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From: <tri...@tr...> - 2003-12-08 16:38:37
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All, There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to remove the link to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki itself. What do you all think, would you miss it? Thomas |
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From: Matthew E. P. <ma...@me...> - 2003-12-08 17:02:51
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Is the information on the wiki going to be moved somewhere else? Specifically, the tutorials (which are different from the main site) regarding Hibernate and AOP. Cheers, matthew On Dec 8, 2003, at 10:38 AM, tri...@tr... wrote: > All, > > There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to > remove the link > to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki > itself. What > do you all think, would you miss it? > > Thomas > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for > IBM's > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys > admin. > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: <tri...@tr...> - 2003-12-08 18:56:57
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Matthew, This is a good point. I just copied the following contributions and created corresponding html documents to be included on the website when we remove the wiki link. Spring AOP Framework Spring AOP with Hibernate Spring with Webwork1 Thomas Quoting "Matthew E. Porter" <ma...@me...>: > Is the information on the wiki going to be moved somewhere else? > Specifically, the tutorials (which are different from the main site) > regarding Hibernate and AOP. > > > Cheers, > matthew > > On Dec 8, 2003, at 10:38 AM, tri...@tr... wrote: > > > All, > > > > There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to > > remove the link > > to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki > > itself. What > > do you all think, would you miss it? > > > > Thomas > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for > > IBM's > > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys > > admin. > > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > |
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From: Matthew E. P. <ma...@me...> - 2003-12-08 19:11:45
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Thanks. These documents were good starting points for the Hibernate and AOP features (in addition to the stuff on Hibernate's website Juergen did). To date, my biggest problem with Spring is the lack of documentation so losing something that is good what be bad. Cheers, matthew On Dec 8, 2003, at 12:56 PM, tri...@tr... wrote: > Matthew, > > This is a good point. I just copied the following contributions and > created > corresponding html documents to be included on the website when we > remove the > wiki link. > > Spring AOP Framework > Spring AOP with Hibernate > Spring with Webwork1 > > Thomas > > > Quoting "Matthew E. Porter" <ma...@me...>: > >> Is the information on the wiki going to be moved somewhere else? >> Specifically, the tutorials (which are different from the main site) >> regarding Hibernate and AOP. >> >> >> Cheers, >> matthew >> >> On Dec 8, 2003, at 10:38 AM, tri...@tr... wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to >>> remove the link >>> to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki >>> itself. What >>> do you all think, would you miss it? >>> >>> Thomas >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. >>> Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for >>> IBM's >>> Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys >>> admin. >>> Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Springframework-developer mailing list >>> Spr...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework- >>> developer >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. >> Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for >> IBM's >> Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys >> admin. >> Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click >> _______________________________________________ >> Springframework-developer mailing list >> Spr...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for > IBM's > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys > admin. > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: <pr...@se...> - 2003-12-08 18:03:01
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+1 to toast it T Quoting tri...@tr...: > All, > > There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to remove the > link > to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki itself. > What > do you all think, would you miss it? > > Thomas > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > |
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From: Colin S. <col...@ex...> - 2003-12-08 18:24:13
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I don't have an issue with removing this incarnation of the wiki. To some extent though, I think the reasons people don't use it have to do with visibility and ease of use. End-users do seem to use the Hibernate wiki (which is also the web site) quite a bit, and I think that's because it _is_ the web site, and it's easy to add stuff without the CamelCase page names... tri...@tr... wrote: >All, > >There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to remove the link >to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki itself. What >do you all think, would you miss it? > >Thomas > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. >Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's >Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. >Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click >_______________________________________________ >Springframework-developer mailing list >Spr...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > |
