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From: Isabelle M. <isa...@me...> - 2003-06-10 18:11:46
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Hi Jean-Pierre, I wouldn't say it's a great opportunity, it's rather that or no job ... and the job market being what it is here ... :-( Anyway, I will really miss everyone and all the invigorating discussions. Good luck to you too, Isabelle On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:21:12PM +0200, JP Pawlak wrote: > Hi Isabelle, > > It's the worst news of the day. I'm very sorry. I was appreciating your > works and discussion. > I imagine it's a good opportunity for you despite of administrative > tasks. > > I will enjoy hearing from you in the future. > Good luck, Isabelle, > > Jean-Pierre > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : spr...@li... > [mailto:spr...@li...] De la > part de Isabelle Muszynski > Envoyé : lundi 9 juin 2003 14:30 > à: spr...@li... > Objet : [Springframework-developer] project > > Hi everyone, > > I apologize for my absence from the list these last 2 weeks, but I have > been traveling. I have been put in charge of a project in Germany, which > means I will be on the road constantly for the next 18 months. Under the > circumstances, I will not have any time to spend on the project. > Considering I won't be contributing anything, I feel it is only fair > that I should withdraw from the project. > > It's been exciting working with you guys, and I wish you the best of > luck. > > I will put the Latex source of the tutorial on my website, it should be > easy to convert to another format. > > Isabelle > > > -- > Isabelle Muszynski > Software Engineer > Zandweellaan 4 > 2660 Antwerpen > Belgium > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > Email: isa...@me... > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com |
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From: Isabelle M. <isa...@me...> - 2003-06-10 18:10:47
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Hi Thomas, Thanks for your wishes. I will miss the project very much, it was the highlight of my day being able to work on it. Good luck, Isabelle On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:02:54AM -0400, tri...@tr... wrote: > Isabelle, > > Sorry to hear you won't have time to work on Spring any more. I feel you made > some very valuable contributions. Hopefully we can all pick up where you left > off. I hope that, at some point in the future, you'll rejoin us. > > I wish you good luck with your new project. > > Thomas > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I apologize for my absence from the list these last 2 weeks, but I have been > > traveling. I have been put in charge of a project in Germany, which means I > > will be on the road constantly for the next 18 months. Under the > > circumstances, I will not have any time to spend on the project. Considering > > I won't be contributing anything, I feel it is only fair that I should > > withdraw from the project. > > > > It's been exciting working with you guys, and I wish you the best of luck. > > > > I will put the Latex source of the tutorial on my website, it should be easy > > to convert to another format. > > > > Isabelle > > > > > > -- > > Isabelle Muszynski > > Software Engineer > > Zandweellaan 4 > > 2660 Antwerpen > > Belgium > > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > > Email: isa...@me... > > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > Springframework-developer mailing list > > Spr...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com |
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From: JP P. <jp....@ti...> - 2003-06-10 12:21:07
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Hi Isabelle, It's the worst news of the day. I'm very sorry. I was appreciating your works and discussion.=20 I imagine it's a good opportunity for you despite of administrative tasks. I will enjoy hearing from you in the future. Good luck, Isabelle, Jean-Pierre -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: spr...@li... [mailto:spr...@li...] De la part de Isabelle Muszynski Envoy=E9=A0: lundi 9 juin 2003 14:30 =C0=A0: spr...@li... Objet=A0: [Springframework-developer] project Hi everyone, I apologize for my absence from the list these last 2 weeks, but I have been traveling. I have been put in charge of a project in Germany, which means I will be on the road constantly for the next 18 months. Under the circumstances, I will not have any time to spend on the project. Considering I won't be contributing anything, I feel it is only fair that I should withdraw from the project. It's been exciting working with you guys, and I wish you the best of luck. I will put the Latex source of the tutorial on my website, it should be easy to convert to another format. Isabelle --=20 Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. _______________________________________________ Springframework-developer mailing list Spr...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: <tri...@tr...> - 2003-06-10 04:03:01
