forum posted messages. If I want to answer I can go > there. > > thanks in advance for reconsidering this, Alex, We're trying to do what we can (and please hold off on the conspiracy theories as your subsequent message would seem to imply). It's just not as simple as just pushing a switch, or buying new software. We can't just throw away 30,000+ old posts in the forums. It's a gold mine of information. We used to run phpBB, which all in all was not a great piece of forum software for a number of reasons, just one of them being lack of mail or NNTP integration. So in Sept. 2005, we attempted to move to Jive Forums, which would have given us excellent forums, and also excellent mailing list and NNTP integration, but we couldn't convert the existing message base (nor really even the user base) properly. Throwing away old messages was simply not an option. So we switched to vBulletin instead, which at least is more secure than phpBB, has a _much_ better management story, seems to scale better, has better forum functionality in pretty well every respect, can at least send email digests of individual forums (if not full mail integration), and was able to convert all old posts and the user properly. The one issue in conversion was that old internal links remained in old format, and still don't work. That particular issue, we're paying a student to manually fix up. At this point I'm waiting for either this NNTP plugin for vBulletin http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=92588&page=1&pp=15 to actually put out a non-alpha released for vBulletin 3.5, or vBulletin itself to add NNTP (and/or full mail) integration. I presume the former will happen before the latter, since vBulletin 3.5 only came out in Sept. Colin |
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From: Alexandru P. <the...@gm...> - 2006-01-13 23:37:40
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Hi Colin! Thanks for reiterating this story once again. I am not trying any conspiracy theory, but I am just underlying that in more than 1.5years (maybe 2) I haven't seen any change to this request. In terms of loosing information, I guess a mailing list or NNTP is much better than a forum (but once again maybe it's just me). There are so many mailing lists backed by gmane f.e. and they haven't complained about loosing info. However, I have to agree that it is your decission, and I wouldn't try to get into it. cheers, ./alex -- .w( the_mindstorm )p. On 1/14/06, Colin Sampaleanu <col...@ex...> wrote: > On 1/11/2006 10:08 AM, Alexandru Popescu wrote: > > #: Alin Simionoiu changed the world a bit at a time by saying on > > 1/11/2006 4:43 PM :# > >> Is the any way that the forum can be setup to send emails to this > >> mailing list or maybe different ones based on forum category?. > >> > >> I personally prefer mailing lists, is much easier to follow what's > >> going on. Most of the modern email clients will display an popup > >> window every-time you get an email, so I will know that somebody > >> made a post. > >> > >> What I like the most though is that I can read the posts offline but > >> that's just me. > > No, it's not just you. I am pushing for the feature for more than an > > year, but till now with no results. Afaik the current forum toolkit is > > able to send messages to mailing lists, so I guess we should try to > > push this once again. > > > > As to clarify: imo I wouldn't need even to post from mailing list; > > just to see the forum posted messages. If I want to answer I can go > > there. > > > > thanks in advance for reconsidering this, > Alex, > > We're trying to do what we can (and please hold off on the conspiracy > theories as your subsequent message would seem to imply). It's just not > as simple as just pushing a switch, or buying new software. We can't > just throw away 30,000+ old posts in the forums. It's a gold mine of > information. > > We used to run phpBB, which all in all was not a great piece of forum > software for a number of reasons, just one of them being lack of mail or > NNTP integration. > > So in Sept. 2005, we attempted to move to Jive Forums, which would have > given us excellent forums, and also excellent mailing list and NNTP > integration, but we couldn't convert the existing message base (nor > really even the user base) properly. Throwing away old messages was > simply not an option. > > So we switched to vBulletin instead, which at least is more secure than > phpBB, has a _much_ better management story, seems to scale better, has > better forum functionality in pretty well every respect, can at least > send email digests of individual forums (if not full mail integration), > and was able to convert all old posts and the user properly. The one > issue in conversion was that old internal links remained in old format, > and still don't work. That particular issue, we're paying a student to > manually fix up. > > At this point I'm waiting for either this NNTP plugin for vBulletin > http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3D92588&page=3D1&pp=3D1= 5 > to actually put out a non-alpha released for vBulletin 3.5, or vBulletin > itself to add NNTP (and/or full mail) integration. I presume the former > will happen before the latter, since vBulletin 3.5 only came out in Sept. > > Colin > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log fi= les > for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes > searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D7637&alloc_id=3D16865&op=3Dclick > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > |