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From: Mike Cannon-B. <mi...@at...> - 2003-12-08 22:24:18
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I agree - the OpenSymphony wiki has been invaluble in generating useful documentation and 'cookbook' style information from users, in less than 6 months it has truly become a very useful resource. If you're liking JIRA *g* we have another product coming up called Confluence which I'd be happy to host for Spring too. It's like a wiki but built on similar principles to JIRA (ease of use, inability to 'get things wrong', simplicity etc). It can export PDFs from collections of pages, so might be useful for documentation needs. Don't worry, no Camel Case unless you want to turn it on and the best part... it's built on Spring as one of the core components! :) Anyway - just an idea. +1 to get rid of the existing Wiki, but I think that having 'some sort' of wiki is a good idea, websites get static very quickly. In an Open Source project, Wiki's are a fantastic way to harness the community to generate documentation. Cheers, Mike On 9/12/03 5:16 AM, "Colin Sampaleanu" (col...@ex...) penned the words: > I don't have an issue with removing this incarnation of the wiki. To > some extent though, I think the reasons people don't use it have to do > with visibility and ease of use. End-users do seem to use the Hibernate > wiki (which is also the web site) quite a bit, and I think that's > because it _is_ the web site, and it's easy to add stuff without the > CamelCase page names... > > > tri...@tr... wrote: > >> All, >> >> There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to remove the >> link >> to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki itself. >> What >> do you all think, would you miss it? >> >> Thomas >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. >> Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's >> Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. >> Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click >> _______________________________________________ >> Springframework-developer mailing list >> Spr...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: <tri...@tr...> - 2003-12-08 22:35:02
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Well, that was unanimous 10-0 in favor - it is gone! There were three documents that I have added to the documentation page on the regular website. Confluence sounds like an interesting option. I agree that having an area for community contributions and documentation is very valuable - our current^H^H^H^H^H^H old wiki just wasn't the right format. Thomas Quoting Mike Cannon-Brookes <mi...@at...>: > I agree - the OpenSymphony wiki has been invaluble in generating useful > documentation and 'cookbook' style information from users, in less than 6 > months it has truly become a very useful resource. > > If you're liking JIRA *g* we have another product coming up called > Confluence which I'd be happy to host for Spring too. It's like a wiki but > built on similar principles to JIRA (ease of use, inability to 'get things > wrong', simplicity etc). It can export PDFs from collections of pages, so > might be useful for documentation needs. > > Don't worry, no Camel Case unless you want to turn it on and the best > part... it's built on Spring as one of the core components! :) > > Anyway - just an idea. +1 to get rid of the existing Wiki, but I think that > having 'some sort' of wiki is a good idea, websites get static very quickly. > In an Open Source project, Wiki's are a fantastic way to harness the > community to generate documentation. > > Cheers, > Mike > > On 9/12/03 5:16 AM, "Colin Sampaleanu" (col...@ex...) penned the words: > > > I don't have an issue with removing this incarnation of the wiki. To > > some extent though, I think the reasons people don't use it have to do > > with visibility and ease of use. End-users do seem to use the Hibernate > > wiki (which is also the web site) quite a bit, and I think that's > > because it _is_ the web site, and it's easy to add stuff without the > > CamelCase page names... > > > > > > tri...@tr... wrote: > > > >> All, > >> > >> There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to remove > the > >> link > >> to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki itself. > >> What > >> do you all think, would you miss it? > >> > >> Thomas > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > >> Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > >> Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > >> Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Springframework-developer mailing list > >> Spr...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > |
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From: Alef A. <al...@jt...> - 2003-12-08 22:46:28