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Isabelle, Sorry to hear you won't have time to work on Spring any more. I feel you made some very valuable contributions. Hopefully we can all pick up where you left off. I hope that, at some point in the future, you'll rejoin us. I wish you good luck with your new project. Thomas > Hi everyone, > > I apologize for my absence from the list these last 2 weeks, but I have been > traveling. I have been put in charge of a project in Germany, which means I > will be on the road constantly for the next 18 months. Under the > circumstances, I will not have any time to spend on the project. Considering > I won't be contributing anything, I feel it is only fair that I should > withdraw from the project. > > It's been exciting working with you guys, and I wish you the best of luck. > > I will put the Latex source of the tutorial on my website, it should be easy > to convert to another format. > > Isabelle > > > -- > Isabelle Muszynski > Software Engineer > Zandweellaan 4 > 2660 Antwerpen > Belgium > Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 > Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 > Email: isa...@me... > Website: www.meta-logix.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > |
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From: Ken K. <kk...@kk...> - 2003-06-10 02:57:14
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Isabelle, I am very sorry to see you go. Thanks much for the fine work you've done. I hope you find great success with your new project. Ken Krebs Isabelle Muszynski wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I apologize for my absence from the list these last 2 weeks, but I have been traveling. I have been put in charge of a project in Germany, which means I will be on the road constantly for the next 18 months. Under the circumstances, I will not have any time to spend on the project. Considering I won't be contributing anything, I feel it is only fair that I should withdraw from the project. > >It's been exciting working with you guys, and I wish you the best of luck. > >I will put the Latex source of the tutorial on my website, it should be easy to convert to another format. > >Isabelle > > > > |
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From: Tony F. <ton...@ya...> - 2003-06-10 02:00:26
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Yes Isabelle sorry to see you go. The group was lucky to have your contributions. You'll be missed. Best of luck on the new project! -----Original Message----- From: spr...@li... [mailto:spr...@li...] On Behalf Of Isabelle Muszynski Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 8:30 AM To: spr...@li... Subject: [Springframework-developer] project Hi everyone, I apologize for my absence from the list these last 2 weeks, but I have been traveling. I have been put in charge of a project in Germany, which means I will be on the road constantly for the next 18 months. Under the circumstances, I will not have any time to spend on the project. Considering I won't be contributing anything, I feel it is only fair that I should withdraw from the project. It's been exciting working with you guys, and I wish you the best of luck. I will put the Latex source of the tutorial on my website, it should be easy to convert to another format. Isabelle -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. _______________________________________________ Springframework-developer mailing list Spr...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer |
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From: Brett B. <br...@po...> - 2003-06-09 19:25:33
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Hi Isabelle I am sorry to hear that you're leaving the project. I have only chipped in now and again myself due to personal commitements and I wish I could spend more time here too. It's been obvious that your have contributed alot to this project and I am sure your efforts will be missed. Good luck for the future. Cheers Brett Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:29:37 +0200 From: Isabelle Muszynski <isa...@me...> To: spr...@li... Subject: [Springframework-developer] project Hi everyone, I apologize for my absence from the list these last 2 weeks, but I have been traveling. I have been put in charge of a project in Germany, which means I will be on the road constantly for the next 18 months. Under the circumstances, I will not have any time to spend on the project. Considering I won't be contributing anything, I feel it is only fair that I should withdraw from the project. It's been exciting working with you guys, and I wish you the best of luck. I will put the Latex source of the tutorial on my website, it should be easy to convert to another format. Isabelle |
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From: Rod J. <rod...@in...> - 2003-06-09 18:11:05
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> I agree with most if not all of your points. I definitely agree that getting > out a release and provide documentation should now be top priority, if we want > Spring to get a bigger following than it already has. > >> The framework field is getting crowded. A good argument for getting something out ASAP. I do hope to use my public profile to help give us an advantage over our rivals (TSS Symposium etc). But of course that will only go so far, and it's vital that we all spread the word. Regards, Rod |
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From: <tri...@tr...> - 2003-06-09 17:56:07
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Juergen, I agree with most if not all of your points. I definitely agree that getting out a release and provide documentation should now be top priority, if we want Spring to get a bigger following than it already has. I have not used iBatis, but I did read up a little bit about it and I did like some things. Two things that iBatis has that we don't, is support for caching and the query/mapping declarations in an XML descriptor instead of Java code. It would be nice if we could provide caching at some point. There is also a plug for "Axle" on the iBatis website. This seems to be Clinton's latest project. Axle - JSP-Like Tags, Easy Custom Tag Handlers, Front Controller, MVC, No Scriptlets! (http://www.ibatis.com/axle/axle.html). The framework field is getting crowded. --Thomas > One more conclusion: We need to get out a proper release prompty, to be able > to raise awareness. There are hardly any cleaner and slicker implementations > out there for the problems that we address, so we really don't need to hide > :-) Some competing solutions have quite nice docs though - we have to keep > improving in that area. > > BTW, the motivation behind my thoughts is to keep a clear third party > strategy: i.e. address the "integrate vs compete" question on a case-by-case > basis: > > - For areas like logging, connection pooling, O/R mapping, distributed > transactions, remoting, web views we've decided to adopt common solutions > like Log4J, container DataSources, Hibernate/JDO, JTA, > Hessian/Burlap/RMI/SOAP, JSP/JSTL/Velocity/etc. > > - On the other hand, we rather compete with Struts and WebWork (although it's > easy to use them instead of Spring's web MVC), and obviously with the iBATIS > Database Layer too. The nice thing is that for some other areas our solutions > are so unique that we don't have any actual competition :-) > > Juergen > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: jürgen höller [werk3AT] > Gesendet: Mo 09.06.2003 18:34 > An: spr...@li... > Cc: > Betreff: [Springframework-developer] iBATIS Database Layer > > > > Hi database access enthusiasts, > > Some of you might have followed some recent discussions on Clinton Begin's > "iBATIS Database Layer" (http://www.ibatis.com/common/common.html), e.g. on > TheServerSide and the Resin mailing list. I've just reviewed it, and I'd like > to share my thoughts on it. > > iBATIS Database layer originated in Clinton's JPetStore implementation, he > used it there in combination with Struts. It's now a separate open source > distribution, repeatedly pushed e.g. by Vic Cekvenich as a database access > solution for Struts web apps. Clinton himself labels it "A better way to > write JDBC" - we know that goal, don't we? ;-) > > iBATIS is somewhere inbetween our jdbc.object package and a full O/R mapping > tool. It maps symbolic names to SQL statements and parameter objects, using > manually specified SQL alias names for matching columns to bean properties. > Dependent objects can be loaded by delegating to a separate SQL statement. In > terms of the functionality offert, this is quite similar our jdbc.object > support, just declaring in XML instead of Java code. > > It lacks a lot compared to a full-fledged O/R mapper like Hibernate, e.g. an > object query language, lazy loading with configurable outer joins, dirty > detection and object transactions, cascading insert/update/delete, etc. It > does have configurable cache support, though. But in total, there's no reason > to provide a Spring integration for it like for Hibernate or JDO, as it isn't > really about O/R mapping. > > One interesting thing is iBATIS' pluggable DAO support: a DaoManager that > reads DAO configuration from an XML file, instantiating specified DAO > implementations (e.g. for generic SQL or optimized for Oracle) that implement > a Dao tag interface and throw generic DaoExceptions. There's even support for > pluggable DataSource factories, and for a pluggable DaoTransaction that needs > to get passed to every DAO method. Sounding familar again? ;-) > > Our DataAccessException hierarchy and abstract transaction management > support address the same issues. Although IMHO in a more elegant way: > leveraging the generic BeanFactory approach for instance configuration, using > implicit thread-bound transactions that don't need to get passed to methods, > providing a convenient template and an AOP interceptor for it. And we have > implementations for JTA + transaction container DataSources, a single JDBC > DataSource, a Hibernate SessionFactory, and a JDO PersistenceManagerFactory. > > One could say that Spring's relation to the iBATIS Database Layer is similar > to its relation to WebWork or Struts: Spring offers similar functionality > with differences in terms of modelling approach, but all of it integrated > into one coherent approach for all application layers - while still being > individually reusable. > > So it seems that we're on the right track: Some of the main design ideas > that we've adopted keep emerging in bits and pieces of various other > frameworks. Though in many cases for an isolated functionality domain, and > often not drawn through as consequently. > > Any thoughts, experiences, suggestions on this? > > Regards, > Juergen > > |