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We've talked about this before some time ago, and as far I can recall, also came to the conclusion we needed something like coWiki or something. My guess is, that _if_ we are going to do something like that, we should have it ready before the 1.0 release (or just after it at the latest). Confluence sounds interesting indeed, but we've gotta be careful about a vendor lock-in :)). Ok, seriously now, my guess is that a lot of people will start using Spring after it's released and the infrastructure should be ready! ? Alef -----Original Message----- From: spr...@li... [mailto:spr...@li...] On Behalf Of tri...@tr... Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:35 PM To: spr...@li... Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Spring Wiki Well, that was unanimous 10-0 in favor - it is gone! There were three documents that I have added to the documentation page on the regular website. Confluence sounds like an interesting option. I agree that having an area for community contributions and documentation is very valuable - our current^H^H^H^H^H^H old wiki just wasn't the right format. Thomas Quoting Mike Cannon-Brookes <mi...@at...>: > I agree - the OpenSymphony wiki has been invaluble in generating > useful documentation and 'cookbook' style information from users, in > less than 6 months it has truly become a very useful resource. > > If you're liking JIRA *g* we have another product coming up called > Confluence which I'd be happy to host for Spring too. It's like a wiki > but built on similar principles to JIRA (ease of use, inability to > 'get things wrong', simplicity etc). It can export PDFs from > collections of pages, so might be useful for documentation needs. > > Don't worry, no Camel Case unless you want to turn it on and the best > part... it's built on Spring as one of the core components! :) > > Anyway - just an idea. +1 to get rid of the existing Wiki, but I think > that having 'some sort' of wiki is a good idea, websites get static > very quickly. In an Open Source project, Wiki's are a fantastic way to > harness the community to generate documentation. > > Cheers, > Mike > > On 9/12/03 5:16 AM, "Colin Sampaleanu" (col...@ex...) penned the > words: > > > I don't have an issue with removing this incarnation of the wiki. To > > some extent though, I think the reasons people don't use it have to > > do with visibility and ease of use. End-users do seem to use the > > Hibernate wiki (which is also the web site) quite a bit, and I think > > that's because it _is_ the web site, and it's easy to add stuff > > without the CamelCase page names... > > > > > > tri...@tr... wrote: > > > >> All, > >> > >> There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to > >> remove > the > >> link > >> to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki > >> itself. What do you all think, would you miss it? > >> > >> Thomas > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. Become an > >> expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > >> Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys > >> admin. Click now! > >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Springframework-developer mailing list > >> Spr...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. Become an > > expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's Free > > Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-develop > > er > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. Become an > expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's Free > Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click _______________________________________________ Springframework-developer mailing list Spr...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: Mike Cannon-B. <mi...@at...> - 2003-12-08 23:25:39
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I would have to say that we strongly do not believe in vendor lock in :) If you find a better product or one that suits your needs more, move to it. Delaying your move is surely only delaying the inevitable, we need to make our products better to succeed - not more painful to get away from. Both JIRA and Confluence have multiple export options as well as clean database schemas: - JIRA has a full XML export of all data, as well as built in Jelly tags which enable you to pull your data out easily - Confluence can export any page, space or everything as XML, PDF, HTML or (coming) text format. M On 9/12/03 9:46 AM, "Alef Arendsen" (al...@jt...) penned the words: > We've talked about this before some time ago, and as far I can recall, > also came to the conclusion we needed something like coWiki or > something. > > My guess is, that _if_ we are going to do something like that, we should > have it ready before the 1.0 release (or just after it at the latest). > Confluence sounds interesting indeed, but we've gotta be careful about a > vendor lock-in :)). Ok, seriously now, my guess is that a lot of people > will start using Spring after it's released and the infrastructure > should be ready! > > ? > > Alef > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spr...@li... > [mailto:spr...@li...] On Behalf > Of tri...@tr... > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:35 PM > To: spr...@li... > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Spring Wiki > > > Well, that was unanimous 10-0 in favor - it is gone! There were three > documents that I have added to the documentation page on the regular > website. > > Confluence sounds like an interesting option. I agree that having an > area for community contributions and documentation is very valuable - > our current^H^H^H^H^H^H old wiki just wasn't the right format. > > Thomas > > > Quoting Mike Cannon-Brookes <mi...@at...