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From: <rod...@in...> - 2003-06-09 16:45:28
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<juergen> One could say that Spring's relation to the iBATIS Database Layer is similar to its relation to WebWork or Struts: Spring offers similar functionality with differences in terms of modelling approach, but all of it integrated into one coherent approach for all application layers - while still being individually reusable. </juergen> Yes, I think the idea of consistent configuration via JavaBeans and total pluggability via interfaces is so powerful that a lot of things just fall into place because Spring provides powerful support for it. I completely agree regarding iBATIS DB layer. I wasn't quite sure what it set out to do. I would rather use Spring or Hibernate (Spring+Hibernate, that is) and be clear on whether I wanted a better JDBC or true O/R mapping. They're quite different things. <juergen> So it seems that we're on the right track: Some of the main design ideas that we've adopted keep emerging in bits and pieces of various other frameworks. Though in many cases for an isolated functionality domain, and often not drawn through as consequently. </juergen> Well put. I think a lot of people are thinking the same way: for example, I just read http://www.freeroller.net/page/ceperez today ("Proliferation of Java Microkernels and Extinction of J2EE Containers"). I think Spring has a unique value proposition in how it pulls everything into the one overall picture, while remaining lightweight (compared to things like JBoss AOP, which needs total control of the classloader, even in standalone form). It's vital that we sell that value proposition vigorously. When we release we must do our best to get traction in the community...just having a great technology isn't enough, without the marketing behind it. Btw, I think we definitely need a feature lockdown for 0.9. Necessary refactoring, bug fixing, yes, but no new areas to conquer. Spring is big enough for the near future; we need to tidy up and start selling it. Regards, Rod |
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From: <jue...@we...> - 2003-06-09 16:32:53
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From: Isabelle M. <isa...@me...> - 2003-06-09 15:11:24
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Hi Juergen, Well, I'll be following the mailing list, and of course if I have any useful input I will give it. yep, it's a pretty big project, 15 man year. the worst of it is, that as I climb the hierarchy, my job is getting less and less technical and more and more administrative. and i hate paper pushing. Isabelle On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 04:45:32PM +0200, jürgen höller [werk3AT] wrote: > Isabelle, > > I'm sorry to hear that too. I've really appreciated all your contributions and feedback. You're very welcome to stay involved whenever you can, no matter to what little extent. > > Anyway, the best of luck for your project in Germany! 18 months... sounds like a major effort that will keep you pretty busy for a while :-) > > Best regards, > Juergen > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: rod...@in... [mailto:rod...@in...] > Gesendet: Mo 09.06.2003 16:20 > An: Isabelle Muszynski > Cc: spr...@li... > Betreff: Re: [Springframework-developer] project > > > > Dear Isabelle, > > Sorry to hear that you won't have time to continue to > contribute to Spring. You've made a great contribution so > far, in coding and discussion as well as all your hard work > on the tutorial. Your professionalism and commitment has been > much appreciated! > > Your new role sounds like an excellent opportunity--all the > best for the future. > > Needless to say, we'd love to have you continue to be > involved if you *do* have any time in the future. And even if > you don't have time for hands-on work, your suggestions will > always be welcome. > > Many thanks, > Rod > > ----------- > I apologize for my absence from the list these last 2 weeks, > but I have been traveling. I have been put in charge of a > project in Germany, which means I will be on the road > constantly for the next 18 months. Under the circumstances, I > will not have any time to spend on the project. Considering I > won't be contributing anything, I feel it is only fair that I > should withdraw from the project. > > It's been exciting working with you guys, and I wish you the > best of luck. > > I will put the Latex source of the tutorial on my website, it > should be easy to convert to another format. > > Isabelle > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Springframework-developer mailing list > Spr...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/springframework-developer > > -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com |
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From: <rod...@in...> - 2003-06-09 14:54:02
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<juergen> Finally, regarding package structure: I suggest to move specific AOP interceptor implementations to the respective "functionality domain" packages, i.e.: - the EJB interceptors to com.interface21.ejb.access; - the transaction interceptor to com.interface21.transaction.aop; - the Hibernate/JDO interceptors to com.interface21.orm.hibernate/jdo This would allow us to keep the package dependencies clear, especially at the com.interface21 level. I consider com.interface21.aop a basic package that should just provide the AOP support infrastructure. Higher-level ones like com.interface21.orm should depend on aop but not vice versa, IMO. This way, classes related to a certain functionality domain or third-party tool can stay in one well-defined package (or package tree), instead of being spread across the project. </juergen> I've wondered about that myself. I'm happy with the proposed refactoring. It makes sense as now DataSourceUtils etc. depend on AOP. Regards, Rod |
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From: <jue...@we...> - 2003-06-09 14:43:21
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From: Isabelle M. <isa...@me...> - 2003-06-09 14:42:07
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Hi Rod, It's been a lot of fun working on the project. My feeling is that Spring is going to be a big success, considering the level of professionalism and expertise of the people involved. I very much regret having to withdraw, but I'd hate being a parasite on the project. I will be following the evolution of Spring closely of course, and I very much hope to be able to work on a project using Spring at some point. Isabelle On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 10:20:26AM -0400, rod...@in... wrote: > Dear Isabelle, > > Sorry to hear that you won't have time to continue to > contribute to Spring. You've made a great contribution so > far, in coding and discussion as well as all your hard work > on the tutorial. Your professionalism and commitment has been > much appreciated! > > Your new role sounds like an excellent opportunity--all the > best for the future. > > Needless to say, we'd love to have you continue to be > involved if you *do* have any time in the future. And even if > you don't have time for hands-on work, your suggestions will > always be welcome. > > Many thanks, > Rod > > ----------- > I apologize for my absence from the list these last 2 weeks, > but I have been traveling. I have been put in charge of a > project in Germany, which means I will be on the road > constantly for the next 18 months. Under the circumstances, I > will not have any time to spend on the project. Considering I > won't be contributing anything, I feel it is only fair that I > should withdraw from the project. > > It's been exciting working with you guys, and I wish you the > best of luck. > > I will put the Latex source of the tutorial on my website, it > should be easy to convert to another format. > > Isabelle > > -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com |
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From: <rod...@in...> - 2003-06-09 14:20:30
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Dear Isabelle, Sorry to hear that you won't have time to continue to contribute to Spring. You've made a great contribution so far, in coding and discussion as well as all your hard work on the tutorial. Your professionalism and commitment has been much appreciated! Your new role sounds like an excellent opportunity--all the best for the future. Needless to say, we'd love to have you continue to be involved if you *do* have any time in the future. And even if you don't have time for hands-on work, your suggestions will always be welcome. Many thanks, Rod ----------- I apologize for my absence from the list these last 2 weeks, but I have been traveling. I have been put in charge of a project in Germany, which means I will be on the road constantly for the next 18 months. Under the circumstances, I will not have any time to spend on the project. Considering I won't be contributing anything, I feel it is only fair that I should withdraw from the project. It's been exciting working with you guys, and I wish you the best of luck. I will put the Latex source of the tutorial on my website, it should be easy to convert to another format. Isabelle |
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From: Isabelle M. <isa...@me...> - 2003-06-09 12:29:39