>: > >> I agree - the OpenSymphony wiki has been invaluble in generating >> useful documentation and 'cookbook' style information from users, in >> less than 6 months it has truly become a very useful resource. >> >> If you're liking JIRA *g* we have another product coming up called >> Confluence which I'd be happy to host for Spring too. It's like a wiki > >> but built on similar principles to JIRA (ease of use, inability to >> 'get things wrong', simplicity etc). It can export PDFs from >> collections of pages, so might be useful for documentation needs. >> >> Don't worry, no Camel Case unless you want to turn it on and the best >> part... it's built on Spring as one of the core components! :) >> >> Anyway - just an idea. +1 to get rid of the existing Wiki, but I think > >> that having 'some sort' of wiki is a good idea, websites get static >> very quickly. In an Open Source project, Wiki's are a fantastic way to > >> harness the community to generate documentation. >> >> Cheers, >> Mike >> >> On 9/12/03 5:16 AM, "Colin Sampaleanu" (col...@ex...) penned the >> words: >> >>> I don't have an issue with removing this incarnation of the wiki. To > >>> some extent though, I think the reasons people don't use it have to >>> do with visibility and ease of use. End-users do seem to use the >>> Hibernate wiki (which is also the web site) quite a bit, and I think > >>> that's because it _is_ the web site, and it's easy to add stuff >>> without the CamelCase page names... >>> >>> >>> tri...@tr... wrote: >>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to >>>> remove >> the >>>> link >>>> to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki >>>> itself. What do you all think, would you miss it? >>>> >>>> Thomas >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. Become an >>>> expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's >>>> Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys >>>> admin. Click now! >>>> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Springframework-developer mailing list >>>> Spr...@li... >>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. Become an >>> expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's Free > >>> Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > >>> Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Springframework-developer mailing list >>> Spr...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-develop >>> er >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. Become an >> expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's Free >> Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. >> Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click >> _______________________________________________ >> Springframework-developer mailing list >> Spr...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for > IBM's Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys > admin. Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: Alef A. <al...@jt...> - 2003-12-09 08:26:28
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Mike, I hope you weren't taken my remark about that vendor lock in seriously, were you ;-)... Alef -----Original Message----- From: spr...@li... [mailto:spr...@li...] On Behalf Of Mike Cannon-Brookes Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:26 AM To: Spring Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Spring Wiki I would have to say that we strongly do not believe in vendor lock in :) If you find a better product or one that suits your needs more, move to it. Delaying your move is surely only delaying the inevitable, we need to make our products better to succeed - not more painful to get away from. Both JIRA and Confluence have multiple export options as well as clean database schemas: - JIRA has a full XML export of all data, as well as built in Jelly tags which enable you to pull your data out easily - Confluence can export any page, space or everything as XML, PDF, HTML or (coming) text format. M On 9/12/03 9:46 AM, "Alef Arendsen" (al...@jt...) penned the words: > We've talked about this before some time ago, and as far I can recall, > also came to the conclusion we needed something like coWiki or > something. > > My guess is, that _if_ we are going to do something like that, we > should have it ready before the 1.0 release (or just after it at the > latest). Confluence sounds interesting indeed, but we've gotta be > careful about a vendor lock-in :)). Ok, seriously now, my guess is > that a lot of people will start using Spring after it's released and > the infrastructure should be ready! > > ? > > Alef > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spr...@li... > [mailto:spr...@li...] On > Behalf Of tri...@tr... > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 11:35 PM > To: spr...@li... > Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Spring Wiki > > > Well, that was unanimous 10-0 in favor - it is gone! There were three > documents that I have added to the documentation page on the regular > website. > > Confluence sounds like an interesting option. I agree that having an > area for community contributions and documentation is very valuable - > our current^H^H^H^H^H^H old wiki just wasn't the right format. > > Thomas > > > Quoting Mike Cannon-Brookes <mi...@at...>: > >> I agree - the OpenSymphony wiki has been invaluble in generating >> useful documentation and 'cookbook' style information from users, in >> less than 6 months it has truly become a very useful resource. >> >> If you're liking JIRA *g* we have another product coming up called >> Confluence which I'd be happy to host for Spring too. It's like a >> wiki > >> but built on similar principles to JIRA (ease of use, inability to >> 'get things wrong', simplicity etc). It can export PDFs from >> collections of pages, so might be useful for documentation needs. >> >> Don't worry, no Camel Case unless you want to turn it on and the best >> part... it's built on Spring as one of the core components! :) >> >> Anyway - just an idea. +1 to get rid of the existing Wiki, but I >> think > >> that having 'some sort' of wiki is a good idea, websites get static >> very quickly. In an Open Source project, Wiki's are a fantastic way >> to > >> harness the community to generate documentation. >> >> Cheers, >> Mike >> >> On 9/12/03 5:16 AM, "Colin Sampaleanu" (col...@ex...) penned the >> words: >> >>> I don't have an issue with removing this incarnation of the wiki. To > >>> some extent though, I think the reasons people don't use it have to >>> do with visibility and ease of use. End-users do seem to use the >>> Hibernate wiki (which is also the web site) quite a bit, and I think > >>> that's because it _is_ the web site, and it's easy to add stuff >>> without the CamelCase page names... >>> >>> >>> tri...@tr... wrote: >>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to >>>> remove >> the >>>> link >>>> to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki >>>> itself. What do you all think, would you miss it? >>>> >>>> Thomas >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. Become an >>>> expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's >>>> Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys >>>> admin. Click now! >>>> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Springframework-developer mailing list >>>> Spr...@li... >>>> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. Become an >>> expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's Free > >>> Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > >>> Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Springframework-developer mailing list >>> Spr...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-develop >>> er >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. 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From: Rod J. <rod...@in...> - 2003-12-09 09:21:07
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Mike Confluence sounds like an excellent option, especially as it's built on Spring! I think the problem with the old wiki was that it looked so unprofessional. I'm sure you guys can manage something much better. Regards, Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Cannon-Brookes" <mi...@at...> To: "Spring" <spr...@li...> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Springframework-developer] Spring Wiki > I agree - the OpenSymphony wiki has been invaluble in generating useful > documentation and 'cookbook' style information from users, in less than 6 > months it has truly become a very useful resource. > > If you're liking JIRA *g* we have another product coming up called > Confluence which I'd be happy to host for Spring too. It's like a wiki but > built on similar principles to JIRA (ease of use, inability to 'get things > wrong', simplicity etc). It can export PDFs from collections of pages, so > might be useful for documentation needs. > > Don't worry, no Camel Case unless you want to turn it on and the best > part... it's built on Spring as one of the core components! :) > > Anyway - just an idea. +1 to get rid of the existing Wiki, but I think that > having 'some sort' of wiki is a good idea, websites get static very quickly. > In an Open Source project, Wiki's are a fantastic way to harness the > community to generate documentation. > > Cheers, > Mike > > On 9/12/03 5:16 AM, "Colin Sampaleanu" (col...@ex...) penned the words: > > > I don't have an issue with removing this incarnation of the wiki. To > > some extent though, I think the reasons people don't use it have to do > > with visibility and ease of use. End-users do seem to use the Hibernate > > wiki (which is also the web site) quite a bit, and I think that's > > because it _is_ the web site, and it's easy to add stuff without the > > CamelCase page names... > > > > > > tri...@tr... wrote: > > > >> All, > >> > >> There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to remove the > >> link > >> to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki itself. > >> What > >> do you all think, would you miss it? > >> > >> Thomas > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > >> Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > >> Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > >> Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Springframework-developer mailing list > >> Spr...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign up for IBM's > Free Linux Tutorials. Learn everything from the bash shell to sys admin. > Click now! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1278&alloc_id=3371&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > |
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From: Darren D. <da...@da...> - 2003-12-08 19:55:01
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On Monday 08 December 2003 16:38, tri...@tr... wrote: > All, > > There is not a whole lot of activity on the wiki - I'd prefer to remove > the link to the wiki from the website and at some point turn off the wiki > itself. What do you all think, would you miss it? +1 to lose it. I think we're better off consolidating the places people go for support / discussion / documentation. It's too confusing at present. We still have (at least last week) people adding stuff to the sourceforge trackers for example - can we hide those too now that JIRA's running? -- Darren Davison Public Key: http://www.davison.uk.net/key.jsp |