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Hi everyone, I apologize for my absence from the list these last 2 weeks, but I have been traveling. I have been put in charge of a project in Germany, which means I will be on the road constantly for the next 18 months. Under the circumstances, I will not have any time to spend on the project. Considering I won't be contributing anything, I feel it is only fair that I should withdraw from the project. It's been exciting working with you guys, and I wish you the best of luck. I will put the Latex source of the tutorial on my website, it should be easy to convert to another format. Isabelle -- Isabelle Muszynski Software Engineer Zandweellaan 4 2660 Antwerpen Belgium Tel. 32-(0)3-830 18 54 Mobile: 32-(0)485 49 50 89 Email: isa...@me... Website: www.meta-logix.com |
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From: Kopylenko, D. <dko...@ac...> - 2003-06-09 12:21:19
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<Thoughts? I'm inclined to agree with Jon about the standardization benefits, but I must admit I find the "J2EE-centric" interceptor terminology clearer. I'm try to canvas opinion on this ASAP.> Indeed the current terminology is clearer. I would prefer we'd stick with "interceptor centric" terminology. Regards, Dmitriy. |
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From: Rod J. <rod...@in...> - 2003-06-08 18:30:41
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> All things considered, a JDO or Hibernate interceptor can be used as an alternative to the respective template. Additionally specifying a TransactionInterceptor makes sense in almost every case. The JDO or Hibernate interceptor only adds actual value when used with JTA though, as the specific JDO or Hibernate transaction manager performs the required thread-binding anyway. It doesn't interfere though if still specified, provided that it properly checks for an existing thread-bound PM instance for the given factory. > Such interceptors for JDO and Hibernate should be pretty easy to implement. Effectively, the mechanism is a very simple delegation to PersistenceManagerFactoryUtils resp. SessionFactoryUtils: check for a thread-bound PersistenceManager resp. Session instance, open and bind a new one if necessary, call the business object method, unbind and close the instance afterwards if necessary. > After all that analyzing, I volunteer to develop the interceptors if you don't mind - I guess I'll be able to provide them at the end of next week, at the latest... So if there are some issues that I've missed, let's discuss them promptly. Generally, I consider appropriate best practices very important, especially in the fields of persistence. Thus, let's try to clarify all options and their value in various scenarios. I hope this, ehm, essay helps ;-) This summarizes my thinking on this. I certainly have no objection to you developing the interceptors! I have to start on my ServerSide Symposium talks this coming week, so I won't have much coding time. Regards, |
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From: <tri...@tr...> - 2003-06-08 14:06:24
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Jurgen, > > Thomas, how far is your StoredProcedure effort? If you're close to ready, we > could already include it in the upcoming June release. > I have been short on time recently so this feature is not as far along as I would have hoped. I could have something in 2-3 weeks that I would prefer to have someone test, before it is later included in an official release. I will be doing some work with SOAP/AXIS and JMS the next couple of weeks and I will use some Spring functionlity for this project. This would be a good opportunity to test/develop some of the SOAP and JMS features. --Thomas |
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From: Rod J. <rod...@in...> - 2003-06-08 10:10:54
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<quote> >What do you intend the interceptors for? Demarcating transactions via binding a Session resp. PersistenceManager to the thread is already possible via the TransactionInterceptor, if the correct transaction manager is used in combination with SessionFactoryUtils resp. PersistenceManagerFactoryUtils, or the templates that use the latter underneath. A Hibernate Session even binds to the thread on first usage within a JTA transaction, to enable afterCompletion synchronization. I can't really think of any other benefits that additional interceptors might offer, so I'm curious... </quote> Interceptor simply to make available a PersistenceManager and ensure it's closed in all cases. I find the try/catch/finally thing a pain with JDO. I was talking to Robin Roos recently (author of the first JDO book) and he's used servlet filters for this previously, but thought the AOP approach sounded good. So as with transactions, the callback (template) approach is great in many cases, but it's also nice to have a declarative alternative. E.g. business object provides a protected getPersistenceManager() method. The default implementation uses the Spring AOP API to get this from the invocation. It's easy to override this at test time or to use the class outside an AOP context. Regards, Rod |
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From: <jue...@we...> - 2003-06-08 09:11:29
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